Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11381 posts, RR: 9 Posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2383 times:
Would you like a pay increase of 30%-60% without working more or even without taking more responsibility in your job?
Living in reality everyone would say its impossible.
Not so the pilots of Lufthansa. This morning they went on strike for a few hours (I hope they don´t repeat it because I´ll fly with them tomorrow).
The pilots claim they agreed in pay decreases and pay increase deferrals when the airline was down in the early 90s, but now LH is one of the most profitable airlines in the world for years already and the pilots say its time to pay back now.
Currently a 747 Captain of LH receives about $10.000, a young A320-Copilot only about $3000 (and he has to pay back a credit of $50.000 for the education/license that LH is not paying).
Airlines like CX pay a lot more, I´ve heard. But on the other hand the driver of a german ICE-Fast-train with more people on board than a Jumbo-jet only gets about $2.200 a month.
What do you think? If the pilots would succeed a senior LH-747 captain would get a fantastic salary of more than $200.000 a year with all extras! I guess at least one problem LH has would be solved immiadetely: Not having enough youngsters to become pilot.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2363 times:
i assume that the 30% pay increase, they demand, is set so high, so that it won´t hurt them, if they had to scale back a little.
i do think, that the pay cuts the LH pilots agreed to several years ago should be reversed, if its economically sound, because if the pilots and other workers hadn´t done so, LH wouldn´t stand there where it is now, and so i think that on the one hand this demand in pay increases is justified. in addition, LH management has always been very hesitating when it came to pay increases.
a few weeks ago the german magazine focus had an article which spread the impression that the LH pilots went nuts because of all this fuss about their wage increases, and that all this is causing bad blood between LH pilots and pilots of other german airlines, proving that LH pilots only "want more and more" (i´d like to point out that this was the opinion of the author and is not explicitly mine).
however, i consider their statistics, which showed what pilots of all different german airlines earn, to be reliable, and this statistic clearly showed the in germany, LH pilots are the ones which receive the most pay, so i can understand, why pilots from LT or DI don´t seem to be too understanding. on the other side, recently in the german avation magazine aero international, the pay of LH´s pilots was compared to those of major international airlines, and those figures showed that in comparison to these airlines, LH pilots earn much less (especially CX, but also KL, SK, BA, AF, AA, DL, UA).
i don´t know too much about this issue, and so i won´t draw any conclusions. so all i can say is that i hope LH will fairly honour that the pilots agreed to the pay cuts some years ago and so enabled LH to turn into a highly profitable airline. but on the other side, i hope that there won´t be any pay increases that will cause bad blood among fellow pilots, if they are of a german or international airline, and i don´t know if this increase of 30% would mean such a massive jump and if its justified. i think some kind of increase is justified, and i hope LH and its pilots will find a suitable accord.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
"Would you like a pay increase of 30%-60% without working more or even without taking more responsibility in your job?
Living in reality everyone would say its impossible."
That's not neccesarily true, as the supply&demand market has a bearing on pilot's salaries.
Rod Eddington, BA CEO, recently said that as long as pilots were willing to join BA, salary increases where not necesary. So obviously if BA were desperate for pilots, the salary packages might be better than what is currently on offer. (One would presume).
As for LH, I haven't really the details as to why their pilots are demanding such an increase.
As far as salaries in Europe are concerned, I hear Air France are pretty much at the top.
BA pilots also seem to be unhappy about wages at the moment, more info on that on pprune.