Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 2757 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8390 times:
Passangers on a Norwegian flight got scared of a close encounter with another plane. Aircontrol says the planes were 300 meters apart, wich is considered acceptable,but passengers felt it was much closer.
See the picture taken by one of the passangers from the aircraft window and the other plane coming straight at them:
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5479 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): See the picture taken by one of the passangers from the aircraft window and the other plane coming straight at them:
I don't know about "straight at them", but the 747 will go over them, albeit close. Maybe the Norwegian flight was also banking at the time.
Nicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8317 times:
From my POV, it's more of a photographic illusion created to exaggerate the closeness of the other aircraft.
There is no Photoshop involved here just some clever optical illusion that fools the mind. A zoom lens compresses the distance between the subject in the foreground (winglet) and the background (aircraft). A longer zoom lens will result in greater compression. The FOV from a 50mm lens on a full frame 35mm camera is equivalent to what the human eye sees.
This optical illusion technique has been used as evidence in the International Court of Justice as well to fool the panel of judges
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9177 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8217 times:
Welcome to RVSM......shoot they were doing it Europe longer then here in the US
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GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2585 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8124 times:
Hey, that's a cool picture! Should be posted on a.net in the archives. I'm never quick enough to capture pics like this one when flying.
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Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8089 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3): Welcome to RVSM......shoot they were doing it Europe longer then here in the US
300m is 984 ft... Right around the 1000' minimums. Nothing spectacular other than the fact that somebody witnessed a plane pass over them. Looks like the story from CLT about the "close call" there.
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PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2443 posts, RR: 47 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7956 times:
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): Aircontrol says the planes were 300 meters apart, wich is considered acceptable,but passengers felt it was much closer.
How are the passengers who felt this was too close in any way qualified to make this judgment?
Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 2757 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7755 times:
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 6): How are the passengers who felt this was too close in any way qualified to make this judgment?
It's important to remember, that not everyone is an aviation enthusiast and that for alot of people this insident might feel alot different than what it would have done for others who are more used to flying and into aviation.
Platinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 524 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7690 times:
Scared?! Most of us would be Honored to have a Close Encounter
FLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7642 times:
What shocks me most is that somebody actually noticed. Most (non-a.nut) people don't give a damn about looking out the window anymore, first thing they do is close the shades and shut there eyes.
On my last flight I had about 3 encounters like this. No big deal, other than they were quite an awesome sight.
Thankfully nobody looks out the window anymore because if they did you'd have lawsuits left and right (in the US at least) on these "extremely dangerous mid-air close encounters"
HaYnFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7575 times:
I'm surprised no one has posed the question that we are all really wanting to know...."what carrier does that 747 belong to??"
My off-the-wall guess would be Jade Cargo Int'l judging by the green body....
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SpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 537 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 2): A zoom lens compresses the distance between the subject in the foreground (winglet) and the background (aircraft).
Yes I agree.
Take away the zoom and the photo wouldnt look anything like as close as it doe's.
Out of interest does anyone know what airline the 747 is from?
Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
Most likely the concern is coming from the fact that this is not a "normal" event you would experience on every flight you take, and certainly it could be a little concerning flying along and seeing the other guy coming at you knowing there are now stop signs up there .
In the flights I have done, where I have had access to the window I can only remember seeing small corporate jets below us and maybe some other commerical jets at approx the same altitude but going different directions (ie paths not crossing as in this example).
Then again, window seat on a 737 is more condusive for looking down than up for me.
DAL763ER From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7391 times:
God...I've had a ton of aircraft pass this close above and below. Also, last year on LAX-ATL, there was a DL 738 coming from our 12 o'clock at around...I don't know same flight level I guess, and the all-around separation was pretty low because you could see the livery very well. I think the pax over-reacted.
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Phileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6931 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 4): Hey, that's a cool picture! Should be posted on a.net in the archives. I'm never quick enough to capture pics like this one when flying.
Yea thats a pretty good photo. a little touch up and it could make it onto the database! =D
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Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6231 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
That's a winglet we're looking at? Which makes it a fairly long lens-- I'd say it's doubtful the 747 is only 1000 ft above. Could be the headings of the two aircraft were close enough to require 2000 ft altitude difference, which looks more likely. (And if not 2000 ft, 3000 looks more likely than 1000 ft.)
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1089 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6593 times:
Jeezus...I had a NW A319 fly 1000' right over me on a sortie last week...nothing to write home about. These guys need some anti-anxiety pills.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 11740 posts, RR: 49 Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6131 times:
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10): What shocks me most is that somebody actually noticed. Most (non-a.nut) people don't give a damn about looking out the window anymore, first thing they do is close the shades and shut there eyes.
Surprisingly, he said he noticed the contrails and took out the camera to get some "cool photos". So he must have been looking out for a while
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4411 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6005 times:
We had a Fedex DC-10 pass below us about that close on STL-ATL this past fall... it made me jump a little, but wasn't too bad... but I wouldnt want it to have been any closer....
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
WF2BNN From Norway, joined Dec 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5095 times:
That guy should have been flying with me in the C152, I would have showed him what a close encounter is :P
I love it when I see other airliners close when I'm flying - especially when we fly next to them, and when they fly the opposite way, the combined speed of us is over 1000KT - makes it look like a bullet
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25 B707forever: That CLT close call would have been posted by me. And frankly, the 737 I mentioned was closer than this picture, "for the record."
26 B747forever: Me too. Was approximately so close to an Swiss air A330 over the Atlantic for about a month ago when I flew LAX-LHR. Was really funny actually!!
27 Francoflier: Which is exactly why they shouldn't make a judgement until they have looked into the subject and are able to formulate an educated complaint. You wou
28 PilotRecruit: You'd probably get a traffic call in that case, but no RA if both their vertical speeds are at least very close to zero or moving away from one anoth
29 Someone83: This ins't news....however one idiot got his 15-minutes of fame
30 CXfirst: Didn't know Swissair started flying again! -CXfirst
32 JetA1863: I remember pre-RVSM days 2,000 feet of separation initially looked like an unavoidable collision. You get over this after so long. However, when RVSM
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