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Differences Between 747 Models?  
User currently offlineSkane340 From Sweden, joined May 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

Hi,

I would like to get some more information about the different 747 built & delivered.

1) What is the number of pax for the different modells, staring from the first model (upper deck/ lower deck)?
2) What is the range & speed of the different models?
3) Which airlines has the plane with the largest number of PAX (still operating)?
4) SAS had some models, which models where they and during which time did they operate for SAS. Are there still any of these modells operating?

5) Is there an speed record for the 747?

Thank you in advance!

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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2873 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Good chart to compare and contrast the different Boeing 747 variants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747#Specifications


User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Why does the 744 have a higher pax count than the 743 or the 742SUD? AFAIK, there was no fuse stretch made for the 744, and both the 743 and the 742SUD had the stretched upper deck.


WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineSkane340 From Sweden, joined May 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Thank you for the link, but I still have some open questions...
regarding the largest number of PAX still operated, SAS 747 and speed record (probably a pilot can tell)


User currently offlineTepidHalibut From Iceland, joined Dec 2004, 210 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6406 times:



Quoting Skane340 (Reply 3):
and speed record

A quick google leads to http://www.groundspeedrecords.com/
Not necessarily the absolute record, but pretty interesting.


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6129 times:



Quoting Skane340 (Reply 3):
regarding the largest number of PAX still operated

It would be either a Japanese 744D, or the SS 744s; both seem to have a pretty high number of seats.



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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5927 times:



Quoting AJO (Reply 5):
Quoting Skane340 (Reply 3):
regarding the largest number of PAX still operated

It would be either a Japanese 744D, or the SS 744s; both seem to have a pretty high number of seats.

It would either be a 744, or maybe even the old SUD variant:

JAL operated the 747-100B/SR/SUD variant with 563 seats on domestic routes, and retired these planes in the third quarter of 2006.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25848 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5813 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 6):
Quoting AJO (Reply 5):
Quoting Skane340 (Reply 3):
regarding the largest number of PAX still operated

It would be either a Japanese 744D, or the SS 744s; both seem to have a pretty high number of seats.

It would either be a 744, or maybe even the old SUD variant:

JAL operated the 747-100B/SR/SUD variant with 563 seats on domestic routes, and retired these planes in the third quarter of 2006.

JL 747-400Ds have about the same number of seats in 2 classes, including 86 on the upper deck. French leisure carrier Corsairfly 744s also have very high density seating, close to 570 if memory correct.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2):
Why does the 744 have a higher pax count than the 743 or the 742SUD?

Actual seating depends on the airline. All 3 models have the same maximum certified seating capacity according to the FAA certification data sheet. No airlines come close to the maximum 660 seat limit (550 on main deck and 110 on upper deck).

FAA certification data for all 747 models at this link.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...b786257479004b50e1/$FILE/A20WE.pdf

Quoting Skane340 (Thread starter):
4) SAS had some models, which models where they and during which time did they operate for SAS. Are there still any of these modells operating?

SAS took delivery of 6 new 747-200s, including 3 combis. They leased a few others for varying periods, mostly freighters I believe. Of the 6 new ones, 2 were delivered in 1971, 1 in 1977, 1 in 1979, 2 in 1981. They were all sold at various times between 1982 and 1988 and had various subsequent operators.

I think 2 of the original SAS 742s still exist but don't believe they are in service. One of the 3 combis had been operating as a freighter for UPS but they just retired their last couple of 742s a month or so ago.The last A.net photo of the ex-SAS aircraft is dated 2006.

One of the other combis had been with a Greek cargo carrier called Sky Express for a couple of years but they suspended service in 2007.

The other ex-SAS combi was leaased to Avianca and crashed approaching MAD in 1983 with 181 fatalities (11 survivors).

All 3 of the all-passenger 742s have been scrapped.

Photos of those 6 742s from oldest to newest below while with SAS. Two had US registrations probably due to lease requirements. The 3rd one (LN-RNA) is the one that crashed while with Avianca.


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User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
SAS took delivery of 6 new 747-200s, including 3 combis

Impressive  

[Edited 2009-01-06 22:11:20]

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

I have not read the entire Wikipedia page, but, how many different variants did TW have? I remember them having the SPs.


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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4615 times:
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Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9):
I have not read the entire Wikipedia page, but, how many different variants did TW have? I remember them having the SPs.

TW did operate the 747SP, 747-100 and 747-200, the -200s came second hand from other airlines, as did some of the 747-100s.



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User currently offlineStevo310 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Regarding speed of B747s, on 15.09.2005, I flew on flight BA9 Bangkok - Sydney, on B747-400 G-CIVE. Over southern Australia, we were treated to some VERY spirited speeds, even prompting our Captain to make an announcement that he'd never before flown a 747 so fast, according to indicated ground speed. See attached images for proof of speeds, especially note a tail wind of 174 mph / 281km/h & ground speed up to 750 mph/ 1,207 km/h. Maybe not the fastest, but pretty damn fast that morning.
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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4175 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2):
Why does the 744 have a higher pax count than the 743 or the 742SUD?

Actual seating depends on the airline. All 3 models have the same maximum certified seating capacity

Thanks! I'm aware the seating depends on the airline configuration  Smile, that should have read max pax count...
But with the next sentence you answered my question. The numbers on wiki are faulty in this case, the "typical seat count" they state there should be the same for the 743 and the 744 anyway.



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting Stevo310 (Reply 11):
See attached images for proof of speeds, especially note a tail wind of 174 mph / 281km/h & ground speed up to 750 mph/ 1,207 km/h. Maybe not the fastest, but pretty damn fast that morning.

Oh my, never thought that was possible. In more than 5000 flights I never exceeded 1150 km/h, at least what I know.


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3317 times:



Quoting Farzan (Reply 13):
In more than 5000 flights

How old are you?



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User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3031 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 14):
How old are you?

Check my profile! 61 to be exact.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

What was the last pax airline that used the -100 with the original 3 window upper deck.....might it be Tower Air ??


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2854 times:



Quoting Skane340 (Thread starter):
3) Which airlines has the plane with the largest number of PAX (still operating)?

While not a regular scheduled flight I believe LV did a relief flight ADD-TLV with a 742 in the late 80's/early 90's im not sure of the exact figure but I know it was just under 1100 pax all seats were removed.




Vhq



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2808 times:



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 17):
I believe LV did a relief flight ADD-TLV

You meant LY  Smile. There were 1,122 pax on board, 2 babies born in flight. Wiki-article is here.



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