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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Serbia's Jat Airways will be terminating its once most profitable route from BEG, effective 2nd February.

Operated by 737, the BEG to DXB service witnessed 6 weekly return flights in the "hey days", and has now been reduced to miserable two frequencies via LCA.

The reason apparently is the drastic price increase JU got from EK for interline tickets to onward destinations in Australia, New Zealand, Far East and South Africa. These regions all have massive Serbian expat population groups.

It remains to be seen who will now cash in on the Serb diaspora - OS no longer flies to Australia therefore a Middle Eastern carrier jumping in will not be a major surprise.

Rumors that QR is preparing to launch A320 flights between DOH and BEG ahead of its Australia services launch was recently joined by EY, also a new Australian market entrant, and also with A320 flights from AUH.

I do not see EK jumping in just yet, their A330s are simply to big - perhaps as an add on to another European gateway.

All in all, there goes JU's only medium haul service. What a shame  Sad


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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

What a shame indeed...it appears that DXB was an important place for JU. I read in a threat a few days ago that the Serbian government had been courting EK to takeover JU and BEG-obviously the DXB link was very important.

The A332s would be too big but would also have valuable cargo capacity. If EK started a BEG service it would be at a very low frequency-like 3x weekly. A QR 4x weekly A320 would be more suited, but EK would obviously have better onward connections.

My guess is that BEG will become another cash-cow territory for LH or Skyteam.

What was the history of the service? Was it always via LCA? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing at DXB 'Boarding now Jat Airways flight xxx Belgrade via Beirut'.....


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3325 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 1):
What a shame indeed...it appears that DXB was an important place for JU. I read in a threat a few days ago that the Serbian government had been courting EK to takeover JU and BEG-obviously the DXB link was very important.

DXB was indeed a very important destination for JU but the airline never had the right equipment to really make full "use" of the potential of this service, ie. one-stop service to other European capitals from DXB. That's why it mostly relied on EK transits and the admittedly sizable holiday traffic to the UAE.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 1):
My guess is that BEG will become another cash-cow territory for LH or Skyteam.

LH is now the second largest carrier to BEG besides JU, but it cannot offer a very convenient connection from BEG to Australia for example. Mid-east airlines will do far better in that field as they can offer a 1-stop BEG to Oz service for example.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 1):
What was the history of the service? Was it always via LCA? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing at DXB 'Boarding now Jat Airways flight xxx Belgrade via Beirut'.....

JU started flights to DXB originally in the 80s on their way to SIN/SYD/MEL with DC-10s. So this route has been on JU's route maps in the past. The Yugoslav wars ended that and brought JU back in 2003 when flights were operated via BEY. The subsequent war in Lebanon forced JU to fly to DXB via KWI, which was later dropped due to commercial reasons in favour of LCA.



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Very sad news for JU and for Belgrade. If Etihad can make Minsk work..(do they make that route work?) then i'm sure they could do it BG. For sure a A319 can do in non-stop to the mid-east. Although an Emirates A332 twice a week could be good surely? Bloody government in Serbia..Kill JAT or invest in it!!

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2962 times:



Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 3):
Although an Emirates A332 twice a week could be good surely?

From a spotters perspective, excellent! From a commercial perspective, perhaps in summer months. Don't forget that DXB route was mainly dependent on VFR traffic, but that was JU's fault, they did not bother to develop other potential sources of pax.

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 3):
Bloody government in Serbia..Kill JAT or invest in it!!

But that would be too easy. JU is stuck, in its self!



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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

I always thought this was an interesting route. In fact, wouldn't the LCA-DXB sector be one of the longest routes for a 733? I believe it clocks in at 4 hours 35 min.

User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
From a spotters perspective, excellent! From a commercial perspective, perhaps in summer months. Don't forget that DXB route was mainly dependent on VFR traffic, but that was JU's fault, they did not bother to develop other potential sources of pax.

Not to mention the cargo, which would be an added bonus. A

Quoting Planenutz (Reply 5):
I always thought this was an interesting route. In fact, wouldn't the LCA-DXB sector be one of the longest routes for a 733? I believe it clocks in at 4 hours 35 min.

I believe that LOT Polish and TAROM Romanian Air Transport both serve DXB from Warsaw and OTP respectively using 737s with similar flight times (although they could be the -400, -500 or any other variant).

Another thing-how is/was JU's European network? Their regional coverage could allow the Dubai route to be fed by points from (mainly) Eastern Europe.


User currently offlineKiqaboy From Sweden, joined Feb 2006, 171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

was there some word around that JAT will be privatized, and what is the Government waiting for privatize it and it would start to make money.
I have some friend here in Prishtina that use to work for JAT during the Yugoslavian time, they say that it was a giant they had many privileges they could travel every place they wanted to, all those things still stays in their head.

Kiqa



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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:



Quoting Kiqaboy (Reply 7):
was there some word around that JAT will be privatized, and what is the Government waiting for privatize it and it would start to make money.

There not only was a word, there was also an international tender - but there were no takers. The offer came too late, instead of a year or more ago, it was announced when the oil went through the roof at US$ 140/barrel, and that's definitely not the best time to try to sell an airline.

Aeroflot seemed to be very interested at one point, especially because Jat (Serbia in fact) will soon officially be part of the OpenSky, giving unlimited access to SU/JU to the European market.

However, there was apparently some pressure from a well-known company (L_) not to allow this and their strong influence is well-known.

Jat therefore missed the opportunity to find a strong buyer/partner/whatever and now is on a brink of collapse. With DXB gone as well, and all the transcon traffic that came with it, it's but a small regional airline with some valuable slots at LHR, CDG et al, which are probably worth more than the company itself.



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User currently offlineKiqaboy From Sweden, joined Feb 2006, 171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Okay i get it now but i did not know that Serbia was not part of Open Sky agreement, cause Kosova already is and Belle Air from Albania is using that to make flight ti Liege in Belgium.

Kiqa



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

I always thought this was a strong "feeder" route for Australia and the rest of Asia.

I remember when I flew MEL-DXB last year there were lots of transit pax being rushed through security at Dubai to make their JU connection to BEG.

I really wonder who will fill the gap, and how JAT will try and fill this traffic void?

I'm guessing Etihad or Qatar will step in with Airbus 320s/319s.

As Adriaticflight pointed out, if EY can give Minsk a go, then Belgrade should be a no brainer.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 10):
I always thought this was a strong "feeder" route for Australia and the rest of Asia.

I remember when I flew MEL-DXB last year there were lots of transit pax being rushed through security at Dubai to make their JU connection to BEG.

I really wonder who will fill the gap, and how JAT will try and fill this traffic void?

I'm guessing Etihad or Qatar will step in with Airbus 320s/319s.

As Adriaticflight pointed out, if EY can give Minsk a go, then Belgrade should be a no brainer.

What if no ME airline steps in? Or until then, what will BEG-based pax do? If the withdrawal of a (seemingly) insignificant route such as a 2x weekly BEG-LCA-DXB is a big problem, then it seems like BEG is going to have a big problem.


User currently offlineKiqaboy From Sweden, joined Feb 2006, 171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

well i think that some airliners that fly to BEG can handle those passenger, like TK and Austrian, they have daily flight to DXB.

once some agencies here in Prishtina were planing to make flight to DXB cause the high demand for that dest and use it as a hub to china and other eastern dest.

kiqa



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User currently offlineNewdan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):

your right htat is so true



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