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STR Closed Due Overrun  
User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2832 times:

German radio reports that STR had to close its single runway caused by a passenger plane which has overrun the eastern end of the runway.
Has anyone more information?


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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2799 times:

The airport website reports that a Embraer 145 from Flybe is blocking the eastern end of the runway.
Runway still closed.

Seems that link is only available in German:

http://www.stuttgart-airport.com/sys...index.php?section_id=8&id=1&lang=1



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2988 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2687 times:

BE7125 from BHX.

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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

From the link in reply #1:
The airport was closed from 1530h thru 1720h.
4 flights heading for STR diverted (no details).
Departures were halted, as there was no runway available.

15 pax were on board. No injuries. No word on evacuation.
"Upon landing, the jet rolled all the way to the end of the runway." --> There is no indication, if it stopped still on tarmac / concrete or touched grass.

Runway length at STR: 10974 ft / 3345 m. Quite an effort to overshoot this with no winds but winterly conditions (snow).

Instantly reminded my of a BA Regional E145 overshooting one of HAJ's runways in May 2005 duing rain, having touched down half way down the 7677ft-runway.
The lack of thrust reversers on that very a/c had contributed to that overshooting back then.
-HT

[Edited 2009-01-05 09:17:01]


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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Hi Holger,

thanks for the translation.

Instantly reminded my of a BA Regional E145 overshooting one of HAJ's runways in May 2005 duing rain, having touched down half way down the 7677ft-runway.
The lack of thrust reversers on that very a/c had contributed to that overshooting back then.

Reminds me even to an LX incident which occurred as well in STR a few years ago.
It was even an E 145 as I remember, and the aircraft struggled to come to a stop caused by the lack of thrust reversers.

All those incidents let me to think:
How save are those Embraers which got not equipped with thrust reservers?

Kind regards,

Patrick



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Hi Patrick,

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 4):
All those incidents let me to think:
How save are those Embraers which got not equipped with thrust reservers?

In general, the runway surface is required to offer enough friction to support an aircraft to slow down on braking power via the wheels only. Add to that "spoilers" as a second source to slow the a/c down (but working above a certain speed only)

Using reverse thrust is supposed to be an extra source of deceleration power, only.

I have had a closer look onto STR's runway 07.
There is a highspeed turnoff about 500 meters from the end.
But the report indicated that the a/c moved (= taxied or moved uncontrolled ? ) all the way to the end of the runway. Over there, the a/c needs to make a rather sharp 90 degree left turn.
And, if (speculation !) exactly and only this stretch of the runway was iced over, this could have caught the pilot by surprise, thus leading to the a/c being unable to make the turn as sharp as necessary --> rolling into adjacent grass resp. snow.

Hopefully we will get some pictures showing the exact position of the a/c off the runway / taxiway. With this, one will better be able to estimate the speed that was involved.
As it took only 2 hours to move the a/c, it can be assumed that the overshooting was not too severe - unlike the old event in HAJ where the overshooting was several hundred feet into soft ground after rain, closing that runway for a day or so (but fortunately HAJ has 2 parallel runways).

Maybe this event at STR will bring up the discussion about a second parallel runway up again (STR needs it !).  stirthepot 
Holger



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2014 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 5):
Hopefully we will get some pictures showing the exact position of the a/c off the runway / taxiway. With this, one will better be able to estimate the speed that was involved.

Heres a small photo http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm Looks fairly minor, all gear intact anyway. Interesting theres a report of another AA ERJ slipping of a runway below the BE report.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1936 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 6):
Heres a small photo http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm

If you click onto the picture and navigate forward your get a bigger one (same shot).
Runway lights are visible right in front of the a/c's frontwheel, shattering my theory that the a/c veered off the runway/taxiway while turning. This is supported by the article where it goes as "The a/c started to slide after touchdown".
-HT



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Thanks for the link Vernon!
I shoved into my favourites.

Holger, thanks for the nice explanation.
Do you think the not TR equipped Embraers are redundant in all (safety) means, even for operations in wet, icy, cold, and snow covered runway conditions?
I start somehow to doubt a bit. Incidents like this one are not rare anymore. And very often there are heavy weather conditions involved.

I wonder if the Luftfahrtbundesamt and / or EASA might take a closer look in those kinds of incidents.

Anyway, we are always happy when everything turned out ok and nobody gut hurt after such things happen.


Kind regards
Patrick



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1575 times:



Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 8):
Do you think the not TR equipped Embraers are redundant in all (safety) means, even for operations in wet, icy, cold, and snow covered runway conditions?
I start somehow to doubt a bit. Incidents like this one are not rare anymore. And very often there are heavy weather conditions involved.

While Thrust Reversers are (were ?) an optional feature on ERJ's, they never have been available for the complete series of AVROs/BAe-146.

Writing above sentence, I asked myself: What are the landing speeds of the two series of A/C ?
Might it be that the AVRO has (the option) of a considerable slower landing speed than the ERJ ?
The AVROs perfectly can operate into LCY's short runway - and have done so, largely without problems even in rainy conditions.
I have created a thread in Tech&Ops for the landing speeds.
.-HT



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

>>I have created a thread in Tech&Ops for the landing speeds.<<

Good idea! Let's see what the specialists say about it...

Greetz,
Patrick



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