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Vanguard- Building A Better Airline  
User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Posted (13 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Vanguard's latest press release:

Building a Better Airline for Kansas City

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010328/cgw048.html

Had the chance to see the first of several MD80's yesterday at MCI. It is very nice. Great new livery and nice interior too (with buisiness class and even more legroom in both classes.) Can't wait to take a flight on one of them. Hopefully pictures will be posted here soon.

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User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Hey VNGD, lookin' good. One question though. What is with VNGD stock recently. The other day it traded at 200 shares at once the entire day, and today it did 300. Whats going on?

User currently offlineKav92373 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Do you know where I could find pictures of the new Vangard livery? It is about time that they got a new one.

User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

I think some were submitted to this site by at least one photographer within the past few days. Unfortunately there are none posted yet. Hopefully they'll be up soon.

As for NJ's stock, I follow it a lot and I have no clue, the trading seems pretty irregular lately. Some days several thousand shares traded some days only a few hundred shares.

As for the livery i wish I could explain it but it is very unique and hard to compare to another airline because I can't think of anything too similar. I guess we'll have to wait until pics are posted here or at NJ's website to see the new livery.


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

>>It is about time that they got a new one.

Not that I'm against shooting a new livery and new aircraft, but what do you mean it's about time? They just recently (what is it, 3-4 years?) changed liveries.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea since they seem to want to change their image. Hopefully get a chance to see the new MD-80 at LGA this Sunday.

Michael


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

I agree Mikephoto's, I do like the current 737 livery, it is much better than the original (almost all white) very bland livery reminiscent of when NJ started up. As of now the 732's are going to stay in the current livery and only the MD80s will have the new livery & business configuration. If you do see it at LGA I think you'll agree it is nice- get some good photos.  Smile

User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Maybe I should clarify:

The OLDEST livery (all white with small pinkish-red font)was bland.

The NEWER livery (blue-belly with large burgundy font) is better.

and the NEWEST livery (solid colored tail & rear, a ribbon of color and white front end with large red font) is Awesome and I think portrays a great new image of the future.


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Here is a link to Kansas City TV Station KCTV 5's news article & video clip including shots of the MD80.

http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.aspS=283606&nav=1PuZ


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Sorry that one didn't work, try this one:

http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=283606&nav=1PuZ


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Nice job! The livery looks great - lots better than old one. From what I could see on the clip, the interiors look pretty nice too. Potter is right - they do have to spend money to make money. Here's to their future.

As an aside -Vngd4me - I've seen your posts here and on other boards. Vanguard is fortunate to have employees such as yourself who demonstrate real enthusiasm for the company. Keep up the good work, we'll be flying you soon.
GB in KC.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

I hope Vanguard does well with this new facelift . I've never flown this carrier but I really like there spirit , and hopefully with there newest business plan the will start making a profit . By the way the new livery does look great and really smart on the Md-80 .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineGoallegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

I'll admit it - I've always stayed away from Vanguard. No good reason - just a worry that it was the next ValueJet waiting to happen. And I always wondered about maintenance, and the 737-200 fleet. Probably unfair. I've checked the FAA Incident System (http://nasdac.faa.gov/asp/asy_fids.asp), and two things struck me. First, Vanguard seemed to have a relatively high number of incidents in 98 and 99 - 16 versus 27 for much larger Southwest. But, in fairness, most were routine maintenance issues, and many of those seemed to relate to landing gear faults and problems. But second, the system has no data for 2000 or 2001, for Vanguard or any other airline. So, my questions are: Are Vanguard's maintenance practices good (e.g., does it hire out maintenance, etc.), and does anyone know why there is no 2000 or 2001 data on the FAA Incident System?

User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

The new changes at Vanguard look really nice. Those MD-80's look great with a nice interior, business class, and a nice livery. I really hope Vanguard will turn a profit soon because they're keeping fares low here in the Midwest. I hope to fly them soon.

BH346



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

NJ's maintenance has been regarded as one of the best in the industry. Though the planes are relatively old, this effects on-time rates not safety. NJ has never had a serious injury or fatality. And uses its own maintenance employees in MCI and I believe also in MDW. Other cities are contracted if needed I believe. I'm not an expert on maintenance so perhaps someone else would be better to comment.

As for the FAA database I thought that was strange too, I don't think that they update it very often because I do rememember checking it several times last year & don't believe it offered much up to date info at that time either.


User currently offlineIronchain15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

That MD-80 looks great. I hope to see one on April 1.

User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

I know Vangard is planing on recieving more MD80s so I have two questions.
1. Is Vangaurd going to repaint their 737-200s and reconfigure the seats with first class?
2. Is Vangard planning on replacing all their 737-200s with MD80s?



"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Where are the MD80s coming from?

The look nice, even with the coveted "winged headrests" in both classes.

I wish them all the best.


User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

http://www.flyvanguard.com/pressreleasedetail.asp?ID=144 Here is their press release for when they announced that they were getting the MD-80s. They are firm on 6 from Pegasus Aviation and have options for a further 2. I don't who the planes flew for before Vangaurd though.


"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman
User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Where are the pics for these planes?? Anyone here know??

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Go Vanguard!!!!

If anyone can't play the video or doesn't have the time, I captured some stills from it and made a quick web page: http://www.geocities.com/mls515.rm/vanguard/

Since they are from a compressed video, I must warn you that they are of low quality, but good enough for you to get a good general idea of what the new MD-80s look like.

I must say I like the livery that's now on the 732s
Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Aric Thalman

better than then new MD-80 livery, but really, I could care less. Long live Vanguard Airlines.

mls515


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

No pics posted here yet but you can see some shots on the link posted above at KCTV5. Watch the video for some pretty good interior & exterior shots.
In case you missed the link above- Here it is again:
http://www.kctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=283606&nav=1PuZ

As for the 732's no final word on a new paint job or reconfiguration yet. I believe there will be a mixed fleet for quite some time but the oldest of the 732s are being phased out.


User currently offlineVngd4me From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Thanks Mls515 for posting that.

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

No problem. "Capturing" sounds complicated, but all it involves is a picture editor (edit -> paste) and the "Print Screen" keyboard key. Had to view the video on full screen mode to make it work though.

BTW, put you on my respected users list because I like you and your airline.

later,

mls515


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Now there are some higher quality photos on the page, courtesy of Vngd4me:

http://www.geocities.com/mls515.rm/vanguard/


mls515


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 1413 times:

God speed to Vanguard. If they are still in the position, as CEO Potter put it, to "spend money to make money," then they have possibilities. On balance, I'd say NJ is here to stay. However, there are pluses and minuses to the new strategy.

First and foremost is the reality that Kansas City is not a huge business center like New York (JetBlue) or Atlanta (AirTran), the two airlines the revamped Vanguard brings to my mind. This has two implications, I think, for a low-fare airline that wants to prosper at a a large-end medium-hub airport where other carriers have failed.

One, the high-yield O&D base is not huge. Installing a business class is risky for a carrier based at MCI. AirTran's business class has the enormous Atlanta corporate base to draw from. Not to mention an already-established reputation for low-fares and numerous destinations (35 is very good for a low-fare carrier today that isn't WN). I haven't read the details of Vanguard's business plan, but when I lived in the KC area ten years ago, I don't remember it being a big corporate center.

Second, 150-seat aircraft like the M80 (142, I think as NJ configures) are big for the KC market. JetBlue has the gargantuan metro New York catchment population to fill its 160-seat A320's. Part of New Braniff's failure at MCI was attributed to its overuse of 150-seat 727's. Again, I haven't read Vanguard's business plan, but MD-80s are ambitious aircraft. They're probably going to need some connecting traffic to keep M80's full. As one person on the KCTV story said, Vanguard isn't very visible elsehwere, so they'll need to really aggressively promote themselves in their other markets. 717s or 73G's, it seems to me, might be more suited to the KC market.

Again, God speed to Vanguard, may they succeed in becoming a strong low-fare airline that can anchor a reasonable fare structure in the KC market for the long term. The new paint scheme is snazzy too. But they'll need to overcome the obstacles discussed above to do it.

Jim




Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
25 Goingboeing : DCA-ROC - have to dispute a couple of points. Loads on all airlines out of MCI are surprisingly good. There are some pretty major corporations based o
26 Post contains links Mikephotos : Looking at the excellent photos provided by Mls515 and Vngd4me, the reg appears to be N16802. That is an ex-Continental MD-82. Can't wait to get shots
27 ABQ757 : Sounds like Vanguard is on the up and up. I remember when I first saw Vanguard for the first time at DEN. It's too bad that Southwest has the ABQ-MCI
28 ScottB : I agree that the new plane looks nice - but it also looks a lot like National Airlines' livery IMHO. And I think they made a good decision in getting
29 Post contains images TWFirst : I'm bummed Vanguard is leaving MSP. My company flies them a lot to our plant in KC.
30 DCA-ROCguy : Goingboeing--good point about Midwest Express. I forgot about their MCI buildup. A business class--especially one that features chocolate chip cookies
31 Ironchain15 : The MD-80 in the picture is definitely an ex-CO plane with that registration. I believe some of the -80's are coming from Reno's fleet, which are now
32 CactusA319 : It's great that NJ is opening up new routes to major buisness markets (i.e. LGA and SFO) but they're going to have to offer more frequencies. They on
33 Srbmod : I like the new Vanguard livery, it looks rather professional. The 737 livery just looks old and tired. Vanguard has really taken a beating at ATL, due
34 Roberson : DCA-ROCguy- According to the Vanguard press release, they plan to configure the MD-80s with 118 coach and 14 business class seats. The number of coach
35 Logos : That is one sharp looking livery - well done! I hope they do well (at least better than everyone else who's tried to put a hub at MCI). Time will tell
36 DCA-ROCguy : Roberson--thanks for the reminder on NJ M80 seat configuration. You hit another very important point: reducing flights to less popular destinations. T
37 Post contains links Vngd4me : Here are a few more shots, kinda tiny but you get the picture: http://www.flyvanguard.com/home.asp
38 Post contains links Vngd4me : Oops, that should be: http://www.flyvanguard.com/md80.asp
39 AeroGlobeAir7 : Vanguard has three photos of the new MD-80 in the livery at their website, www.flyvanguard.com. It's a cool livery! But I liked the old one too!
40 AeroGlobeAir7 : I wonder if Northwest competition on the MCI-MSP route was part of the reason for their pull out as well. I know the two have been competing on the ro
41 Roberson : Also, it looks like fares on NJ are a little bit higher than the competition (Frontier, United) DEN-MCI, so it looks like they are filling planes (at
42 Twaneedsnohelp : Yeah, I'm against the new Business Class, I think that unless its only slightly cheaper and with very few extras it will work, but if they try and cha
43 Travatl : I must say, until this revamp, I had given up Vanguard for dead....BUT this looks like a Management Team who is ready to get serious about making this
44 Toxtethogrady : ...and IAD. Bums on seats, lads, bums on seats...
45 Roberson : Looks like there will be some extra legroom on Vanguard's MD-80s. I calculate something like two rows missing from the typical configuration for 142 p
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