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US Airlines 2008 Traffic To Latin America  
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Traffic in millions of revenue passenger miles (rpm) for 2008 from the airlines

United 3810.6 (down 5.5%)
Delta 10427.3 (up 1.7%)
Continental 11632.5 (up 4.1%)
American 23587.9 (up 2.8%)

United seems to continue retreating from Latin America. Delta presented a minor increase in traffic. Continental presented the largest percent growth in traffic and American the largest absolute growth. When Continental joins Star, it will likely get more traffic from United and USAiways customers into Latin America, so the market is likely to continue to concentrate between the two larger players.

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

It looks more apparent that the market will be concentrated between three carriers AA,CO and DL. If Mexico and Central America could be taken out of the figures the figures to just South America would be interesting to see.

User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5078 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 1):
It looks more apparent that the market will be concentrated between three carriers AA,CO and DL.

DL had considerable international growth in 2008 but it was not in Latin America. Even though it tried many new routes, when it comes to total traffic it pretty much did not move the dial. Thus it seems Continental will solidify its position.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11529 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5034 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 1):
If Mexico and Central America could be taken out of the figures the figures to just South America would be interesting to see.

While I don't have the figures right in front of me, I'm fairly sure that removing Mexico and Central America would even further skew the numbers in AA's favor, since Mexico and Central America (plus the Caribbean) are the places where AA faces the most (but still not much, relatively) competition. Continental is strong in Mexico and Central America, and several airlines including CO and DL have a presence in the Caribbean. In South America, there is virtually no market AA serves in which it does not dominate.


User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Thanks Incitatus for that ranking. Would be interesting to compare the traffic of these same airlines To the U.S.


Saludos,


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

It is possible to know the proportion of traffic in each region. Based on the current week's schedule, SA)">AA and SA)">DL have pretty similar proportions of capacity (ASMs) in each of the 3 Latin regions: S. America SA, Caribbean Car, and Central America CA with CO decidely biased toward CA and UA to SA.

For SA)">AA it is 54% SA, 10% CA, 36% Car.
For CO it is 37% SA, 32% CA, 31% Car
For SA)">DL it is 57% SA, 14% CA, and 29% Car
For UA it is 68% SA, 12% CA, and 20% Car

Of total capacity in Latin America (and yes I know US has a presence in both CA and the Car but I did not count them in these totals), SA)">AA has 52%, SA)">DL has 22%, CO has 19%, UA has 7%.

For SA, SA)">AA has 54%, SA)">DL 23, CO 13, UA 10.
For CA, CO has 39%, SA)">AA 35, SA)">DL 20, UA 6 Yes CO has more capacity to CA than SA)">AA.
For Car, SA)">AA has 57%, CO and SA)">DL both are at 19%, and UA has 4.

again, these numbers don't include US so the Caribbean and CA shares are not accurate to the industry - just among these 4 carriers.

looking at total Latin capacity on a year over year basis,
for the current period, SA)">DL is up by 10% while SA)">AA is down by 10%, CO is down by 12%, and UA is down 7%
for June 09, SA)">DL is up by 2%, SA)">AA is down 14%, CO is down 12%, and UA is flat year over year.

there's alot of data here... hope it helps understand latin operations.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Thanks for the very interesting and enlightening work.

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
Traffic in millions of revenue passenger miles (rpm) for 2008 from the airlines

United 3810.6 (down 5.5%)
Delta 10427.3 (up 1.7%)
Continental 11632.5 (up 4.1%)
American 23587.9 (up 2.8%)

United seems to continue retreating from Latin America.



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 1):
It looks more apparent that the market will be concentrated between three carriers AA,CO and DL.



Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
When Continental joins Star, it will likely get more traffic from United and USAiways customers into Latin America, so the market is likely to continue to concentrate between the two larger players.

UA may grow again in the region taking into account its co-operation with TAM. But considering CO will become part of Star it seems they will take up this task and UA will continue to focus more on Asia/Pacific which is its territory anyway. CO hub in IAH is better positioned to take care of the region as compared to UA.

I also think DL will continue its drive in the region, where it is building a respectable network, especially one needs to take into account the airline expansion in Brazil launching GIG nonstop services and a multi-hub (ATL/JFK/LAX) service to GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4939 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
CO hub in IAH is better positioned to take care of the region as compared to UA.

And this should help CO's already decent LFs to the region too...



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4914 times:

I hope United will not stop their flights to Buenos Aires.
These flights are where the nicest and most professional UA flight pursers are.
I have met some truly great staff/pilots on board these flights.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4880 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
CO hub in IAH is better positioned to take care of the region as compared to UA.

That's true down to about PTY, but IAH is too far west to effectively serve a lot of connections to South America.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4846 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
but IAH is too far west to effectively serve a lot of connections to South America.

It serves connections to GIG, GRU, EZE quite well.....in fact if I am not mistaken the EZE flight is EWR-IAH-EZE



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4833 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
That's true down to about PTY, but IAH is too far west to effectively serve a lot of connections to South America.

Not really, their IAH-POS flight does extremely well vs. their EWR-POS flight.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
It serves connections to GIG, GRU, EZE quite well.

Yes, CO does offer better connections to South America out of IAH rather than at EWR.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4837 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
It serves connections to GIG, GRU, EZE quite well....

...from LAX and SEA. Not from BOS or ORD.



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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4811 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
...from LAX and SEA. Not from BOS or ORD.

You might be surprised. A quick look at inbound connections to CO51 IAH-EZE tonight shows passengers arriving from the cities listed below. There are even several pax coming up from Mexico and south Florida to catch it.
MIA, SFO, PHX, SEA, LAX, CLE, EWR, LAS, SAT, AMA, LFT, DEN, ATL, EGE, DFW, BJX, MEX, YVR, NRT, PDX, YYX, SJC, SMF, BWI, DTW, SLC, PBI, BOS


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4806 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):

...from LAX and SEA. Not from BOS or ORD

Well you can say that DLs deep S. America flights from ATL serve the east coast better than the w coast.

You can't be all things to all people...and the bottom line is that there is less competition to capture W -Coast -S America traffic than from the east.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4780 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 14):
You can't be all things to all people...and the bottom line is that there is less competition to capture W -Coast -S America traffic than from the east.

 checkmark IAH is an extremely successful hub and is well-positioned for the role that it serves in CO's network. But to suggest that it is better positioned than IAD to serve all South America traffic is, IMO, incorrect.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4749 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
IAH is an extremely successful hub and is well-positioned for the role that it serves in CO's network. But to suggest that it is better positioned than IAD to serve all South America traffic is, IMO, incorrect.

note from the stats above that CO and UA combined only come to the present size of DL in S. America and neither have a presence in the SE which is necessary for Latin America - esp. S. America - service.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4744 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
neither have a presence in the SE which is necessary for Latin America - esp. S. America - service

What is this?...last I checked SA)">CO was doing quite well to deep SA from IAH...ditto for AA from DFW...and as for necessary...isn't DL opening a LAX-GRU my friend?

So much for necessary.



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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4726 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
neither have a presence in the SE which is necessary for Latin America - esp. S. America - service.

People go wherever the seats are. DFW/IAH to/from EZE/GRU/GIG regularly takes passengers from all over the SE - even ATL - on a regular basis. Looking at a globe GA and TX are not that far apart at all.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4699 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
United seems to continue retreating from Latin America. Delta presented a minor increase in traffic. Continental presented the largest percent growth in traffic and American the largest absolute growth. When Continental joins Star, it will likely get more traffic from United and USAiways customers into Latin America, so the market is likely to continue to concentrate between the two larger players.

Just shows what we know. United isn't focused in Latin America while CO, DL and AA knows very well how profitable it is and they are better hubs than UA !

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
IAH is an extremely successful hub and is well-positioned for the role that it serves in CO's network. But to suggest that it is better positioned than IAD to serve all South America traffic is, IMO, incorrect.

Thanks to oil also... but they only realized this recently.

Quoting Junction (Reply 18):
People go wherever the seats are. DFW/IAH to/from EZE/GRU/GIG regularly takes passengers from all over the SE - even ATL - on a regular basis. Looking at a globe GA and TX are not that far apart at all.

Good point, but not only because of connections and better position. IAH, DFW and even ATL has a lot of business that provides important O&D traffic. This is stronger than IAD for example and just behind MIA and NYC areas.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

but the point is that CO has chosen not to try to compete as aggressively in deep S. America as DL has but has instead focused on CA where they are dominant. CO has a very logical management team. They know their hubs are not in the key Eastern Seaboard- S. America traffic flows and therefore they compete where it does make the most sense. UA and CO combined do not solve the problem of access to S. America but they do have the potential to be much stronger as a combined entity to Latin America as a whole.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4675 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 2):
DL had considerable international growth in 2008 but it was not in Latin America. Even though it tried many new routes, when it comes to total traffic it pretty much did not move the dial. Thus it seems Continental will solidify its position.

Ok so DL hasn't grown much to Latin America means it will never ever happen?

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
While I don't have the figures right in front of me, I'm fairly sure that removing Mexico and Central America would even further skew the numbers in AA's favor, since Mexico and Central America (plus the Caribbean) are the places where AA faces the most (but still not much, relatively) competition. Continental is strong in Mexico and Central America, and several airlines including CO and DL have a presence in the Caribbean. In South America, there is virtually no market AA serves in which it does not dominate.

I think the point is DL would be larger than CO in South America.



yep.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17427 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):
know their hubs are not in the key Eastern Seaboard- S. America traffic flows and therefore they compete where it does make the most sense.

Between EWR, IAH, and IAD, the Eastern Seaboard is more than covered. The only thing that is missing is South Florida, which is not worth connecting over ATL, even though MCO/MIA backhauls are pretty much the only thing propping up DL's new Brazil services. The only way you'll pry that traffic away from AA is on price. Also remember that the Skyteam hubs (MSP/DTW/ATL/CVG/SLC/MEM) don't have much OD demand to/from Latin America, whereas Star hubs (ie ORD/WAS/even SFO and DEN) do.

[Edited 2009-01-08 14:58:25]


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
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Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):
but the point is that CO has chosen not to try to compete as aggressively in deep S. America as DL has but has instead focused on CA where they are dominant. CO has a very logical management team. They know their hubs are not in the key Eastern Seaboard- S. America traffic flows and therefore they compete where it does make the most sense. UA and CO combined do not solve the problem of access to S. America but they do have the potential to be much stronger as a combined entity to Latin America as a whole.

CO has a clear strategy in my opinion, they only care about big markets. For example, talking about Brazil, they said only having plans to serve São Paulo and Rio.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4613 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):
They know their hubs are not in the key Eastern Seaboard- S. America traffic flows

There is flow between EWR (NYC) and several Southamerican cites, including GYE, which CO recently canceled.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 23):
CO has a clear strategy in my opinion, they only care about big markets. For example, talking about Brazil, they said only having plans to serve São Paulo and Rio.

I wouldn't rule out REC and/or SSA from EWR.



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25 SCL767 : Interesting assessment, how are the future loads on both the ATL-TGU and ATL-GYE routes? Also, DL must be excited about their new JFK-BOG service, ma
26 MaverickM11 : ATLGYE has been cut down to once weekly in JAN and not much more in the other months.
27 LipeGIG : There's no VFR traffic from Northeast as from CNF. So i don't believe CO would focus just on leisure. In Brazil only GIG and GRU provides good size o
28 SCL767 : Thanks for the update; from 3 weekly flights, down to only one weekly flight. Sad for DL at GYE, and this was their second try at it too. Well I gues
29 Luckyone : Not really. ATL is pretty much at the same longitude as the western tip of South America. A passenger going from LAX to GRU would only spend an extra
30 WorldTraveler : which is a valid strategy... but considering UA has an even more limited network in Latin America, those who say that UA and CO combined will be real
31 SCL767 : What other carriers are cutting flights out of GYE or TGU? One weekly flight to GYE during the busy season when ATL-GYE started out as 3x weekly? Cle
32 RwSEA : No, but the options for growth in Latin America are shrinking. DL has tried just about every landing strip south of the border - some with great succ
33 MaverickM11 : Every hub in the UA network has more Latin O&D than ATL, which is even smaller than DEN. UA and CO have a much larger captive audience in their hubs
34 SCL767 : That's very true; e.g. DL has done well on the JFK-GEO route due to lack of competition. They have also recently increased frequency on the JFK-POS r
35 STT757 : They did tag Belo Horizonte on GIG for a while.
36 SCL767 : DL put B767-400 on the ATL-SCL route a few months back, and it appears that it was a bit too much capacity for DL at SCL. Delta will revert back to t
37 MaverickM11 : They do well with just about any major ethnic group that has a large population in Queens/Long Island, hence the success of POS and GEO. Anything els
38 Breaker1011 : "Distant" #2 across the Pacific might be a bit of an exaggeration. They've cut or downgauged a few routes sure, and have elected not to START a coupl
39 Breaker1011 : Would also like to see the data source to support this statement as well if you have it. It might be interesting to know as well whether it's includi
40 SCL767 : DL will face some competition on the JFK-GEO route later this year. I'm sure KIN is on their radar since JM is the only airline operating between JFK
41 LipeGIG : I agree with you, UA lacks a good hub for connections and because of this the service to deep South America is limited. For example, again they will
42 Hardiwv : CO is too conservative. DL has been operating GIG nonstop now for 5 years (?) successfuly, while CO has the hub (IAH) and the market (oil) and had ju
43 Yellowtail : Spot checks lead me to belive that like MGA, I don't think they are too good..though yields are excellent. And that is why along with AA they a) do s
44 WorldTraveler : but UA is the 4th largest carrier to S. America; there is obviously more to Latin America than local markets or else UA's hub don't have as much loca
45 LipeGIG : Well, that's a problem of focusing on São Paulo. GIG-IAH clearly provides better yields to CO than GRU-IAH as well as got more cargo, but because of
46 MaverickM11 : Most of that local traffic is being split among non-Star carriers currently since UA has a limited Latin network. If CO joins Star, that will change.
47 Hardiwv : DL B764 for SCL is the right aircraft for the right market. With 3 weekly seasonal nonstop I think the 764 would be the least one could expect from C
48 SCL767 : Yes, AA has decreased capacity on some Latin American/Caribbean routes. What has AA accomplished by doing so? HIGHER YIELDS. e.g. AA decreased MIA-CU
49 MaverickM11 : June 2009. The question is what is DL going to apply for to top ATLMAO . CVGCWB?
50 2travel2know : Agree, look at the short lived DL JFK-PTY, even with lots of Panamanian in Brooklyn and Queens and with better times than CM JFK flights, the flight
51 SCL767 : I agree, they may be able to sustain a JFK-KIN service. Also, JFK-BOG won't last long, and as you know from another thread, DL's field-day at GEO wil
52 Hardiwv : On the bright side, DL will deploy the B764 with the new BE seats on JFK-GRU from 01 June 2009. DL is already operating this route for over 2 years n
53 LAXdude1023 : I think IAH-GIG would be bigger. Theres more business ties between the cities. I would think CO would fly a 764 to GIG and put a 762 on GRU from IAH.
54 Cubsrule : I don't know that the 764 is appropriate for periods of bad passenger loads, even when there's a lot of cargo demand.
55 SCL767 : It's just that WT showed such enthusiasm for the added cargo capacity associated with the 767-400, that he predicted that NW's 744s will fly the rout
56 STT757 : No it's just that DL is willing to lose money. CO previously has flown: EWR-GIG-CNF ( with a DC-10-30) EWR-SCL (daily nonstop DC-10-30) IAH-Santa Cru
57 LipeGIG : Agree. I use to say to some friends that CO could be the one focusing more in Rio than São Paulo. A 764 to GIG from IAH, plus 762's from EWR to both
58 Post contains links WorldTraveler : which is why the 330 will likely be used in the peak season as well. it has even more cargo capacity and all the amenities but every carrier should o
59 Cubsrule : The portion of that traffic that is loyal to UA (or *A) is likely already connecting to South America over IAD. Traffic to Mexico and Central America
60 SCL767 : DL does the same thing in the region. However, AA didn't need to cut capacity on most routes, they chose to, and are making profits on some flights w
61 MaverickM11 : It's really immaterial; besides, you're only really missing South Florida and that's AA territory. If that was important then ATL would be a terrible
62 STT757 : Internationally DL's performance is subpar to others, especially to Latin America.
63 LipeGIG : WT you have a good point. The 764 provides just a few more seats, but the main point is that such seats would be too much for Europe. So in the end, D
64 Incitatus : That is good insight but there is something you are not saying relating these two statements. Given that Delta is moving towards more schedule variab
65 AA787 : What are the chances of AA trying to turn JFK-GIG into a year round operation?
66 MCOAviationFan : Actually, there has been internal discussion at DL as to whether to utilize the 747-400 on ATL-GRU. I highly doubt that. DL does well from ATL and is
67 LAXdude1023 : Every carrier loses money on some aspect of its network. DL, like every other carrier isnt profitable everywhere they fly. Although I think they do w
68 Post contains images MCOAviationFan : Of course, every carrier loses money on some of it's network. I never said anything to the contrary. I just responded to the statement "DL is willing
69 SCL767 : Soon DL will be reducing the daily JFK-GEO to 4x weekly. Also, JFK-POS will only operate 3x weekly, instead of 5x weekly.
70 Avianca : It does not surprise me....btw arent there any connecting passengers from Europe?
71 SJOtoLIR : UA LAX-GUA as well as UA LAX-SAL were definitely ceased last year and this fact is reflecting in the figures. . DL failed last year trying to create
72 LipeGIG : We will know very shortly. DOT just announce they are accepting requests for 2009 routes to Brazil (14 weekly flights being 7 in June and 7 in Octoer
73 SCL767 : Not surprised, however I will be surprised if DL lasts on the JFK-BOG route longer than JFK-EZE. They will eventually pull out of GYE, again.
74 LAXdude1023 : Yeah, thats what theyre doing. Still, I find ATL-HNL a strange route for a 744.
75 Avianca : JFK-BOG has a very big O&D market + they can offer connections to Europe. I am sure the route will work fine. Maybe not with the highest yields as Av
76 MCOAviationFan : I agree! I wouldn't be surprised to see that changed to a 767-300 in the future. I also saw that one of the HNL-NRT flights is to use a 747-400 so pe
77 SCL767 : DL kept on deferring the route when it could have launched it to cope with the busiest month of the year. It will launch soon; however I do not have
78 Avianca : Yes - the aircraft rotation should be the point... maybe a ATL-HNL-NRT-ATL and ATL-NRT-HNL-ATL rotation...?
79 A300AA : JFK -BOG has been reduced to 5 weekly flights from FEB 2009.
80 SCL767 : The fact that they already cut the frequency before its launch isn't a good sign. DL will also face heavy competition from AV on the route. And most
81 A300AA : The flight is operating since DEC 18 2008.
82 SCL767 : Thanks for clarifying, I must have been thinking of B6 starting on 1/20/09. DL certainly made a lot of frequency reductions today on some routes.
83 OA412 : Do you have actual stats to back up this claim or are you just guessing? The economy's in the toilet and many analysts assume it will only get worse
84 MCOAviationFan : This applies to all U.S. carriers to Latin America. Compare the data which the original OP posted to December data and there is quite a difference. F
85 WorldTraveler : and once again, you selectively pick out pieces of data which don't tell the whole story solely because it reinforces your point. We have discussed m
86 LAXdude1023 : Indeed a very accurate statement. I dont think theres anything wrong with either approach. You cant have too much variability to business destination
87 WorldTraveler : excellent post... and evidence of the reason why network airlines have to be viewed in their entirety. Companies have to be able to demonstrate that
88 Luv2fly : Painting with some pretty broad strokes there. Warren Buffet for one comes to mind.
89 Incitatus : Someone pointed out to me that I overlooked USAirways in the starting posting - again revenue passenger miles for 2008. United 3810.6 (down 5.5%) USAi
90 LipeGIG : The only problem is that the demand Brazil-US in June/July is also very strong. Last year DL for example managed to offer 764 service to both GRU and
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