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American Adds Service At SAN  
User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1484 times:

I was looking at AA schedules in the future, trying to see whether they were planning to reinstate the 767 Flagship Service on the SAN-JFK route. I found no evidence that they were, but also found that, in July, American will begin offering a third nonstop flight from San Diego to New York - Kennedy every business day. There will be 3 737-800 flights M-F (one SAN-JFK flight will be a 757), and 2 flights, 1 757, 1 738, on weekends. The new service will include a redeye to JFK, departing SAN at 10:30 pm, and a noon departure from JFK to SAn Diego. In all, the weekday schedule will consist of the following:

SAN-JFK:
8 am - 4:13 pm (757)
12:40 pm - 9:01 pm
10:30 pm - 6:47 am

JFK-SAN:
8:30 am - 11:28 am
12:00 pm - 2:54 pm
6:15 pm - 9:28 pm

This information is from Travelocity.



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User currently offlineRWally From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 555 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1405 times:

Do you happen to have the flight numbers on those?

User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1392 times:

Yes... In the order the flights are listed above (by departure time), the flight numbers are:

SAN-JFK:
160
282
228

JFK-SAN:
281
227
127

127/160 was the original flight (slighly retimed), and 281/282 is the second flight currently operating. 227/228 is the new one.

It looks like they are also doubling SAN-BOS service to twice daily, both 738s. Those flights are:

SAN-BOS
226 Dep. 8:45 am Arr 5:22 pm
276 Dep. 1:45 pm Arr 10:15 pm

BOS-SAN
277 Dep. 9:30 am Arr 12:42 pm
225 Dep. 6:00 pm Arr 9:17 pm


User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1389 times:
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I'm glad to see AA adding flights, even with smaller aircraft. Perhaps they are hoping to head off JetBlue to the redeye market with the night flight. Delta, I noticed, has been shrinking the size of their SAN-JFK flight. Originally a 767-300, it's now a 757, and soon to be a 737-800. Will they cut the service, possibly add another flight, or direct future expansion to BOS? (Where AA will add a second daily BOS-SAN flight in April)

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 1353 times:

The jetBlue theory you have is an interesting one...I had not thought of that. Also, the aircraft usage on the DL JFK is interesting. Maybe they will add another flight...I think that for only one flight a day a 738 might be a little too small.

Continental Airlines is also adding a 4th daily 73G flight to EWR during the summer months. All of the other flights are on 738s.

I really hope AA adds MIA to the SAN route map soon. The route would be hugely popular as it would be the only nonstop connection between San Diego and Florida.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 1343 times:

I don't agree that a MIA-SAN flight would be all that successful - the average daily passenger count on that route in the 2nd quarter of 2000 was only 137 (at a fare level of $285 each way) while 198 went SAN-FLL at an average fare of $208. You could probably fill the flight if the fares were low enough (remember, you won't get all 137) but then it doesn't end up being a terribly profitable route. The yields SAN-EWR and SAN-BOS are *much* better.

User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

ScottB where do you find information on daily passenger counts and average fares?

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

A daily AA 737-800 flight from San Diego to Miami woUld be profitale if the loads arent too good. It would serve as connection point to the southeast ,Forida in particual and also for passengers going to South America and the Caribbean .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Probably got it off this one. Go to 2ndQ 2000 Table 6. It gives the most info.

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/domfares.htm


User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

I am surprised that there are not severe congestion delays at SAN. Is that airport nearing operational capacity? It has only one runway for commercial aviation it seems that several cariers have significant opperations there.


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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Well during peak times like mornings, late evenings, and increasingly midday gate space is at a premium. If you go to SAN in the mornings you will find many many planes at remote parking spots

The runway is also getting busier, but has not reached capacity yet. So the problem that I think will have the most impact on the airlines is gate restrictions.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 853 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

AA did offer a nonstop SAN-MIA flight about 6 or 7 years ago,but unfortunately it was discontinued as well as AUS-MIA and FRA-MIA.

User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

The Transcontinental US market ceases to amaze me. Even when our economy can be "slowing down" and we can be in the "off-peak season", carriers still find more and more people willing to fly from the West Coast to the East Coast. This year, TWA, Delta, JetBlue, and now American have all added transcons to California.

User currently offlineTheCroupier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

What you guys really need in San Diego is a nonstop to San Antonio!

User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
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Yeah, you're right about American's former service on the SAN-MIA route. They briefly flew 767s twice a day.
Didn't last long. I wouldn't be surprised if 738 flights were successful, though.


Yes, SAN is overcrowded, but there doesn't seem to be much political will to build a new airport or significantly expand the size of the present one. There's an airport master plan you can check out at the official SAN site, which includes adding a new terminal on the north side of the airport, and adding a second runway if land comes available.(Someone more technically inclined can throw up a link) Perhaps it might be better to relocate the entire airport, but most of the options require the use of military land which the various branches of the armed services do not want to give up.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
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I'm sure that Southwest will introduce flights to San Antonio sooner or later!

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