Skane340 From Sweden, joined May 2008, 89 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6731 times:
I would like to get some more information about the different 747 built & delivered.
1) What is the number of pax for the different modells, staring from the first model (upper deck/ lower deck)?
2) What is the range & speed of the different models?
3) Which airlines has the plane with the largest number of PAX (still operating)?
4) SAS had some models, which models where they and during which time did they operate for SAS. Are there still any of these modells operating?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5819 times:
Quoting Acabgd (Reply 6): Quoting AJO (Reply 5):
Quoting Skane340 (Reply 3):
regarding the largest number of PAX still operated
It would be either a Japanese 744D, or the SS 744s; both seem to have a pretty high number of seats.
It would either be a 744, or maybe even the old SUD variant:
JAL operated the 747-100B/SR/SUD variant with 563 seats on domestic routes, and retired these planes in the third quarter of 2006.
JL 747-400Ds have about the same number of seats in 2 classes, including 86 on the upper deck. French leisure carrier Corsairfly 744s also have very high density seating, close to 570 if memory correct.
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2): Why does the 744 have a higher pax count than the 743 or the 742SUD?
Actual seating depends on the airline. All 3 models have the same maximum certified seating capacity according to the FAA certification data sheet. No airlines come close to the maximum 660 seat limit (550 on main deck and 110 on upper deck).
Quoting Skane340 (Thread starter): 4) SAS had some models, which models where they and during which time did they operate for SAS. Are there still any of these modells operating?
SAS took delivery of 6 new 747-200s, including 3 combis. They leased a few others for varying periods, mostly freighters I believe. Of the 6 new ones, 2 were delivered in 1971, 1 in 1977, 1 in 1979, 2 in 1981. They were all sold at various times between 1982 and 1988 and had various subsequent operators.
I think 2 of the original SAS 742s still exist but don't believe they are in service. One of the 3 combis had been operating as a freighter for UPS but they just retired their last couple of 742s a month or so ago.The last A.net photo of the ex-SAS aircraft is dated 2006.
One of the other combis had been with a Greek cargo carrier called Sky Express for a couple of years but they suspended service in 2007.
The other ex-SAS combi was leaased to Avianca and crashed approaching MAD in 1983 with 181 fatalities (11 survivors).
All 3 of the all-passenger 742s have been scrapped.
Photos of those 6 742s from oldest to newest below while with SAS. Two had US registrations probably due to lease requirements. The 3rd one (LN-RNA) is the one that crashed while with Avianca.
Stevo310 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4415 times:
Regarding speed of B747s, on 15.09.2005, I flew on flight BA9 Bangkok - Sydney, on B747-400 G-CIVE. Over southern Australia, we were treated to some VERY spirited speeds, even prompting our Captain to make an announcement that he'd never before flown a 747 so fast, according to indicated ground speed. See attached images for proof of speeds, especially note a tail wind of 174 mph / 281km/h & ground speed up to 750 mph/ 1,207 km/h. Maybe not the fastest, but pretty damn fast that morning.
AustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4181 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2):
Why does the 744 have a higher pax count than the 743 or the 742SUD?
Actual seating depends on the airline. All 3 models have the same maximum certified seating capacity
Thanks! I'm aware the seating depends on the airline configuration , that should have read max pax count...
But with the next sentence you answered my question. The numbers on wiki are faulty in this case, the "typical seat count" they state there should be the same for the 743 and the 744 anyway.
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
Farzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
Quoting Stevo310 (Reply 11): See attached images for proof of speeds, especially note a tail wind of 174 mph / 281km/h & ground speed up to 750 mph/ 1,207 km/h. Maybe not the fastest, but pretty damn fast that morning.
Oh my, never thought that was possible. In more than 5000 flights I never exceeded 1150 km/h, at least what I know.
Vhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2860 times:
Quoting Skane340 (Thread starter): 3) Which airlines has the plane with the largest number of PAX (still operating)?
While not a regular scheduled flight I believe LV did a relief flight ADD-TLV with a 742 in the late 80's/early 90's im not sure of the exact figure but I know it was just under 1100 pax all seats were removed.
"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"