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UA Downgrading MIA Service to UAX  
User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

This is only a rumor and am posting to see if anyone has confirmation of truth/fiction. There's word floating around among former UA/MIA employees that UA is pulling out of MIA. I thought I'd heard that UA had lost a lawsuit to Miami-Dade County and was obligated to stay here for a while. Again, all here is rumor but would like to know if anyone's heard anything.

Thx!!!!

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13570 times:

I haven't heard that rumor I know that in June UA is switching ORD/IAD-MIA to E170s and DEN down to a single daily flights but other then that I haven't heard/seen anything. MIA is actually one of the few business markets in Florida so I doubt they would pull out of MIA completely.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13536 times:

I'd be very surprised if the world's 3rd largest airline simply abandoned South Florida in it's entirety (they already pulled out of FLL and PBI).

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13441 times:

does anyone have the flights times for the old hub?? GRU, EZE, etc. etc. and all the hub flights?


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

I would not be surprised. UA gave up on MIA as the South American base a few years ago and consolidated most of the South American routes at IAD. AA has a hub there and there is tons of competition so switching to UAX service would not be unexpected. LAX is also fraction of its former self for UA, once a major Pacific gateway and alleged hub residing in the shadow of SFO, although I doubt UA would abandon LAX entirely to UAX.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13380 times:

Is it still UA employees at MIA? This is the kind of rumour that would develop if UA was planning on out-sourcing employees.

The thought that one of the country's largest airlines would entirely pull out of South Florida is ludicrous.

There was also no lawsuit. There are no airline leases at MIA since the airport is common use, and payments, IIRC, are month-to-month.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13285 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
I'd be very surprised if the world's 3rd largest airline simply abandoned South Florida in it's entirety (they already pulled out of FLL and PBI).

How United could abandon ORD to FLL & PBI is beyond comprehension. When oil was $140 a barrell is one thing but with $40 per barrell fuel and the winter there is large demand to these 2 airports. United seems to be alomost abandoning anything on teh east coast short of DCA and LGA flights to ORD, its IAD hub and PS service to JFK.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13228 times:

That would certainly fit with UA's recent business strategy, which is to shrink in every important business market and make no attempt to hold on to their customer base. Although, UA seems to prefer withering down to nothing over time rather than cutting markets all together.

As others have said though, Southern Florida is huge. I don't see how one of the largest airlines in the US could leave the market entirely. I think the more likely scenario is that perhaps CO will eventually take over all groundwork for UA at MIA.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13228 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Is it still UA employees at MIA? This is the kind of rumour that would develop if UA was planning on out-sourcing employees.

The thought that one of the country's largest airlines would entirely pull out of South Florida is ludicrous.

There was also no lawsuit. There are no airline leases at MIA since the airport is common use, and payments, IIRC, are month-to-month.

Yes, there are still UA employees at MIA but given all the furloughs, everyone is big seniority and maxed out paywise so as to labor, it's probably an expensive station for UA.

Thanks for clearing up the lawsuit rumor. These have been floating around for some time and I hope the pulling out rumor is also false.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13228 times:

does seem a little surprising to me as well, but maybe they plan on just going UAX bare bones, and use the US and CO code shares to supplement their service.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13096 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
United seems to be alomost abandoning anything on teh east coast short of DCA and LGA flights to ORD, its IAD hub and PS service to JFK.



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 9):
does seem a little surprising to me as well, but maybe they plan on just going UAX bare bones, and use the US and CO code shares to supplement their service.

This seems like the most plausible explanation. Does anyone *credible* have any insight into UA's 'strategy' (or lack thereof) in South Florida? I'm not familiar with the CO and US presence there, but I'm guessing that if you were to combine UA, CO, and US, their flight ops at MIA still wouldn't come close to AA.

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

of course their presence wouldnt come close to AA.


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12937 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 11):
of course their presence wouldnt come close to AA.

Right, so the point then becomes, why should UA bother? Seems to me it makes sense for UA to pull out and let US or CO do the lifting.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12390 times:

Seems to me, MIA and some other stations are ripe to be contract stations as good chunk of the flying is already or could become 100% UAX with contract handling from a partner.

Such baby stations with UA mainline staffing serving only a handful of flights have to be a heavy overhead cost burden to carry.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12373 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
I'm not familiar with the CO and US presence there, but I'm guessing that if you were to combine UA, CO, and US, their flight ops at MIA still wouldn't come close to AA.

CO flies to their hubs in CLE, IAH, and EWR. US to theirs in CLT, PHL, and PHX. That's about it.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12356 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 12):
Right, so the point then becomes, why should UA bother? Seems to me it makes sense for UA to pull out and let US or CO do the lifting.


It makes no sense for UA to not have a presence at any of the three airports America's fifth largest O&D market, alliances or no alliances.



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User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12161 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
CO flies to their hubs in CLE, IAH, and EWR. US to theirs in CLT, PHL, and PHX. That's about it.

No more US MIA-PHX. That has been gone for over a year now. Only CLT and PHL are left from MIA.



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11296 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I think the more likely scenario is that perhaps CO will eventually take over all groundwork for UA at MIA.

Seems likely that CO will take over UA period.  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

What is really bizarre is how 6-7 years ago UA was the #2 carrier at MIA. They really disintegrated their ops most notibly at JFK and MIA since they filed for the 1st BK.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11026 times:
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Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 16):

US Airways has a big presence at FLL. Their small operations at MIA makes sense, especially since MIA is AA's fortress.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
What is really bizarre is how 6-7 years ago UA was the #2 carrier at MIA. They really disintegrated their ops most notibly at JFK and MIA since they filed for the 1st BK.

Yep, looks like they gave up on South America too. I still remember when they flew to SCL from MIA.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

Hi !

It looks like this one is true from what I hear. I would expect an anouncement very soon, perhaps already tomorrow.....UA would not pull out completely; just mainline flights and mainline employees. MIA would still be served by UAX.

The777Man



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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10780 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 18):
They really disintegrated their ops most notibly at JFK and MIA since they filed for the 1st BK.

Umm...Pretty sure there was only 1 bankruptcy (although lengthy).


User currently onlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

The strategy of UAL Senior Management is to continue to shrink the size of the airline so that a merger with CO will pass muster with a DOJ law judge. Senior management has no intention of running the company for the long-term and it is unlikely that any new product initiatives or innovations will be forthcoming out of 77 W. Wacker Drive. It has become apparent that their sole mission is to shrink, sell, and run...

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Emp...view-United-Airlines-RVW146378.htm

[Edited 2009-01-06 23:16:31]


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10637 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 1):
I haven't heard that rumor I know that in June UA is switching ORD/IAD-MIA to E170s and DEN down to a single daily flights but other then that I haven't heard/seen anything.

...but that is what UA did last summer, isn't it? It was, IIRC, 2 IAD/ORD on S5 and 1 UA to DEN on Ted. At the time the story was that all of MIA was Ted and that S5 gave UA the oportunity to add premium service. I guess UA's story this time will be off season, empty planes, blah, blah. I gave up on UA and opted for 1 of the many AA flights last summer. Pitty what UA has done to MIA!


User currently offlineServisair From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9322 times:

UA will advise the employees in MIA today.

UA Mainline WILL be pulling out of MIA and making the switch to a express station. THIS IS A FACT! As usual, UA screwed up the announcment. Senior management mad a statment in a ORD briefing "before" it was made public and even worse, before the told the MIA employees.



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25 Ualmmflyer : Schedule has already been uploaded. Each of the two current A320 flights to ORD and IAD will be downgraded to UX DEN will be only one frequency a day.
26 Jfk777 : FLL for US is a different type of proposition. IF UA still had a full schedule at FLL then I could buy a MIA reduction but UA is no longer at FLL. MI
27 Petteri : Perhaps if we had access to the advance sales figures for the summer/fall cruise season we might get a better idea of why UA is downgrading MIA. How
28 SCL767 : AA has 3 daily flights on the ORD-FLL-ORD route, plus NK operates between ORD and FLL. Also, WN has 5 or 6 daily flights to Midway out of FLL and B6
29 AJMIA : UA is now the partner of JJ. They should be getting tons of domestic connections in the morning from them. This is why I do not understand why JJ lef
30 MIASkies : Very sad...I don't understand UA.
31 BHMDiversion : Anyway United can screw an employee, customer, or anyone else for the fact, they will. It's the United way. I know I got my furlough notice Christmas
32 United787 : What is the big deal? 1. They don't have a hub there anymore and don't need it. With the upcoming partnership with CO, they will have a new gateway to
33 AA767400 : Saturated? MIA is not FLL. FL,NK,B6, and the likes do not serve MIA. If you mean South Florida then yes. But MIA is an airport that does not have muc
34 USAirALB : After 9/11 they flew to... Dec. 2001 Buenos Aires 1x 777 Caracas 1x 320 ORD 3X 3220, 2x 763, 1x 752, 1x 735 DEN 1x 752, 1x 320 LAX 1X 777 JFK 1x 763 L
35 Hiflyer : MIA converts to UAX with the Summer sked of June 4. MIA is not the only station...there are rumors running from 5 to 17. Someone leaked the news Tuesd
36 USAirALB : I prey that its not ALB. UA currently has 1x 320/319 to ORD and the rest of the flights to ORD are on CR7's. IAD is a 145. I guess though that if UA
37 AirportPlan : TAM has a code shares on UAs GRU-ORD, GRU-IAD and GIG-IAD flights so passengers connecting into the UA system connect through those larger hibs.
38 Tommy767 : My bad but it certainly feels like 2 because it was so lengthy. Very similar, but just with more frequency. In 2002 I remember UA added a weekend A32
39 TW741 : Recently on the news it was reported that cruises see a sharp decline in bookings and that shipping companies already deferred newly ordered ships. T
40 United787 : Sorry, I meant Southeast Florida specifically. I love United and my best friend lives in Miami Beach, but when I fly to Miami from Chicago, I usually
41 MAH4546 : I don't get what the big deal is? This is not news. UA's schedule to MIA this summer - 2x E70 ORD/2x E70 IAD/1x 320 DEN - is the exact same thing as l
42 Hiflyer : DEN goes away.....will not stay....the rj's will not make it. BTV got the axe...going express end of March.
43 USAirALB : What about ALB?
44 Sflaflight : Thank you! That is exactly what I said earlier. Alot of this is just left over chatter from back in the days UA-MIA nostalgic posters, but they must
45 United1 : MIA-Brazil is basically an O&D market, passengers do connect between UA & JJ but most of that is not through MIA.
46 Platinumfoota : I actually flew LAX-IAD-MIA in November and the IAD-MIA leg was a TED flight and mostly full. I was flying non rev and 2 weeks later when I was coming
47 Sflaflight : As is most the case with Lat Am-MIA routes - Most passengers on local (non US) Lat AM (TA, CM, AV, JJ, AM etc..) airlines are not connecting in MIA.
48 300CAP : Wacker Drive, in Chicago, should be renamed Wacko Drive ever since UA management wasted the money to have their so-called "crystal palace." placed the
49 Hiflyer : I would not be surprised to see CO on Sofla to DEN when the codeshare with UA becomes effective.
50 Jamake1 : This makes me especially sad. The BTV employees are a friendly, hard-working, enthusiastic bunch and I have enjoyed many long layovers overlooking La
51 MAH4546 : UA can resume mainline service to MIA five months after the employee switch, IIRC. Expect MIA-DEN 320 service to return for ski season.
52 BTVB6Flyer : Well this a crappy way to start off the New Year for BTV. Is this all internal right now? Because looking a the timetables they still show a daily 735
53 Hiflyer : FYI....they can run only for 5 months...not after 5 months. If an Ejet can get a 2500 mile range you could see them on DEN from SoFla...they run it f
54 Cubsrule : They can still fly some mainline seasonally. BTV is certainly a station where summer mainline is a possibility.
55 United1 : Its not exactly internal anymore from what I have gathered but Apollo has not been updated with any changes yet.
56 OB1504 : So is UA keeping the MIA-DEN flight past June 4th?
57 DC8FanJet : Yield in any market determines continued service, not just traffic. Yes it is true there are cruise customers...2 or 3 days a week, and at very low,
58 MAH4546 : It can't operate for five months when the switch to UAEx occurs, so it should be back for ski season. With the exception of some east coast markets i
59 Trojanclipper : MIA has never been a priority for UA. They originally tried to develop a hub at MCO, but then Pan Am went under and UA jumped, taking their South Amer
60 USAirALB : UA has stayed mainline in BTV when the others have left. I,m shocked they're leaving now, after all these years.
61 N312RC : United moves in mysterious ways, I guess. The JAX station was just recently reactivated as a mainline United station, with mainline employees, upgrade
62 Cubsrule : Funny... that's almost identical to the schedule a couple of years ago, when it was an outsourced station.
63 Tommy767 : I remember reading a while back that UA flew to ORD-RSW with 757s earlier this decade. Is this true? Was RSW ever a mainline station or was it outsour
64 Cubsrule : They did... for Spring break season, 2004, for instance, they ran 3x 752 and a 320.
65 Tommy767 : thats a good amount of mainline for such a small station. I guess they cut down RSW to being outsourced as well?
66 Anetter123 : If there is one region I simply cannot understand why it would be so underserved from one of the largest airilnes in the world is that of South Flori
67 ERAUgrad02 : I was inn JAX then as lead gate agent for ACA. Working CRJ-200 sucked there as we were always weight restricted if there was ANY WX of any kind en-ro
68 Mercure1 : preparing the store to be sold for a song to a co in IAH
69 MIASkies : What about RDU? IAD running couple day 733/735/CR7 Flights and ORD is all 4 or 5 daily E-170 if I am not mistaken.
70 Cubsrule : I'd take an E-Jet over a ratty AA 752 any day... unless you enjoy the powerful takeoff, I can't see any way in which the 752 is superior.
71 Tommy767 : So sad to think that back in 2000 I flew MIA-ORD on a UA 777. Now this route is only on E-Jetz? I guess I would take that over an AA 757 though.
72 MIASkies : your kidding right? please review your statement... E-JET is superior than a 757? ok...
73 Cubsrule : Wider seats, larger windows, no middle seat, newer interior, Economy Plus, much less surly crew, much easier boarding, etc. I think that's a pretty g
74 SCL767 : I wish AA still had the ORD-MIA-ORD 772 flight in operation. They recently downgraded the 763 on the route, and now its flown exclusively by 752s, wh
75 OB1504 : Performance and size-wise, of course he is. However, the EMB-170 as UAX outfits it is much more comfortable than AA's 757, although I haven't had a c
76 Cubsrule : My comparison was limited to passenger comfort. Apologies if that was unclear.
77 Tommy767 : The 757 is an amazing aircraft no doubt. It's just too bad AA has some of the worst interiors in the industry and are taking there time replacing the
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