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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

From the Hindu:

Air India has suspended 10 FA's for exceeding weight norms - I guess you need to have more trim and less ballast for the job?

http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/06/stories/2009010660370100.htm

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User currently onlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

this has been an ongoing case - and has reached the courts as well. I think there's some level of discrimination as I hear the rules don't apply quite as strictly to the male FAs.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

I have seen a picture of the F/A who filed the complaint in another forum. She, at 51 years old, doesn't look obese, but normal and curvy.
Face it, biologically women have subcutanous fat, which makes them curvy. The current fashion for skinny, androgenous types, is actually an aberration. If youlook at pictures of F/As from the 1960s-1970s, they ALL appear to be curvy.
MyFilipino girlfriend, who has a normal shape for a 34 year old woman (which curves where they belong), complained that in the Philippines she can't find clothes fitting to her, since all fashionable clothes seem to be made for skinny teenagers.

Jan


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting Comorin (Thread starter):
Air India has suspended 10 FA's for exceeding weight norms - I guess you need to have more trim and less ballast for the job?

According to the linked news article, they're not suspended, they're sacked. Bit of a difference....


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

This is not the first time it happened. A similar situation occured with Indian Airlines (IC) some years back.


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
MyFilipino girlfriend,

Hmm it's actually Filipina if your referring to your gf, unless there's something she hasn't told you!  Wink Same distinction as Pinoy/Pinay.

Are the rules for male staff the same as they are for female staff at AI? What is the determining factor ? Is it Body Mass Index?


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3198 times:



Quoting EDICHC (Reply 5):
Hmm it's actually Filipina if your referring to your gf, unless there's something she hasn't told you! Wink Same distinction as Pinoy/Pinay.

Actually It was just a typo.  Wink

Jan


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3159 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
Actually It was just a typo.

Jan

Only joking m8! I just saw the funny side of that as my wife is Filipina and when we were first dating I made that mistake!

Rgds

Aidan


User currently offlinePP705 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2693 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
This is not the first time it happened. A similar situation occured with Indian Airlines (IC) some years back.

I think they were reinstated subsquently.


User currently offlineWNBob From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

About time!

Air crews used to be trim and cute, the last 15 years oh My God, is that a msg to get me NOT to fly with them? ^D


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
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Every time this topic is raised, eventually the issue of safety comes up, ie can he/she fit down the aisle? When SAA started applying affirmative action zealously there were some African female flight attendants who really were too big for the aircraft; they would bump passengers' shoulders, arms and anything else protruding into the aisle. Over the years this has changed and thse days you do not see overly large crew on board.

Different people are genetically different but in an airline, safety and job capability are paramount and must take precedence over any pressures for the crew to represent a particular population group.

We can argue until the cows come home about the aesthetics issues but they really aren't important, it is all about fitness for purpose. Can a 5' flight attendant reach the emergency equipment in the overhead? If not, they are not fit for the job. Can they safely negotiate their body down the aisle (and quickly, in case of emergency)? If not, they are not fit for the job.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Give priority to safety first.Give priority to pax service second..... Smile
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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1907 times:

Guys,

Here's the thing for me; Airlines pay to fly weight around. If they don't want to incur extra cost flying heavier FAs about, I think it's their call. I'm sorry, but it's not dissimilar to not promoting/disciplining pilots who show a tendency for excessive fuel consumption or ramp workers who can't load the plane fast enough.

I'm the last person you'll ever find who supports any kind of 'discrimination' (used in the sense people will talk about in this thread). However, if you're an airline and weight directly contributes to cost, it's not discrimination anymore. It's looking after the bottom line. Harsh and cold? Probably. But there are ways to mitigate that (try and reposition the staff to ground positions with the possibility to get back into the air again).



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1044 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1718 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 10):
Every time this topic is raised, eventually the issue of safety comes up, ie can he/she fit down the aisle?

But if that is true then that should apply equally to male and female crew.
If they are indeed applying different criteria for male versus female flight attendants regarding weight etc, that is then not a safety issue, it is a discrimination issue.

Is Gender discrimination illegal in India?


User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1376 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
If they don't want to incur extra cost flying heavier FAs about, I think it's their call.

On which basis, should airlines stipulate that all FAs should be 4 foot midgets, weighing a maximum of 45 kilos so as to minimise fuel burn? And all pax should step on the scales with their hand baggage at the gate and pay by the lb?

Clearly there are conflicting business objectives and to suspend solely based on weight would appear to be somewhat short sighted.



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1290 times:



Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 14):
On which basis, should airlines stipulate that all FAs should be 4 foot midgets, weighing a maximum of 45 kilos so as to minimise fuel burn? And all pax should step on the scales with their hand baggage at the gate and pay by the lb?

*If* an airline wanted to do that, I think it should be their choice. I doubt they would be in business very long, but if they wanted to create midget air, sobeit.

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 14):
Clearly there are conflicting business objectives and to suspend solely based on weight would appear to be somewhat short sighted.

Well ofcourse, but we aren't talking about an absolute weight here, we are talking about (at least ostensibly) being *over* weight. This means over the weight you need to be to function as a 'normal' human being. At some point that weight becomes excess. In the day and age when airlines are throwing out their inflight publications to save weight, it doesn't seem illogical to look at staff weights.

If you imagine 4 FAs 30lbs overweight that would be approximately equivalent to the inflight magazines on an aircraft of say a 767 size. 30lbs sounds like a lot, but really, you'd be amazed how well some people can hide the first 20.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
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Quoting AT (Reply 13):
But if that is true then that should apply equally to male and female crew.

Hence my sentence including he/she.



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