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Bomb Threat Called On Emirates Flight, EK 600  
User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11288 times:

EK 600 from KHI to DXB had a bomb threat called in, though it seems after several hours of searching (post evacuation of crew who flew in from Dubai on the inbound) the plane was allowed to leave without incident.

What really irks me about this is that not only is the frequency of such hoax bomb calls being made specifically on flights out of Pakistan (SQ, BA and MH have had similar threats called) has increased sharply of late. From memory I know EK alone has had three bomb hoaxes on flights out of Pakistan in the past year - in fact, had a friend work a return from Islamabad and had a threat called in. Messed up her rostering for sure, as well as really adversely affecting passengers as well (be it missed connections, causing discomfort, inconvenience or otherwise) and this is not to mention the utter waste of resources.

Bomb hoax delays Emirates flight

KARACHI - A bomb hoax on Sunday delayed a flight EK-600 of Emirates Airline for three hours from the Quaid-e-Azam International Airport.
The bomb disposal squad made a thorough search of the aircraft and declared the plane out of danger. An unidentified caller informed Airport Security Force (ASF) from unknown place and warned that there was a bomb inside the plane which will be blow up before take off.
The bomb disposal squad (BDS), police contingent and ASF rushed to the scene. The BDS screened the whole aircraft, the luggage and evacuated the passengers including the plane crew but found nothing and the plane later left for Dubai. The Station House Officer (SHO) Airport police station Mehdi Khan told that it was a gossip call.
Police was unable to trace the caller because of non presence of CLI facility. However he added that the caller warned and further said, “It is up to you to consider the information seriously or not and switched off the phone.”

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne.../Bomb-hoax-delays-Emirates-flight/


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User currently offlinePilotRecruit From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11079 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Thread starter):
What really irks me about this is that not only is the frequency of such hoax bomb calls being made specifically on flights out of Pakistan (SQ, BA and MH have had similar threats called) has increased sharply of late. From memory I know EK alone has had three bomb hoaxes on flights out of Pakistan in the past year - in fact, had a friend work a return from Islamabad and had a threat called in. Messed up her rostering for sure, as well as really adversely affecting passengers as well (be it missed connections, causing discomfort, inconvenience or otherwise) and this is not to mention the utter waste of resources.

Do you think that circumstances like this could cause EK or possibly some of the other airlines to discontinue service there? There must be a point at which the revenue just doesn't out weigh the headaches and the subsequent snowball effect created by these hoax's.



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10831 times:



Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 1):
Do you think that circumstances like this could cause EK or possibly some of the other airlines to discontinue service there? There must be a point at which the revenue just doesn't out weigh the headaches and the subsequent snowball effect created by these hoax's.

I am sure if it wasn't profitable EK would pull out quick smart. A few events like this are not going to change that.

I doubt you will see EK pull out of Pakistan. The security issue is less applicable for EK as their crews just do turn-arounds. So, provided they can guarantee the safety of the aircraft and crew while they are on the ground, the service will continue. IMHO it would take a security crisis like Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan before EK pull out of Pakistan.


User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10766 times:
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Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 2):
IMHO it would take a security crisis like Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan before EK pull out of Pakistan.

Watch this space. Although it's fallen off the media spotlight recently, the west (well the US and UK) are targeting Pakistan as the harbour of terrorists. Apparently this is now where Al Qaeda's main hang out is.

I would expect as soon as a military campaign starts in the region all foreign offices will ban travel to the country and all foreign carriers will stop flying.

Funnily enough there is oil and gold in Pakistan, probably one of the reasons the UAE and Pakistan still form a close allegiance and why the west is looking for a reason to move in.

Just my  twocents 

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10636 times:

No way would EK withdraw from Pakistan, which is one of its biggest markets, and every single seat on that market is precious due to a restricted bilateral (which was just amended).
I hope that luggage and pax are screened properly in Pakistan due to avoid problems.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10385 times:



Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 1):

Do you think that circumstances like this could cause EK or possibly some of the other airlines to discontinue service there? There must be a point at which the revenue just doesn't out weigh the headaches and the subsequent snowball effect created by these hoax's.

I don't think EK is pulling out of Pakistan any time soon - the Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad (and to a lesser extent Peshawar) flights are also great feeders for Europe/US flights and from what I've heard cargo is also lucrative on these routes. Thankfully thus far these bomb threats have been hoaxes, but should any real security threats arise even for the hour or so the aircraft and crew are on Pakistani soil, then there might be a slim chance - but even then, added security measures would be put in place before a complete pullout is undertaken.

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 1):
I doubt you will see EK pull out of Pakistan. The security issue is less applicable for EK as their crews just do turn-arounds. So, provided they can guarantee the safety of the aircraft and crew while they are on the ground, the service will continue. IMHO it would take a security crisis like Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan before EK pull out of Pakistan.

Exactly, EK crew don't have the same issues that BA crews had with their ISB flight, and other airlines try to make it a point not to overnight crews in Pakistan, sometimes adding a tag on to the routing to do so. EK operated in and out of Pakistan even in the immediate aftermath of the Marriott bombings - crews didn't feel completely at ease about it, but being based in Dubai flying some of the routes that EK flies does desensitize one a bit to these kind of occurrences.

On a completely subjective note, EK also tends to roster more male flight attendants on flights to Pakistan (similar to what is in place for Saudi/Hajj flights, though no official rule is in place for Pakistan flights). There is a minimum requirement for two male cabin crew per any EK flight, but just an observation that there tend to be a bit more male crews rostered on these Pakistan flights - obviously that ebbs and flows per flight operated. Coincidence or calculated is anyone's guess.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):
No way would EK withdraw from Pakistan, which is one of its biggest markets, and every single seat on that market is precious due to a restricted bilateral (which was just amended).

Exactly, and that doesn't even take into account cargo revenue which I hear is quite lucrative.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 1):
Do you think that circumstances like this could cause EK or possibly some of the other airlines to discontinue service there?

Although you make a valid point, are there significantly more bomb hoaxes on flights from/to Pakistan than other countries?
These seem to happen every now and then pretty much everywhere on the planet and have yet to stop airlines to operate.

[Edited 2009-01-12 09:29:46]


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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9578 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 5):
On a completely subjective note, EK also tends to roster more male flight attendants on flights to Pakistan (similar to what is in place for Saudi/Hajj flights, though no official rule is in place for Pakistan flights). There is a minimum requirement for two male cabin crew per any EK flight, but just an observation that there tend to be a bit more male crews rostered on these Pakistan flights - obviously that ebbs and flows per flight operated. Coincidence or calculated is anyone's guess.

It's probably a calculated move-for cultural reasons I would say.
And you're right, Pakistan is probably second to India in terms of feeding the European/North American network, not to mention great O&D and strong yields, a better product than what the competition offers and the cargo revenue, which offsets any losses made in the passenger cabin.
If EK were to withdraw because of heightened security problems, then there would be a major vacuum in the market (flights are generally packed as they are) that it's ultimately in the Pakistani government's interests to keep EK in the market even if they want to protect PIA.

What I suggest EK does is that they do stringent security checks for luggage, screen passengers, the whole nine yards (give pax the El Al treatment).


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9276 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Thread starter):
EK 600 from KHI to DXB

EK 600 is DXB-KHI... Wink

Maybe it was EK-601 KHI-DXB.. scratchchin 

Actually I'll be on EK 600 in less than two weeks... yes 

My very first B77W flight...  veryhappy 

Quoting PilotRecruit (Reply 1):
Do you think that circumstances like this could cause EK or possibly some of the other airlines to discontinue service there?



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 5):

I don't think EK is pulling out of Pakistan any time soon



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):
No way would EK withdraw from Pakistan,

 checkmark ...they even want to send a 2-Class A380 there...



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8977 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
It's probably a calculated move-for cultural reasons I would say.
And you're right, Pakistan is probably second to India in terms of feeding the European/North American network, not to mention great O&D and strong yields, a better product than what the competition offers and the cargo revenue, which offsets any losses made in the passenger cabin.

While the crewing for Saudi (Hajj) flights are for calculated reasons, rostering for Pakistan flights are supposed to be normal - though you are probably right, many crew believe the same thing. I would say EK should employ a similar practice on fights to LOS as well.

Yields are deceptively better than what people might expect on these routes, more of a reflection of a lack of choices as a result of PIA as well.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
If EK were to withdraw because of heightened security problems, then there would be a major vacuum in the market (flights are generally packed as they are) that it's ultimately in the Pakistani government's interests to keep EK in the market even if they want to protect PIA.

Within the EK network, Emirates has dealt with a proportionally higher amount of threats of this nature from stations in Pakistan. Don't know how it's like for other foreign airlines operating to and from the country?

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
What I suggest EK does is that they do stringent security checks for luggage, screen passengers, the whole nine yards (give pax the El Al treatment).

Yeah that's all well and good, but flights would be leaving late all the time which would wreak havoc for the good percentage of connecting passengers in Dubai. That would also require additional training for cabin crew (or so has been told) and for a contingent of more than 10,000 rotating in and out of this would-be required special training, it sounds like it might be logistical nightmare.

Quoting PP705 (Reply 8):
Maybe the poor Y passengers who are treated like sh@t by the EK FAs have decided to hit back.

Oh that's so funny...  expressionless 



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User currently offlineEK-A380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8864 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 4):
No way would EK withdraw from Pakistan, which is one of its biggest markets, and every single seat on that market is precious due to a restricted bilateral (which was just amended).
I hope that luggage and pax are screened properly in Pakistan due to avoid problems.

Please can you provide more information on the amended bilaterals?

Does they give EK more rights in Pakistan, if so what is the revised allocation.

I always think its unfair for QR and EY to fly more than EK to Pakistan - should be a level playing field but somehow I think its got something to do with politics and relationship between Pakistan and Abu Dhabi for EY at least.

Some history would be good, look forward to response.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8419 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 11):
Yeah that's all well and good, but flights would be leaving late all the time which would wreak havoc for the good percentage of connecting passengers in Dubai. That would also require additional training for cabin crew (or so has been told) and for a contingent of more than 10,000 rotating in and out of this would-be required special training, it sounds like it might be logistical nightmare.

EK are known for strict security measures, and wouldn't compromise their Pakistan routes anyway. If they drew up a good strategy they could make it work-and should-customers won't be comfortable flying to Pakistan if an EK flight gets a bomb alert that often. Apart from the obvious PR factor, places like Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka should be on high alert anyway because if an EK flight is going to be bombed, then it's very likely that the flight will involve one of the aformentioned places than say, a flight originating in NCE or MXP.

Regarding the UAE-Pakistan bilateral-it was very restricted (since EK, EY and G9 are offering less frequencies than expected) but I'm 99% certain has been changed since PIA just changed its operations

. EK is currently flying
4x 777s to LHE,
5x 777s to ISB,
2x A332s to PEW (Peshawar)
and 28x weekly 777/332s to KHI
-bringing a total of 39 weekly flights into Pakistan.


G9 Air Arabia serves KHI 4x weekly and PEW 3x weekly using A320s from SHJ.
Dunno about EY's schedule into UAE but according to this outdated thread http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...s=UAE+Pakistan+bilateral#ID3323903 EY had more frequencies to Pakistan than EK. Will check the EY schedule though.

PIA recently revised its schedule into Dubai and now has
From ISB, its 2 weekly A 310s + 3 weekly B 773ERs + 2 weekly B 772ERs.

From LHE, its 2 weekly A 310s + 5 weekly B 772ERs.

From PEW, its 5 weekly B 772s + 2 weekly A 310s.

From LYP Faisalabad its 2x weekly B 733s originating in MUX and 1x B733 via LYP

From MUX Multan its 2x weekly 737-300 via Faisalabad LYP and 1x B733 originating in LYP

(The Multan/Faisalabad routings were difficult to read, it's 3x each anyway)
From EUT Quetta, its 2x weekly Boeing 737-300s

Total: 29 weekly flights

Anothing thing-I have a hunch that Abu Dhabi has closer ties with Pakistan than Dubai (pure speculation) hence EY may be getting more frequencies


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8122 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
EK are known for strict security measures, and wouldn't compromise their Pakistan routes anyway. If they drew up a good strategy they could make it work-and should-customers won't be comfortable flying to Pakistan if an EK flight gets a bomb alert that often. Apart from the obvious PR factor, places like Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka should be on high alert anyway because if an EK flight is going to be bombed, then it's very likely that the flight will involve one of the aformentioned places than say, a flight originating in NCE or MXP.

At EK of course safety is a paramount concern, and everything is done to ensure that it remains at the top. I was more responding to the the suggestion that perhaps El-Al type security measures should be implemented on EK operations out of Pakistan, which I feel as though would be much easier said than done. Won't really comment on what EK cities should have "high alert" notices on them, but there are certain routes where crew are briefed to be more vigilant (sometimes even specific flights on specific days) for a variety of different reasons.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8076 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 15):
At EK of course safety is a paramount concern, and everything is done to ensure that it remains at the top. I was more responding to the the suggestion that perhaps El-Al type security measures should be implemented on EK operations out of Pakistan, which I feel as though would be much easier said than done. Won't really comment on what EK cities should have "high alert" notices on them, but there are certain routes where crew are briefed to be more vigilant (sometimes even specific flights on specific days) for a variety of different reasons.

While obviously not as "tough" as security at say TLV, security is tough in places such as KHI. There are multiple security levels implemented the past few years.



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User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7980 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
What I suggest EK does is that they do stringent security checks for luggage, screen passengers, the whole nine yards (give pax the El Al treatment).

Even if they were to do this, they'd still have to investigate and inevitably delay and flight which received a bomb threat. I just don't think they'd say, "well we did our usual screening and found nothing, this must be a hoax" and just move on. It's unfortunate that some sick people have resorted to these types of things, real or not, but it is now part of the world we live in  Sad


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7872 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
While obviously not as "tough" as security at say TLV, security is tough in places such as KHI. There are multiple security levels implemented the past few years.

Agreed - from a crew's perspective, clearing security at LAX or SIN requires going through one check (communal at LAX, gate specific at Changi) while clearing security at MNL or DAC requires going through multiple checks, usually even to enter the terminal. I can't comment on any of the Pakistan airports as I've never gone through the terminal there.

I wasn't saying that security isn't up to par at airports such as KHI, I suppose I was thinking more of El Al measures along the lines of those interviews done by security agents at check in, isolated parking stands, comprehensive background checks, and other security measures taken by cabin crew in the air (along with added air marshall presence). It's just my impression that those kind of measures might be a bit of overkill to implement at EK.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6972 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 18):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
While obviously not as "tough" as security at say TLV, security is tough in places such as KHI. There are multiple security levels implemented the past few years.

Agreed - from a crew's perspective, clearing security at LAX or SIN requires going through one check (communal at LAX, gate specific at Changi) while clearing security at MNL or DAC requires going through multiple checks, usually even to enter the terminal. I can't comment on any of the Pakistan airports as I've never gone through the terminal there.

I wasn't saying that security isn't up to par at airports such as KHI, I suppose I was thinking more of El Al measures along the lines of those interviews done by security agents at check in, isolated parking stands, comprehensive background checks, and other security measures taken by cabin crew in the air (along with added air marshall presence). It's just my impression that those kind of measures might be a bit of overkill to implement at EK.

What's interesting in KHI is arrival pax can't "mingle" with departing pax. I'll try to take some photos to explain what I'm talking about. That being said, KHI security (which is actually the Pakistan Military) are tough on photographers and taking photos.

I'll be sly about it... sly 

At KHI...there is first level of bag checks/personal screening. Then immigration, then another set of bag checks and personal screening.


I don't really know how flight crew go through security. The majour problem with the airports in Pakistan is the fact politicians believe they should get a free "pass through" and not have to deal with security.

This is actually the reason PK can't fly nonstop to the USofA (but are allowed to fly nonstop USofA-Pakistan).

The Pakistan CAA and the FAA are trying to work on this, but until the "entitlement' of Pakistani politicians isn't ended, I doubt the FAA will allow PK to fly direct-and it well shouldn't.



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User currently offlineSL1200MK2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

I am sorry for not being keen to terrorist threats but I am curious as to who might be calling in these threats. Obviously I understand that if we knew specifically who was doing this we could do more about it but I am asking in general. Why is EK being targeted? Are they perceived as "The West"?

Thanks!


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6180 times:



Quoting SL1200MK2 (Reply 20):
I am sorry for not being keen to terrorist threats but I am curious as to who might be calling in these threats. Obviously I understand that if we knew specifically who was doing this we could do more about it but I am asking in general. Why is EK being targeted? Are they perceived as "The West"?

Bunch of retards truth be told.....PK has had a number of bomb threats as well.

Too bad they can't find them. I would love to have these people arrested and thrown in jail for 5-10 years....



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

We've seen a number of past incidents here where a passenger called in a bomb threat to delay the flight so he could catch the plane. Or the time when a passenger didn't want his girlfriend to depart for the destination so he called in a bomb threat to hopefully force the flight to be cancelled.

So, who knows...?



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5554 times:



Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
Quoting Directorguy (Reply 9):
What I suggest EK does is that they do stringent security checks for luggage, screen passengers, the whole nine yards (give pax the El Al treatment).

Even if they were to do this, they'd still have to investigate and inevitably delay and flight which received a bomb threat. I just don't think they'd say, "well we did our usual screening and found nothing, this must be a hoax" and just move on. It's unfortunate that some sick people have resorted to these types of things, real or not, but it is now part of the world we live in

If your security measure are way above the minimum (i.e. like El Al) you wouldn't need to take every threat with the same response we saw in this post. They wouldn't have to. You would take into account the how authentic the threat is and how credible it is. I will not go into details for obvious reasons.

Just curious has there ever been a bomb found after someone called in the threat? Unless the motive is ransom why would someone call in a bomb threat and have it found. That would defeat the purpose. These people who call in the threats are just trying to inconvenience people and get media attention.

The credible threats on aircraft and such do not get called in on public phone lines. They come from other sources.


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