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User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

All,

I've just heard word that I've been accepted by the FAA for an Air Traffic Control Position out of the Oakland ARTCC in Fremont, California.

My Tentative Offer Letter said that I'd be spending approximately 16 weeks at ground school in Oklahoma City. I was wondering if that would complete my training period, or if there would be more training at my facility. The academy's webpage is somewhat vague. Also, for anyone who's been through the program, what are some excellent places to stay? I've been browsing the Student Center's Housing Page, and I like the Apple Tree-Walnut Grove-Spanish Gardens outfit, but I was wondering if anyone had stayed there and what their impressions were.

Also, is anyone else going to be in school starting the end of March? It would be cool to meet some other a.netters while I'm there! Never been to OKC, either, so if anyone has any sugggestions for what to do/see, they would be appreciated!

Any advice you can give a newbie? I already have my Bachelors Degree in Political Science, and I've been working on a Masters in Public Administration, so the school aspect of it is not too daunting. I scored an 89 on my ATSAT, and didn't realize there were any studyguides for the subject until the day of the test.

Any help is appreciated!


Long live Aer Lingus, the Flying Shamrock!
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User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Your time in OKC is only the beginning of your training. Going to a center you will be in training for years. I have no idea what the average is for Oakland center but my guess is easily 2 years of on the job training. Good luck with it all. Feel free to PM me about OKC. I went through a year and a half ago but for tower.

Dinker



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

As of 4 days ago I'm on the referral list, hopefully if I get picked I get to stay somewhere in FL! I'd like to hear some experiences on the OKC academy.

User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Congratulations!

I live about 1 mile away from the OAK-ARTCC in Fremont CA.
You will enjoy the Bay Area Air Traffic. Also you will see a lot of the International traffic headed for SFO; as many Flights will start to descend over the South Bay into SFO.

The ARTCC has a huge security fence.
Are you planning to live nearby?

Best Regards,

AMS


User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

I'm heading Los Angeles ARTCC in Palmdale but I haven't been given a class date as of yet. I would suggest looking at the forums at www.jetcareers.com

They have a lot of information about housing in Air Traffic Control forum.

Best of luck.


User currently offlinePER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Congrats

I'm starting ATC training here in Australia next month.

(For anyone interested, here it's 10 months classroom training, followed by 3-4 months field training)


User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2386 times:



Quoting AMS" class=quote target=_blank>AMS (Reply 3):
Congratulations!

I live about 1 mile away from the OAK-ARTCC in Fremont CA.
You will enjoy the Bay Area Air Traffic. Also you will see a lot of the International traffic headed for SFO; as many Flights will start to descend over the South Bay into SFO.

The ARTCC has a huge security fence.
Are you planning to live nearby?

Best Regards,

AMS

AMS,

Thanks for the reply. I do plan on living in the area. I currently live in Cypress, CA, which is about 400 miles South. I've lived in both Monterey and Sonoma, and I love the Bay Area. I'm looking at several housing options, but if you have any suggestions, feel free to PM me!

Brian



Long live Aer Lingus, the Flying Shamrock!
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2347 times:

Congratulations on your assignment.

Quoting EI A330-200 (Thread starter):
I was wondering if that would complete my training period, or if there would be more training at my facility.

Oh you'll get all the training than you can imagine at the facility when you return, much more. This probably goes without saying however, just to let ya know your training will never end!!!! I'm an ole gray vector machine still learning things each and every time I sit down at a control position, it never stops.  Smile

Quoting EI A330-200 (Thread starter):
Also, is anyone else going to be in school starting the end of March? It would be cool to meet some other a.netters while

I know of another a.netter who is going to OKC, just not sure when but I will find out and hook you guys up as I'm thinking it is a March time.

Quoting EI A330-200 (Thread starter):
Never been to OKC, either, so if anyone has any sugggestions for what to do/see, they would be appreciated!

Bricktown for starters, downtown and alot of placed to eat/drink. Now that OKC has been given an NBA team you have that going for ya as well as some excellent minor league baseball if you're into that. OKC is much different than when I was there in school before electricity.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2233 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2294 times:



Quoting EI A330-200 (Thread starter):
The academy's webpage is somewhat vague.

Get used to vague. You will see it throughout your FAA career.

Congratulations. I did TRACON and Center work. I preferred the Center. More variety.



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User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

All,

Thanks for the responses, both here and via e-mail. I'm really looking forward to this, I applied back in February as an Off The Streets applicant, so this is very exciting. Because I'm OTS, apparently I get a much longer stay in OKC than others who come in off a program.

If anyone else has more suggestions for things to do/see, let me know!

Brian



Long live Aer Lingus, the Flying Shamrock!
User currently offlineMeanGreen From United States of America, joined May 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I am currently a tower DEV, and I left OKC back in August. I'm not going to blow smoke... training is hard. The stuff in OKC is nothing like what it is going to be like when you get to your facility. My advice to you is to study the 7110.65 and know it before you leave OKC. Forget Bricktown just do that. Know phraseology like the back of your hand. I stayed at Legacy Crossing and had no problems. I want to tell you to enjoy OKC because when you get to your facility you get the pleasure of getting a training report done on you each day you're at work, and then on special days your supervisor will give you skills checks. I don't know much about enroute but the washout rate at D10 which is the closest TRACON to me is 60% (I was there a few days ago to monitor and that is what other DEVs told me). Be serious because they are serious. Good luck, try your hardest and you''ll be OK.

User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
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Hey MeanGreen, we may have seen each other out at OKC last year. I got out of there in mid July after finishing Tower Cab and I'm working at PHL now.

More accurately though, I am actually typing this from OKC. I'm one week in to RTF (Terminal Radar Training for those of you that don't know). What's been said here is very true. The academy presents you with fake airports/airspace to teach you the basics of working traffic. The Tower/RTF classes portray Level 8 facilities. Places like PHL and ZOA are the highest at Level 12 (the highest).

Operations at the academy are very simplified from real life operations. When you get out to ZOA you will have to learn the ins/outs and every nuance of their airspace (which will most assuredly be much more complex than the academy). Then you'll have to learn ZOA's SOP and all the LOAs with other facilities. Then you'll spend time training on each sector in your area. Actually, Centers are a strange place and have A-Sides, D-Sides, and R-Sides for each sector, and you must train on each. I don't really understand what each of those "Sides" does exactly since we don't need to worry about that stuff in the Terminal environment, but the rest of air traffic doesn't require 3 people to work one position.

My class ends on February 2 down here so I'll be long gone by the time you get to OKC. Being OTS only adds 5 weeks to your stay, which is the "Basics" class. Then you head in to the enroute class which is like 12 weeks.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

ZOA is a level 11 FAA facility. When you complete the OKC training you will begin training at ZOA.

Your initial pay should be in the ballpark of $44,000. After 25% of your training is complete, your pay will be in the ballpark of $56,000. After 50% of the training is complete, pay goes up to $68,500. When 75% is complete, pay is up to $80,000. When all of the training is complete, the pay will be about $93,000 at minimum and to $134,000 as a maximum.

All figures use the 2008 data.

Should take no more than a couple years to complete training.



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