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Is The UA Baggage Fee Still In Effect?  
User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

I flew seven times last year( 2008) between BWI and ORD, and six out of that seven times was with United Airlines. And, sometime in June , if I remember correctly, they started charging that First baggage fee of $15$, second baggage of $25 and so on...
It was kind of understandable, in July we had barrel of oil $147$ !!! And that was their explanation, " that was surcharge for high oil prices" , something like that...
Anyway, today as of January 8, barrel of crude oil is less than $ 50, few days ago was $31$ !!!
And United Airlines still charging for even first baggage !!!! Why?! How can they do that?!
I don't see any reason now for them to continue doing that?! Do you?
How they explain now that " surcharge fee" - baggage fee?
In my opinion, it's not fair at all! At least, they should stop charging for first baggage, at least!

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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 155 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

UA is not the only carrier doing this and I don't see this changing anytime soon. The carriers have found a revenue source, pretty lucrative from the stats I have heard, and they will not let this go.

User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3635 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Thread starter):
It was kind of understandable, in July we had barrel of oil $147$ !!! And that was their explanation, " that was surcharge for high oil prices" , something like that...
Anyway, today as of January 8, barrel of crude oil is less than $ 50, few days ago was $31$ !!!
And United Airlines still charging for even first baggage !!!! Why?!

They still haven't even come close to recovering the losses they absorbed when oil first went up. Many of the people flying during the highest oil prices bought their tickets months before when oil wasn't as high, so the extra fuel cost wasn't priced into their ticket.

Also, I believe United is one of the airlines that ended up hedging badly, so they're effectively paying above market for fuel now (they're not, but they took a loss on the hedges that's equivalent).

In the short term (i.e. now) they're still recouping the fuel-related losses they took. That said, this is a lucractive revenue stream as NW noted, and I don't see them letting it go.

Quoting Airsrpska (Thread starter):
How can they do that?!

They're a private company and the government doesn't regulate what they can charge...they can do whatever they want in this regard.

Quoting Airsrpska (Thread starter):
In my opinion, it's not fair at all!

Which is why you're completely entitled to fly another airline. I understand your frustration (I *hate* a la carte pricing) but it's not an issue of fairness or "rightness"...in the US we're blessed (and cursed) with a huge number of airlines. There are invariably choices and passengers are free to pick the airline that provides the services they want at a price they're willing to pay, if they can find one. United is, clearly, not a good option for you, but that doesn't mean it's not a good option for others.

Tom.


User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

The baggage fees are never going away.

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3606 times:



Quoting Jfrworld (Reply 3):

I think you're right saddly. I hope when (and if) the Pax bill of rights is passed, the ticket is required to include bags x2. It won't happen, but one can hope.

Dave



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User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Which is why you're completely entitled to fly another airline. I understand your frustration (I *hate* a la carte pricing) but it's not an issue of fairness or "rightness"...in the US we're blessed (and cursed) with a huge number of airlines. There are invariably choices and passengers are free to pick the airline that provides the services they want at a price they're willing to pay, if they can find one. United is, clearly, not a good option for you, but that doesn't mean it's not a good option for others.

Quoting NW (Reply 1):

I just wanna say that is not fair and that's it! Everyone needs to care at least one baggage, everyone, no matter where you flying and how long?! So, they taking advantage of passengers needs, that is my point.


User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Of course, I have other airline company to choose, for that route BWI-ORD, I mean, Baltimore- Chicago, I can go with American Airlines, plus Southwest( MDW Airport).
But, AA doing the same and WN doesn't charge but their air fares are much more tha UA's or AA's!


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3553 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 1):
UA is not the only carrier doing this and I don't see this changing anytime soon. The carriers have found a revenue source, pretty lucrative from the stats I have heard, and they will not let this go.

 checkmark  Exactly...UA alone is projecting $250m in revenue just from baggage fees next year.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3526 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Thread starter):
In my opinion, it's not fair at all! At least, they should stop charging for first baggage, at least!

Well they will as long as people like you keep supporting them. I decided long ago that UA was no longer worthy of my business, and I no longer give it to them. I suggest you do the same, and support carriers with more to offer you as a consumer.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Baggage fees aren't related to the fuel surcharges. They are two separate entities.

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3464 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
Baggage fees aren't related to the fuel surcharges. They are two separate entities.

I thought baggage fees introduced in part to help the airlines cope with the hostile business environment due to the high price of oil, since oil back then was ~$130 per barrel and was going to continue to rise.


User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

For UA, if you book the bag online when you check-in, the first bag is $12 instead of $15..


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Take two carry on's. I've taken a weeklong trip to the Grand Canyon with only a mid-sized backpack and a large roll a board. The only trips in the past year or so where I have checked a bag was a trip to Costa Rica and Alaska, both were long and required me to check something. I've taken almost 8 overnight trips in the past year. Point is, it isn't necessary to check a bag in most cases. Get by with less. My other suggustion is if you fly UA often enough, you could become an elite and have no bag fees.

Quoting PlateMan (Reply 11):
For UA, if you book the bag online when you check-in, the first bag is $12 instead of $15..

Only through January 31st.  Sad


User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3301 times:



Quoting Jfrworld (Reply 3):

Well, you are right, I shouldn't supporting them and will try not to do in future.
But, reason why I choose them six out of seven trips last year was because they had best schedule flights on both ways.
And airline company that they can't survive without charging passenger first bag, they don't deserve to be and stay in business.
Here is other examples:
I flew last year to my homeland, ex-Yu, and my round trip was:
IAD-ZRH( with United) and ZRH-BEG( Swiss Air)
return: BEG-VIE(Jat Airways) and finally VIE-IAD(Austrian Airlines)
The only one flight were I was charged for alcohol beverage was you guess, on United flight 936, IAD-ZRH !!! $6 beer, vine, and so on... on all other flights was free!!!
Same happened in 2007 , I was on same way to ex-Yu, flights:
IAD-FRA( United); FRA-BEG( Lufthansa) BEG-FRA(Jat Airways) and FRA-IAD(Lufthansa)
In 2006, I flew with Air France on all four flights, there was no charge for alcohol beverage at all!


User currently offlineGXMan From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

I don't think the baggage fees are going away. The fee has only made me choose to fly more on the carriers with whom I have elite status as they waive the baggage fees.

What iritates me most about the baggage fees is how much they have slowed down the security and boarding process. In the past six months I've noticed many people getting stopped by TSA because they pack more than the 1-quart of liquids, gels, etc. I've also noticed that more customers can't find room in the overhead so there are delays as the F/As have to get the bags up to the front to be gate checked.



Steve
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

I posted a thread about the inordinate amount of carry-on luggage being brought onboard nowadays and asked if it has slowed turn-around times due to slow boarding.

It has.

Instead of friendly a "Welcome Aboard" by flight attendants, cabin crews must now be strict hall monitors and scrutinize every single passenger to make sure they are not using one cubic millimeter of space they are not entitled to. Passenger boarding has become so painful and laborious it is a wonder planes EVER get off the ground.

At least Frontier Airlines - and maybe more now - are offering the chance to pay that fee at the time of purchase. Why with most airlines it can only be paid at the airport, slowing down the check-in line, is beyond me - wouldn't it make more sense to offer that at the time of purchase and get that non-refundable money up front?

Here's a thought: Do you think airlines have any part in keeping that ridiculous liquids ban in place? Since it necessitates checking bags for most travellers, it ensures revenue income.

However, let's not place the blame totally on the airlines - price is the only factor is determining the public's choice of airline, so deep discounts continue to be offered...with all the extras that used to be taken for granted now "additional charge". A $350 ticket is too much, but $320 is okay...even if that $30 "savings" gets paid to the airline in the manner of bags fees, "I still paid less for my ticket than other people did!!"



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3233 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 13):
And airline company that they can't survive without charging passenger first bag, they don't deserve to be and stay in business.

That would be something like 80% of the airline capacity in the US then...

by the way....If you were asking if UA charges for luggage on international flights no they do not and never have.



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User currently offlineGXMan From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3226 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
Here's a thought: Do you think airlines have any part in keeping that ridiculous liquids ban in place? Since it necessitates checking bags for most travellers, it ensures revenue income.

No, I don't think the airlines want anything that impedes travel if they have a choice. The liquid ban predates the baggage charges.

Anyone else get annoyed when they see a fellow passenger put their carry-on in the overhead width-wise instead of length-wish (where the bin was designed for length loading)? There are F/A announcements while boarding and even a little diagram on the bin.

I think the baggage fee is here to stay because the airlines have found a new source of revenue and general public only looks at the cost of the ticket when they book it. I don't think they'd pay for the baggage fee at time of ticketing. I know that CO lets you pay for the baggage fee when you check-in online, I wonder how many choose to do so.



Steve
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3208 times:



Quote:
Anyone else get annoyed when they see a fellow passenger put their carry-on in the overhead width-wise instead of length-wish (where the bin was designed for length loading)? There are F/A announcements while boarding and even a little diagram on the bin.

ME!! And you can say it 10,000 times, including to their face, and they still won't get the message.

Quote:
I know that CO lets you pay for the baggage fee when you check-in online, I wonder how many choose to do so.

Frontier has three options when booking, one of which includes baggage check and DirecTV included for $20 more.

Regardless of how many people use it, it can NOT be that expensive to the website or the computer to add that as an option. In the name of check-in efficiency, even just a few people having paid the fee ahead of time would certainly speed things up!!



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User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3167 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 9):
That would be something like 80% of the airline capacity in the US then...

by the way....If you were asking if UA charges for luggage on international flights no they do not and never have.


I know that they don't charge for luggage for int'l flights, do you know why?
Because , in that case, they would have EMPTY BIRD !
By the way, UA was the first airline to start that charge, why they had to be first!?
Why they once again, must charge for alcohol beverage on their int'l flights when their Star Alliance partner,LH don't do that?! How you will explain that?


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3152 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
by the way....If you were asking if UA charges for luggage on international flights no they do not and never have.

Does that include Mexico and Canada too?

What if you fly MCI-DEN-CUN? I'm assuming no bag fees on that right?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3143 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 19):
By the way, UA was the first airline to start that charge, why they had to be first!?

UA started charging passengers to check their second bag back on May of 2008 when the cost of oil was spiraling out of control UA had two choices raise fares or start charging people for the services they use. As for charging for the first bag AA started that particular craze....

Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 19):
Why they once again, must charge for alcohol beverage on their int'l flights

For the same reason that CO, DL, AA & US charge for alcohol on international flights its an additional revenue stream that the airlines at the time needed in order to cope with $145+ barrels of fuel. LH, BA, AF were all largely insulated from that high of a cost of fuel and were never forced to make the same decisions that the US industry has had to make.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

How many more threads do we need for people to complain about paying for a service they CHOSE? Don't like the bag fee, take your business elsewhere, take the bus, rent a car, a train, whatever. Let's face it, 95% of the flying public books whichever airline is at the top in Orbitz, regardless of baggage policy. Airlines are thus pressured to discount the fare as much as possible, and by charging extra for the bags not only do they undercut the competition but also generate revenue. The passenger wins regardless--you get a cheaper fare and only pay for the bags if you have to bring one. Why should I pay more if I don't check any bags? And the cost of carrying the bag is not limited to just fuel by the way; the infrastructure needed to sort and load/off-load the bags (baggage carts, storage room, personnel, etc) costs a lot of money. To think about the cost of fuel only when talking about bag fees is to dismiss about 2/3 of the cost associated with the handling of one bag.

Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 13):
$6 beer, vine, and so on... on all other flights was free!!!

Again, if you didn't like them the first time why use them again? You can fly LH, AF, OS, BA, etc, no one forced you to fly UA did they? I use UA a lot domestically but when flying abroad (e.g. to LHR) I pony up the extra $$ to fly VS or AF instead. The average passenger doesn't look at it that way, though. They'd rather save the $30-100 fare difference (and waste it on fast food at the airport most likely) then complain about the "horrible" experience. Look at fares 20 years ago and look at them today, we are still flying for relatively cheap, not to mention the fact that flying from A to B is much more convenient, faster, and sometimes even cheaper than the non-flying alternatives.

My $0.02.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 10):
I thought baggage fees introduced in part to help the airlines cope with the hostile business environment due to the high price of oil, since oil back then was ~$130 per barrel and was going to continue to rise.

The fuel surcharges were specifically introduced for that reason.

The baggage fees are just another revenue stream. The rising cost of doing business (chiefly due to fuel) was the reason why the airlines decided to look at other ways like luggage fees and food for purchase to boost revenue.

They are different but kinda interrelated. I don't see baggage fees going away though the fuel surcharge might if prices stay low for long enough.


User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 155 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2989 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 22):
LH, BA, AF were all largely insulated from that high of a cost of fuel and were never forced to make the same decisions that the US industry has had to make.

How were they insulated?


25 Tdscanuck : These two sentences are contradictory...UA obviously provides you with a service at a cost (total cost) you feel is valid because you keep flying it.
26 F9Animal : I agree with you on this, however... My thought process would be: It took several months for airlines to go this route, and they took a major hit wit
27 Flamedude707 : Airlines have always paid customers for lost luggage, that doesn't change with the new fees.
28 Frontierflyer : Just flew ELP-LAX via PHX on US for 160.00 last minute. WN wanted 268.00. WN brags they don't charge fees but the price difference on the fares is ge
29 Davescj : But ultimately, the same stupidity. Charge what the product costs or be done with it. Which they are no longer, so the justification no longer exists
30 Airsrpska : Nobody didn't forced me to fly with UA again, you right about that. Why I did choice them again? Hm... Let me try to explain that to you... As you ca
31 Uadc8contrail : some of you have alluded that the price of oil has gone down so jet fuel must as well!!!....guess again...jet fuel is nothing more than diesel and is
32 747srule : I flew United LAX-GRR RT on 12/28/08 and1/7/09 and paid $15 per leg.
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