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ATL Int'l Terminal In 2011, South Terminal In 2015  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

Well, looking at ATL's new website, it looks like that the Jackson International Terminal will now be completed in 2011, and the future South Gate Complex has been pushed back to 2015.

The Jackson International Terminal (including Concourse F) is a must for Delta, as Delta needs more space to accomodate more of DL's 777s and NW's A330s, 747s, and upcoming 787s. Concourse E is very packed at peak times, that DL has to use Concourse T for some departing international flights that use 767s. The A330s, 747s, 777s, and 787s cannot use any other gates than Concourse E.

Also, the South Gate Complex seems like an interesting idea. It should consist of 70 gates, and I am thinking that AirTran might be a major tenant of that new terminal. DL will probably stick to the main concourses though.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Currently airlines not named (or owned) by Delta occupy 47 gates in the T, C and D piers, so by making it 70 gates, you'd have room for expansion, both for FL (who has 22 of their own gates on the C Concourse, plus probably use at least 8 gates on the D Concourse), other carriers (though an extra gate wouldn't be all too necessary for most carriers, save maybe AA and CO who might want one more to give them 5), and new carriers (could be the break that gets WN into ATL), all while still leaving open gates for potential new carriers.

This would most likely mean that Delta will have T, A, B, C, D and E all to themselves, while F is used by international carriers (AF, LH, BA, KL, AM, JM, KE) with DL also using some of these gates. Should that happen, DL would have exclusive use of nearly 150 gates, which is a staggering amount of gates.


User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2471 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Just out of curiosity where do they plan on putting this? Will it be an extension of E? Or will it be its own separate building?

I pulled up atlanta-airport.com and i couldn't find a darn thing about it.

Link por favor?

xjr



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7366 times:



Quoting Xjramper (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity where do they plan on putting this?

My understanding is that it will go where the large, cleared out area is in this link: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...932&spn=0.008289,0.015621&t=h&z=16

Not 100% sure if it will be physically connected to E, but it will be connected to the tram system.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

So are they going to move all or part of the Delta Jet Base to make room for the Jackson?? WOW.

The South Gate addition I will believe when I see groundbreaking. I am glad they have a contingency for additional space but lets be realistic about traffic growth and bond revenues over the next 2 to 5 years.... I see big MINUS signs for both.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7237 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):
So are they going to move all or part of the Delta Jet Base to make room for the Jackson?? WOW.

Delta TechOps isn't moving. While they may be losing part of their parking lot to the new terminal, those spaces have been replaced by the parking deck DL had built a few years back. The only buildings torn down for this terminal were the old control tower, the old USPS facility, and the cargo building used by CO, US, and BA (which was originally built by Eastern) The new terminal will only have 12 gates, all of them south of the new control tower.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Well, looking at ATL's new website, it looks like that the Jackson International Terminal will now be completed in 2011, and the future South Gate Complex has been pushed back to 2015.

I wouldn't take those dates as being solid. With the current economic climate, the airport has had trouble selling $600 million in bonds to help finance the $1.6 billion terminal. The airport and the City of Atlanta both have A+ bond ratings, but even safe investments like municipal bonds aren't getting many takers right now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/s...1/10/daily101.html?f=et50&ana=e_du

As for the South Gate Complex, 2015 is a bit optimistic, especially if the new international terminal gets delayed to 2012 or later. Other than a few renders and possible layouts, nothing concrete about the terminal has even been established. The number of gates for this terminal has ranged from 31 up to 70-something.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7124 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
The number of gates for this terminal has ranged from 31 up to 70-something.

Well, that only depends on whether or not it will include widebody gates. Since DL nor any international carriers are likely to move into that terminal, I wouldn't expect that it will feature widebody gates.

As far as I know, the design for the South Gate Complex will have two concourses attached to the main terminal. As for what name to give to it, I personally would call it the Candler Terminal, and it would include Concourses G and H.



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7004 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

Great news, I hope to use it alot!

Atlanta



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User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Will the South terminal be named Jackson as well? How about the new rental car complex?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6742 times:



Quoting N707PA (Reply 8):
Will the South terminal be named Jackson as well? How about the new rental car complex?

No on both items. The only terminal to be named after Maynard Jackson is the new International Terminal. The new car rental facility is being called the CONRAC (Consolidated Rental Car) facility.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6739 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
The Jackson International Terminal (including Concourse F) is a must for Delta, as Delta needs more space to accomodate more of DL's 777s and NW's A330s, 747s, and upcoming 787s. Concourse E is very packed at peak times, that DL has to use Concourse T for some departing international flights that use 767s. The A330s, 747s, 777s, and 787s cannot use any other gates than Concourse E.

DL needs more FIS gates period.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Also, the South Gate Complex seems like an interesting idea. It should consist of 70 gates, and I am thinking that AirTran might be a major tenant of that new terminal. DL will probably stick to the main concourses though.

FL doesn't need anywhere close to 70 gates. I'd say its likely DL will get all of T,A,B,C,D,E,F and we may see everyone more over to SGC. Like they did with the new north Term. in DTW. Adding 3-4 FIS gates for BA,KE,AF,KL.



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6652 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10):
DL needs more FIS gates period.

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And ATL needs a sixth runway in my opinion.  Smile

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6593 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 11):
And ATL needs a sixth runway in my opinion.

I agree if they are going to add 70+ gates they need to look at 1 maybe even 2 runways.



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6190 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 12):
I agree if they are going to add 70+ gates they need to look at 1 maybe even 2 runways.

Yeah, or ATL will start to look like a LGA with 777's.  Wink

Atlanta



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
The A330s, 747s, 777s, and 787s cannot use any other gates than Concourse E.

T is able to handle all those. In fact it has (other than 787 obviously) before E was built. They would have to reinstall FIS facilities, if they no longer exist in there.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Also, the South Gate Complex seems like an interesting idea. It should consist of 70 gates

They should make it large enough to handle growth, plus have the ability to handle the traffic on at least one of the existing concourses.

After completion, they should tear down the existing concourses one at a time, and rebuild new modern multi-level concourses in their place. The existing ones are a disgrace.

[Edited 2009-01-10 15:26:29]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5812 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Terminal will now be completed in 2011

I wouldnb't hold my breath. I love the fact that i'm a "Georgia boy" born and raised and am fortunate enough to remember spending Sundays with my dad at ATL on concourse A spotting with him or leaving Sandy Springs extra early and jumping on 285 to get to school on time. But the government in corrupt!

Quoting PITrules (Reply 14):
T is able to handle all those. In fact it has (other than 787 obviously) before E was built. They would have to re-install FIS facilities, if they no longer exist in there.

That is true. But like so many other concoruses, gates have been re-arranged to accomidate more a/c. I think the largest that T and A can get is the 764. And gates were re-done for it. Only certain gates on A can get the 764.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 14):
After completion, they should tear down the existing concourses one at a time, and rebuild new modern multi-level concourses in their place. The existing ones are a disgrace.

When was the last time you had and opportunity to pass through ATL? The concourses are VERY nice. The bathrooms had been re-designed some time in 2006 and completed last year. There is new tile throughout and siding. DL replaced pretty much all their old gate seating with the new blue seats. Even the underground had been redone with new siding and floors. The place looks awesome. Not to mention South terminal's face lift.

They invested a lof of money in the re-modeling project so I don't see a tear down and re-build anytime soon.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5766 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):

They invested a lof of money in the re-modeling project so I don't see a tear down and re-build anytime soon.

I agree but it'd be nice if they would repaint the outside though.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5512 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
Delta TechOps isn't moving. While they may be losing part of their parking lot to the new terminal, those spaces have been replaced by the parking deck DL had built a few years back. The only buildings torn down for this terminal were the old control tower, the old USPS facility, and the cargo building used by CO, US, and BA (which was originally built by Eastern) The new terminal will only have 12 gates, all of them south of the new control tower.

Right DL is only lossing some parking due to the new roads.
No Hangars or Cargo building owned and used by Delta will go anywhere.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6093 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5502 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):

They invested a lof of money in the re-modeling project so I don't see a tear down and re-build anytime soon.

I agree but it'd be nice if they would repaint the outside though.

I haven't been through ATL since 2004 so I'm sure allot has changed since then but is there any plan in the works to add some more windows?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5483 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
I haven't been through ATL since 2004 so I'm sure allot has changed since then but is there any plan in the works to add some more windows?

Nothing that I know of. Where do you think they need to add more windows? They have floor to roof windows at all the gates. (AFAIK)



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6093 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5456 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 19):
Nothing that I know of. Where do you think they need to add more windows?

Not so much out of E but I remember ATL as having very few windows to spot out of.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 19):
They have floor to roof windows at all the gates. (AFAIK)

I don't remember much in the way of glass at ATL, lots and lots of drywall but not much in the way of windows. There probably is one window at every gate though.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5375 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
I haven't been through ATL since 2004 so I'm sure allot has changed since then but is there any plan in the works to add some more windows?



Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
I don't remember much in the way of glass at ATL, lots and lots of drywall but not much in the way of windows. There probably is one window at every gate though.

Several years ago this was the case. What happened, when they re-arragnged a lof of the gates, there left a lot of "holes" which they filled with more glass. The spotting is much better than it use to be but for some gates, there are still cases where you have to either go on the far side to cath the a/c (mostly on D). Also, a lot of the "glass" the folks are seeing from the outside is not from the gates but office space, the back of resaurants and crew rooms/break rooms.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6093 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5360 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 21):
What happened, when they re-arragnged a lof of the gates, there left a lot of "holes" which they filled with more glass.

Very cool thanks for the reply.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5318 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
When was the last time you had and opportunity to pass through ATL? The concourses are VERY nice.

My one criticism from passing through there a couple weeks ago - they really ought to install some moving walkways in those concourses!



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User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
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When you compare ATL to many other major airports, it still feels like you are in a closed box. There are way too few windows. While I would love more windows for spotting, adding more would also make the terminals feel more open.

As for the South Complex, where in the world do they plan to put this? Would they have to move some of the short-term/daily parking lots?



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25 FlyASAGuy2005 : From what i've heard, that has been looked at several times over the years but they cited space issues as the concourses are so narrow as it is. That
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm not terribly familar with the properties surrounding ATL, but do they have the land to build more runways or is ATL boxed-in? I agree, the makeov
27 Post contains links and images Srbmod : The plans have always been to put the South Gate Complex here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...=0.008541,0.019312&z=16&iwloc=addr The original
28 DL777Dude : excuse my ignorance, but what is a FIS gate?
29 United1 : Federal Inspection Service IIRC ....basically a gate tied into the Customs and Immigration area.
30 PITrules : I'm through there all the time.Yes, the floors are nice. My main problem with the concourses is not so much their condition, but they are simply too
31 DeltAirlines : Not going to happen in the current concourses - simply not enough room. You add in moving walkways and an already crowded situation will become so mu
32 NorCal : It looks like the ground breaking is underway for both. Concourse F is well underway and it looks like they have made decent progress on the South ter
33 DeltaL1011man : and all they have to do is build a bridge og 285 like they did with 10/28
34 Srbmod : I was under the impression that the end-around taxiway for 9/27 would be build on the west end of the runways. The east end would be a more expensive
35 FlyASAGuy2005 : It will be very difficult. To the north is an absolut no go. To the south, there will be A LOT of real esate that will have to be re-claimed and acce
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