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US Airline Pilots And Rediculous Neck Ties  
User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 537 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 34724 times:

What is it with US airline pilot's and the dare I say it stupid neck ties they wear around airports - sort of spoils the whole professional image/uniform I think sometimes.

I'm not that sort of miserable person, I just think they look silly.

Wouldn't catch a British Airways pilot wearing one.

What says you?

[Edited 2009-01-07 08:52:34]


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34682 times:

I know a pilot with this on one of his ties.... You don't think thats cool?!


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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34654 times:

Last I checked most men in business attire wear tie's. So i don't understand where you are coming from.

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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34655 times:

What are you talking about? pics?


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34640 times:

He's asking about the goofy ties American pilots wear with pictures like the one I posted. Most European pilots seem to wear straight black ties to make their uniforms more like common matching business suits.


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34576 times:

You want to grip about a pilot wearing something other than a black tie? What is the big deal if a pilot wants to wear a holiday tie or a tie with flags on it or some other design? At least they are wearing ties.


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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34570 times:

I say good for them. What, is important is that they can fly the airplane safely!


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3195 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34546 times:

It seems to me that AA and WN have an especially bad problem with this. AA pilots seem to wear whatever tie they please so long as it has an "American" connotation to it.

As for WN, maybe it's part of the "WN pride" facade of making a unique uniform or whatever. But isn't that the whole point of a uniform so everyone looks the same??


BTW, to add to the OP's rant, I think the absolute *most* ridiculous thing is when pilots wear cowboy boots. Talk about urban cowboy to the max  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34517 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
BTW, to add to the OP's rant, I think the absolute *most* ridiculous thing is when pilots wear cowboy boots. Talk about urban cowboy to the max

Then you know nothing about commercial pilot history, they have been wearing them for years.
and fyi they are aviator boots not cowboy boots.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3195 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34481 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 8):
and fyi they are aviator boots not cowboy boots.

Haha, and I assume you intend to tell me that aviator boots have spurs too???  Yeah sure  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34461 times:

I think it is cool, brings a little fun in this very serious world. The US airline industry is in shambles for the most part, but of all the pilots I like the most are US carriers pilots, they are quite animated, rather humble, down to earth and sometimes really good fun. Working for a handling company I have had the chance to meet pilots from a number of countries, from various airlines, and the American guys always seem to be the coolest of the lot.


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34461 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
As for WN, maybe it's part of the "WN pride" facade of making a unique uniform or whatever. But isn't that the whole point of a uniform so everyone looks the same??

If they are wearing a tie (ie - in uniform) I'm sure thats part of the rule book. I'm sure they tell the WN pilots (either black or navy... never flew on them) suit, wings, hat, and tie, with a white shirt..... I'm sure they give the pilots free reign on the tie as long as its in good taste.



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34361 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Haha, and I assume you intend to tell me that aviator boots have spurs too???

See for yourself...

http://www.cavenders.com/assets/product_images/JUS03040_f.jpg



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34348 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
Haha, and I assume you intend to tell me that aviator boots have spurs too???

Can you really tell us that you've seen pilots wearing boots with SPURS? Perhaps what you're seeing them wear is Wellington style boots, which are not cowboy boots. My dad wore them for years and in no way was he a cowboy or a cowboy wannabee.

I daresay that many pilots wear these...............



[Edited 2009-01-07 10:01:54]


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34341 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 8):
Then you know nothing about commercial pilot history, they have been wearing them for years.
and fyi they are aviator boots not cowboy boots.

Second that. Pilots of yesteryear went to work wearing leather jackets and aviator boots. Something that harkens back to that is always welcome.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3195 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 34294 times:

What is now the best and most professional uniform of all US airlines:





I see no leather jackets, no personal ties.... what gives??  devil 



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34268 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 8):
Then you know nothing about commercial pilot history, they have been wearing them for years.
and fyi they are aviator boots not cowboy boots.

I think what the poster is getting at is that the ties are gaudy, and I tend to agree. It wasn't all that long ago (70's/80's) that dress code was mandatory.

These pilots walking around the airport looking like Richard Simmons in a pilot iniform look rediculous.



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User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 245 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34198 times:

I'd say the whole laidback attitude towards clothes in America has just gone into the professional world, and from my perspective, although I'm sure I'll be flamed by all the members with US flags, it is gaudy and looks unprofessional and has gone to far.

Look at what the workers at the Boeing shop floor wear, and compare to their major competitor Airbus. The Boeing workers wear jeans and plaid shirts whereas the Airbus staff are all in uniforms. I know the two workforces are just as competent, but somehow the Airbus staff looks a lot more professional to me.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34163 times:



Quoting CEO@AFG (Reply 21):
but somehow the Airbus staff looks a lot more professional to me.

Looks aren't everything. Do they get the same amount of work done? Of course they do and besides, the workers on the shop floor aren't visible to the public so why have a uniform? The only reason I could see is that the Airbus employees want one to protect their own clothes and the Boeing employees don't. The same probably holds true in the auto industry.



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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34154 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 18):
What is now the best and most professional uniform of all US airlines:

Were those the men who rammed Titanic into the iceberg?



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34942 times:



Quoting DTW757 (Reply 25):
Were those the men who rammed Titanic into the iceberg?

Would you say the same to a U.S. Navy officer, which is what the Delta pilot's uniform is based on?



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User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 245 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34859 times:

I'm sure Airbus and Boeing takes customers onto the shopfloor to view their aircraft prior to delivery, which will get them in contact with A and B's respective workforce. Beside the point and getting off the main discussion.


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User currently offlineSFOnative From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34473 times:



Quoting Gulfstream650 (Thread starter):
Wouldn't catch a British Airways pilot wearing one.

What are you suggesting by this?


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34265 times:

Quoting Mayor (Reply 26):
Would you say the same to a U.S. Navy officer, which is what the Delta pilot's uniform is based on?

No that's what I was getting at. They look more like sailors not aviators.

[Edited 2009-01-07 11:23:47]


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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34178 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 7):
It seems to me that AA and WN have an especially bad problem with this.

Good thing is: It is no problem.



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25 Gulfstream650 : Supposed to mean they BA pilots are far better dressed, massively more professional, largely superior bordering on superhuman compared to their US equ
26 Rwy04LGA : Looks can be deceiving.
27 VC10 : Well I did wear the correct tie when I was crew with that big airline, but I did rebel by wearing socks with Simpson cartoons on them, and as for boot
28 Post contains links Spartanmjf : I will take the professionalism, capability, and intelligence of a Southwest pilot any day of the week. http://www.southwest.com/programs_se...o_and_r
29 EWRCabincrew : I must be slow here. Why are black ties stupid? What exactly do you mean? You provide no information, examples or instances. Our pilots all wear blac
30 BrianDromey : I think it is a reflection of how two different cultures dress. People expect Europe and the USA to be indistinguishable from each other, but they are
31 ATTart : [quote=Gulfstream650,reply=0]US Airline Pilots And Rediculous Neck Ties Gulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0 Posted W
32 Gulfstream650 : I'm talking about the ones with cartoon characters, Christmas trees etc. I'm the fan of black (and formal) ties. Well I have chosen and will continue
33 ATTart : Well, that is good. For, AA is the airline my brother works for and my father retired from. I work for the other Chicago carrier. I have been around
34 Cbphoto : Well, I can speak for all of the regional airline pilots here in the US! When you get paid below minimum wage, get treated like crap from management a
35 EWRCabincrew : 57 posts to find out what it was you wanted to convey? Those who wear those type of ties do so at holiday times of the year. While black is the norm,
36 Mayor : I thought that was left to WN's F/A's?? As for the claim of the French having pilots 120 years before the Wrights, are you actually talking about bal
37 DeltAirlines : I could care less if a pilot is wearing a uniform or not. I work at the corporate headquarters of a Fortune 100 company. Dress code is slacks and a ni
38 VonRichtofen : Man that's so true. You can spot an American pilot from a mile away: Tie with either a cartoon on it, or a historic scene with B-17's or something. Pa
39 Falstaff : The Justins in Sporty's look just like my Justin Basics that I bought at Rural King. I see pilots wearing neat ties all the time. So what, I don't re
40 HRC773 : This would probably look cute if you saw it once or twice. Now that everyone is wearing it, it's not funny anymore. It doesn't bother me, though. I do
41 HZ747300 : I love the Cathay Pilot clip-on ties... You can see them ripping them off, usually in disgust after baggage claim / customs in Hong Kong. Personally,
42 KAUSpilot : Personally I only wear a black tie because I think they're more professional looking. I don't wear a hat either because they are optional at my compan
43 EWRCabincrew : Ahhhh...the power of peer pressure. I almost spit out my water when I read this.
44 Mariner : Ah - so I guess you go to work every day and fly a couple of hundred people around in a tin can, five miles above the earth? One point of a uniform i
45 Soon7x7 : Hey!...We Americans never made fun of Benny Hill...He dressed pretty strange!
46 Gulfstream650 : You've a point there.
47 P3Orion : Why do they ridicule those that wear hats? That's kinda childish. I've never understood the mentallity of those that put well dress/groomed men down.
48 DeltAirlines : I'd say the same thing could be said in reverse. I've seen plenty of people dressed to the nines, but when time has come to have a conversation with
49 IAHFLYR : I believe the hard core union people are so pissed at anything that remotely relates to management they can't see straight! Since management is suppo
50 DashTrash : Double Breasted U Boat Commanders? That's the most hideous uniform in the industry...
51 474218 : Hell in the UK even the bin man wears a tie under his overalls.
52 Aviateur : We where neckties bekause they make us look hanzum.
53 KAUSpilot : I don't know, but people that continued to wear their hats after they became optional several years ago garnered a reputation as being either egotist
54 Smi0006 : Perhaps we should all simply agree to disagree? Perceptions like opinions are very individual and thus influenced by a variety of factors, and we will
55 Post contains links Gulfstream650 : Even Captain Boycott's looking the part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPjJFv1NDBg
56 P3Orion : When I'm walking the terminal and see one of you wearing your hat, I think it looks very sharp. It commands respect and shows prestige.
57 Mayor : Not any different than the U.S. Navy uniform or what PanAm used to wear. How is it hideous to you or is this just another slam at DL?
58 Post contains links Gulfstream650 : I think this is relevant: http://www.sportys.com/downloads/dow...ptain_Should_Look_and_Act&type=wmv This man looks like a pro.
59 ATTart : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPjJF...1NDBg Thank you.. I forgot about this youtube video...
60 Mariner : Who's talking about being dressed to the nines? We're talking about a uniform - it is the recognition factor that is crucial. It doesn't even need to
61 Mayor : Well, all we're really talking about here is the neckties, right? I mean, it's not like their wearing fright wigs or Groucho glasses or anything. If t
62 Voar : BTW... with respect to the ties... I think they are stupid. Disney prints and other cartoon characters should not be on a professional pilot. I for on
63 Malaysia : I miss the White officer hats that Pan Am Pilots had in addition to the double breast suits that DL still uses. The White Officer Caps that Pan Am ha
64 ShyFlyer : Some do, but those are only to be used on the layover. Bingo! Its been my observation that outside the military (and military-esque circles such as l
65 Beertrucker : Who is the heck really cares. If you don't want to get on a plane cause of the tie the pilot is wearing? Then I am sorry but there is something really
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