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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4904 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21437 times:

When will airports start merging NW and DL ops into one area or at least changing the gates to DL gates? I read in another thread this already happened to some airports in the Upper Midwest where DL doesn't fly to, but what about the others?

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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3187 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21447 times:

I work in Operations at MCO and I got an email the other day that Northwest will be moving to Airside 4 at the end of January. Northwest is currently in Airside 3. They will be using Gates 72, 74 and 76 at MCO, which are in the same wing as Delta.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21360 times:

Makes sense that they're using those gates - I think DL pretty much uses those gates for overnights.

Is there any chance that DL reinstalls the jetway at Gate 70? With the 60s gates being closed now, they don't need to manuever RJs around that gate anymore. It could make sense, since the combined carrier will have 16 mainline overnights at MCO (5x ATL, 2x DTW, 2x LGA, 1x each to MEM, MSP, BOS, JFK, LAX, SLC, CVG). As it stands, DL uses some of the 80s gates for the evening arrivals/morning departures. It will get a bit tight when NW moves in at midday (2x ATL, plus IND, MSP, MEM, BOS, BDL, LGA, JFK and CVG all needing gates), and possibly around 5:30 p.m. as well (MSP, DTW, GRR, ATL x2, BDL, JFK, LGA, LAX, and it's tough to get a gate on the 80s concourse at that time, with LH, BA, VS x2 minimum, AM and TAM more or less filling up this concourse). Could make sense for DL to get that jetway back on there and have 9 gates that they can use.

User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2829 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21301 times:

I heard they are going to have a net decrease of approximately 150 gates worldwide. This will save Delta $200 million annually.

Anyone else have any specifics about things like that?

User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21041 times:

I believe it's supposed to be June for NW moving from T2 to DL's T5 at LAX, but I haven't seen a firm date yet.

User currently offlineBeertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20851 times:

My dad land on the 21 on SW but maybe when I go to pick him up I will see if I can see if anything has changed yet.

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User currently offlineSdexplorer00 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20823 times:

Consolidation of stations starts this month at a rate of 2-3 per week. Counters will probably be completed before gates in many cases.

User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

I'm interested to see what's going to happen at MSY. Currently DL uses 3 of the 7 gates on Concourse D. CO has 3, and B6 has one. NW has 2 gates on the other side of the airport in Concourse A. I figure when it comes time to merge DL & NW ops at MSY, B6 will probably get kicked out of Concourse D giving DL & NW 4 gates to use.

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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20737 times:

I'm interested in OMA. I'm assuming the combined carriers will use 4 total gates? A1-A4? Will they be updating the gate stands etc?

How about the ticket counters? Add LCD arrival and departure boards instead of large manual boards?

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20698 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 7):
Currently DL uses 3 of the 7 gates on Concourse D

 Angry I remember a time when DL used ALL of them...well, DL and Royal.

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4500 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20657 times:

What happens in MKE? Currently DL is using I believe 2 gates in the C hammerhead. F9, AA, UA, AC, FL, and US are all also over in the C concourse. NW is over in E on the other side of
the airport. What I think the most likely scenario to happen would be would be for DL and CO
to swap places, moving CO into the C gates (Which could easily be done since the gates are
semi common use on C), and moving DL to E which would give NW/DL E to themselves.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20621 times:

Okay guys I decided to put all this (and future) info into a neat and organized table. I've started the list on my site: http://www.koolaiders.com/stations.php

If you know of any factual things regarding gate changes relating to NW and DL, please either post them here, or send them to me via PM or my website. Thanks! I'll try to keep this list as accurate as possible!

User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20478 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):

Very nice work...it will prove to be good reading as things progress!


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10905 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20402 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Thread starter):

It was me
Bemidji, Brainerd, Duluth, Hibbing, International Falls, Rochester, St. Cloud and Thief River Falls. Should have DL stuff in them now or getting them very soon.
All US airports will be done by Dec. and all airports in the system by 2011

User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20392 times:
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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):
Okay guys I decided to put all this (and future) info into a neat and organized table. I've started the list on my site: http://www.koolaiders.com/stations.php

Thanks for posting the link! By the way you have a great site, welcome to my RU list!


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20373 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Thread starter):
read in another thread this already happened to some airports in the Upper Midwest where DL doesn't fly to, but what about the others?

Correct according to DeltaNet (which btw, whoever it is that does DLNet needs to learn about the stations more because they couldn't spell Bemidji correctly, finally fixed) anyway the stations that have the new "Delta Signs" are Hibbing/Chisholm, Brainerd, Duluth/Superior, International Falls, Rochester, St. Cloud, and Thief River Falls.

Grand Forks already has the Delta blue painted behind and they removed the real ticket signs and replaced it with a cheap looking nwa/klm sign.

User currently offlineDaCubbyBearBar From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20367 times:

At LAS it will be an easy move as NW will just slide to the empty gates right next to DL. The County has been doing a lot of work on the jetways. I would expect NW could move whenever they want.

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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4500 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20350 times:

Quoting DaCubbyBearBar (Reply 16):
At LAS it will be an easy move as NW will just slide to the empty gates right next to DL. The County has been doing a lot of work on the jetways. I would expect NW could move whenever they want.


UA was moved into the new pier on the D concourse that recently opened to accomodate this.

User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20222 times:

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 11):
Okay guys I decided to put all this (and future) info into a neat and organized table. I've started the list on my site: http://www.koolaiders.com/stations.php

If you know of any factual things regarding gate changes relating to NW and DL, please either post them here, or send them to me via PM or my website. Thanks! I'll try to keep this list as accurate as possible!


St. Cloud, MN is "STC".

(SCSU Alum)

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20192 times:

EWN (Coastal Carolina Regional Airport | New Bern, NC) is all Delta so no changes.

RDU currently has NW at A5, A6 and DL at C8, C9, C10, C11, C15, and C16. I suspect NW will simply be absorbed into Delta gates with any additional gates needed.

Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20194 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
I remember a time when DL used ALL of them...well, DL and Royal.

...with all the L10's, D8S, and 767-2/3 parked down at the "rotunda" area at the end of the terminal....a sight that I miss to say the least.

When the "new" Concourse D opened in 1995, the article talking about it in the local paper had a large title that read "Delta's Big D"...it had 4 jetways when it opened (all built for wide body jets which DL requested) and it was DL's and DL's alone until CO moved in during the early 00's. In the terminal itself while it was under construction, DL had several displays with artists renditions of the terminal, showing a 767 at a gate, another one lifting off, and a couple of more DL jets lounging about.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 7):
I'm interested to see what's going to happen at MSY. Currently DL uses 3 of the 7 gates on Concourse D. CO has 3, and B6 has one. NW has 2 gates on the other side of the airport in Concourse A. I figure when it comes time to merge DL & NW ops at MSY, B6 will probably get kicked out of Concourse D giving DL & NW 4 gates to use.

Same here. I'd say it's probably a question of when, not if, NW will move to D.

User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20169 times:

Here's the ones I know of:

DCA- Will be moving in together 6/8 (at least break rooms & other facilities-no idea on gates)

MSN- NW will take over Comair's operation in July. Expect all gates/facilities to be merged then. NW currently uses gates 8/9/10, and RON's flights on 1/2/4. Comair uses gate 3. There may be an airport wide "shuffle," so no idea on what the final assignments will be.

MCO- As noted, moving at the end of this month.

We were also told by local management that MCO will be kind of the bell weather for any moves that may come. Anything that will happen across the system will most likely occur there first. Not sure why they're the testbed (my term) for consolidation, but here we are.

It's also important to note, that while these moves may happen, *actual* integration is a ways off yet. What I mean by that is that NW & DL might be at consolidate gates/ticket counters/facilities, but won't be physically working each other's flights for some time.

"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20152 times:

Keep'em coming guys! Everyone report your local station or stations you've visited recently.

Quoting AA777LVR (Reply 18):
St. Cloud, MN is "STC".

Woops, typo...thanks!

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20135 times:

Haven't heard anything from SEA, but it would make sense for DL to move into the S-councourse with NW. The lounge is there, as well as a large number of NW dates that are underutilized. In addition, this is where the FIS is located, which will make for easy connections to domestic flights.

User currently offlineSdexplorer00 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

SAN ticket counter is scheduled to move to Delta T2 West on March 16th if approved by airport authority. Kiosks moved to lobby from counter and 4 additional added. Gates will probably remain separate to a later date pending negations. Currently Delta has full use of 39 and 40 and shares 38 with jetBlue and 41 with Hawaiian. NW has 24-26. I believe the goal is to get full use of 38 and 41 and possibly 37, which is USAirways.

25 Fjnovak1 : No sign of integration as of yet for Northwest Arkansas (XNA). Northwest has gate A3, a jetbridge equipped gate, and a parking position at the 'B' con
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : SLC - NW moved from their prior gate in Concourse A over to a DL gate in Concourse C last week. The ticket counters remain seperate for a few more wee
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : That is correct, DL will be moving to S, date TBD
28 DLMD90 : What about BOS, when is NW leaving E? And in PVD? Any chance we'll start seeing a mad dog or two? Miss them!
29 KBUF : As of right now at BUF, DL has gates 23 and 25, and NW has gates 19 and 21. I think it's a safe bet that DL will just close gates 19 and 21 since NW o
30 DeltAirlines : They'll probably keep at least one of the NW gates. In the morning, there are four DL/NW departures (M80 to ATL, CRJ to CVG, CRJ to JFK, D95 to DTW t
31 DCA-ROCguy : At ROC, NW has B1 and B3. DL has B9, B10, and the set of stairs down to a door that the airport calls B11 but for which no separate apron space seems
32 Cozmoose : In SMF, NW had one gate at Terminal B2. Eventually, NW will move over to the nicer Terminal A. Combined Delta should occupy gates A1, A3, and A5 (shar
33 Malaysia : Well we need a list of who gets what in ground operations DL keeps outsourced ramp or NW ramp takes over? such as LAS, DL has DGS and has larger ops t
34 Beertrucker : There was a thread about what will happen at ALB I would like to see where this goes. Since I used to fly there all the time. You can also add MLB. De
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : If its a NW mainline & DL outsourced station or vice-versa it will become a mainline station.
36 Apodino : Well, in PVD NW currently uses gate 12, and RONs on Gate 14. Gate 14 is presently unused with AA having pulled out. DL has the rest of the gates on t
37 Mikey711MN : I'm personally curious as to what's going to happen in MKE. First of all, I agree that it'll go down something like you've described. But I guess I'd
38 Njdevilsin03 : B6 will prob be throwing a party the day the NW moves to the Delta terminal here in FLL and will prob even hold the door open for them on the way out.
39 NWAESC : Here's the basic formula: 1. DL M/L upstairs with ramp out sourced/ NW outsourced= DL takes over upstairs for both, and ramp stays outsourced. 2. NW
40 TVNWZ : I believe NW could integrate DL with the present number of gates. Gates 64 and 68 are infrequently used. Those gates, combined with increased usage o
41 Post contains links Pilotboi : Just thought I'd let everyone know that I've organized all of your comments and added them to my list. The link again is http://www.koolaiders.com/sta
42 KGAIflyer : There has been much speculation on how this will be accomplished given DCA's somewhat eccentric setup. I understand that office facilities and breakr
43 Burnsie28 : LAS and SFO are going to NW mainline, once contract issues are worked out. BDL/COS for example, NW rid of their mainline employees there a while back
44 KGAIflyer : IAD is going to be interesting. Northwest and KLM at one extreme end of Concourse B. Continental is next door. Delta is at the other extreme end. Skyt
45 Cubsrule : Agreed. Furthermore, if DL decides down the road that they'd like to grow MKE more, the gates will probably still sit unused. E is not a very nice fa
46 Azjubilee : PilotBoi - Brainerd's city code is BRD, not BAH. Nice list! What a logistical nightmare some airports will be.
47 NASCARAirforce : I was talking to one of the Delta Ops agents last night when I was working Airport Operations at MCO. We were discussing the problems that we might ha
48 Pilotboi : Thanks.
49 DeltAirlines : For the overnighters, the gates in the 80s are available. The only Int'l Airline over there overnight is Copa, so there's plenty of room over there f
50 CO2BGR : BGR will be easy. Comair had the NW contract long before the merger (2003 when NW first flew to BGR). DL has gate 2 and hardstand area next to that. N
51 Michman : DL is moving to Concourse E at ORD.
52 Josh32121 : Is DL going to just lease the rest of L to AA or sell it to them? I think I've read elsewhere that they have a pretty long-term lease, but does DL wa
53 DeltaL1011man : more than likely DL would make more money leasing out the rest of the gates on L. Plus Once the leases are up DL may in fact move back over to L so t
54 RampGuy : You had IAD showing as Houston. It's Washington Dulles.
55 KingAir200 : That's the scenario we hope happens anyway. It will be interesting to see if DL holds to that, or goes back to their historical setup of outsourcing.
56 Cubsrule : Where is CO going? I assume Terminal 1, but where in Terminal 1? The current AA subleases run until 2014, IIRC. In terms of leasing to a competitor,
57 PSU.DTW.SCE : FNT - NW to take over Comair's operation, date TBD, not sure if they are keeping DL's gate or not. There are about 50 Connection/Airlink stations that
58 Clipper136 : Overnight of Jan 28/29. As mentioned above....should be interesting as DL uses all of their gates, plus gates 72,74 and 76 (which are not part of the
59 Nwaesc : I'm hoping for the former, but betting on the latter...
60 Antoniemey : NW also has B1 at BNA... it's (strangely) right next to B2... the jetbridge doors are literally 5 feet apart on separate walls in the corner. DL has
61 Pilotboi : LOL I always mix those two up. Thanks!
62 WorldTraveler : DL will lease to whoever provides the best returns. It might be that short term leases with smaller carrier provide more money than a long term lease
63 NWAESC : NW ramp at BNA is mainline, so under the memo we were all sent by SVP Crystal Knotek, the NW ramp would take over both carriers' operations. Also, ju
64 Mayor : For some reason, MCO has always been used as a testbed for new processes. I guess it's decently sized to make the test a reasonable one and ATL would
65 Apodino : What would make the most sense would be for CO to go into the Banana peel on the North side of Concourse B. This would give them gates B-19 - B22, an
66 NWAESC : Seems plausible to me...
67 Teneriffe77 : Here in SYR it's hard to tell because there's space in both the north and south concourses and DL is currently in the north one with NW in the south.
68 Cubsrule : They probably don't, though FWIW, CO probably wouldn't need B19. 20 through 22 (2 RJ parking spaces at 22 IIRC) is enough. OTOH, though, I'm not sure
69 Burnsie28 : Yep, so its going to all NW people.
70 Ramprat74 : Just heard a rumor today at PDX. NW is laying off their ramp here in June. The word is, since Delta is larger here. They are keeping ATS ramp for the
71 N839MH : DFW: NWA will move their operation to Delta gates 12-15, plus Delta will pickup one Airtran's gate E16 and share gate E11 with Alaska Air. 32 Flights
72 Nwaesc : It's not... Unless DL & NW leadership have been directly lying to all of us... We were told that NW ramp will handle both.
73 Burnsie28 : Doesn't matter who is larger.
74 DeltaRules : Wikipedia says NW moves to Concourse C at CMH sometime this month, which makes sense, as C50-52 are vacant and right next to DL's gates (C53-56).
75 Antoniemey : Most likely still closed due to MNAA wanting to move things around to make one central security checkpoint, instead of two. I'm guessing it will be a
76 Cubsrule : That side seems pretty much done (not sure about the C/D checkpoint), but I didn't look at the ramp when I was through at Christmas.
77 Etops1 : I was in SJU the other day and i saw a NW A320 parked at the Delta gates.
78 Runway23 : The move at CMH is planned for June as of right now. Although details are unclear. NW only have two gates right now at CMH, although there are 4 RONs
79 Burnsie28 : I don't know, last time I was there all the gates were full at DL's concourse along with NW's gates, so unless DL has dropped a lot of flying and les
80 NWADC9 : PIT'll be interesting as DL's at D76, D78, and D80, NW's at D81, D83, and D85, and DL is starting up PIT-CDG service, which means the arrival has to g
81 USPIT10L : I would honestly think D81 and D83 would stay with DL. They simply do not have the space to run all the flights from D76, D78 and D80. We were stretc
82 PSU.DTW.SCE : Flew out of AVL yesterday, the rebrand is essentially complete. The combined the ticket counter and since they use electronic signage, the screen has
83 HermansCVR580 : Not sure if this means anything, but I hear that NWA will not be doing anymore RON checks on aircraft in MKE. Actually after May 31st they will no lon
84 Nwaesc : This is true, but I wouldn't equate that with a massive down gauge in equipment...
85 Burnsie28 : Exactly stations like DEN don't have mechanics at NW and they still run a good number of flights a day, even back in the good parts of the 90's NW di
86 Post contains links Dalb777 : Some airports besides MSY in Louisiana that I found gate info on: BTR: DL has A2 and A4, NW has A3. http://www.flybtr.com/Features/Features.asp SHV: D
87 Cubsrule : Here's another... NW and DL have moved to their homes in the new terminal at JAX. NW has A1 and A3 (sounds suspiciously like STL...). DL has A7, A9, a
88 VC10DC10 : Isn't there a swanky World Club at IAD? If so -- and I admit I have no idea what sort of club DL has at IAD -- then wouldn't that play into the music
89 STT757 : DL doesn't have a club at IAD.
90 Legacytravel : This would seem to be correct. Since Co and UA will be codesharing there is a possibility of having one company handle the ground work for both airli
91 VC10DC10 : Well, I guess they do now Makes me suspect that the DL gates at IAD will be shifted to be closer to NW/KL.
92 MOBflyer : My understanding is that DL mainline will take over above and below wing operations at MOB for what was formerly DL/9E. Can you confirm this?
93 IndyWA : I was talking to the Comair agent the other day - apparently they are moving to C1/C2 but also keeping A1. C3 will be an open gate used during irop's
94 Cubsrule : That surprises me a little bit. It seems easier to routinely use C3 and only go to A1 (where, IIRC, they pay by the use) for IROPs.
95 AndyDTWnwa7 : What will happen to all the old NW signs? Any way of obtaining one?
96 DeltaL1011man : IDK know about NWA but Once its done i'd check Ebay. I have found some Delta signs before.
97 KGAIflyer : That makes sense. It's ashamed, though, since the *new* Delta gates across from Virgin-America have their own mobile lounge to the main terminal.
98 Nwaesc : It'll be M/L DL agents above wing. The below wing situation hasn't been resolved yet, but it won't be M/L... Every city will be auctioning off NWA it
99 KingAir200 : If it even lasts that long. I'm sure some clandestine activities will take place.
100 KGAIflyer : It's interesting that when flew BWI-MSP-BIL last Saturday, Northwest check-in at BWI printed out a baggage strip with the original NW insignia on it.
101 USAIRWAYS321 : In Boise, DL uses B20 and B22 and NW uses B16. The concourse is short enough that a separation like that may not matter (UA for instance uses B10, B11
102 MOBflyer : What does this mean for the future of mainline in MOB? Do we have any chance at all of getting mainline back with staffing like that?
103 Meteorologist : Even though I know it won't happen because the space isn't there, I'd love to see NW/DL move to the C gates at GEG with AS/QX. If F9 moved to the A/B
104 Burnsie28 : Most stations still do that, I think there is only a handful of stations that print the new logo on it.
105 KGAIflyer : Thanks Burnsie. I'm in Seattle now, but will check it out when I fly back to BWI later today.
106 NWADC9 : When and where?
107 USPIT10L : I don't think you'd want the jetway signs at PIT. They're so faded you can barely see the red on them. I doubt outside the hubs if anyone changed the
108 Nwaesc : Well, the staffing doesn't predicate what equipment is flown in; it's the other way around... Good question. I went over to DLnet to try and find the
109 PSU.DTW.SCE : In this thread, there are a lot of confirmed changes & consolidations that are, or will, be occuring. However there is also a lot of speculation too,
110 Cubsrule : A lot of times, the operations folks at an individual airport are much more willing to work together then the folks who are strategizing back at head
111 PSU.DTW.SCE : Thats a very good point - very common to help each other out in IROPS, whether it be loaning a gate or a piece of ground equipment. Today it may be t
112 Burnsie28 : DEN had new jetway signs almost immediately following the new logo.
113 Antoniemey : I've yet to encounter a more unique relationship than that between the front-line employees of competing airlines. On the one hand, most have incredi
114 NWADC9 : True, they are a bit on the pink side
115 Pilotboi : That's a good point you bring up. For me, if I see anything that indicates an guess I immediately skip over it. For me, I only want the facts (when i
116 FWAERJ : As for FWA's situation... all gates at FWA are on a CUTE system, though NW Airlink typically uses gates 4 and/or 5 and DL Connection typically uses ga
117 Pilotboi : Mind explaining what a CUTE system is? I've never heard of such a thing, but it sounds like something that allows flexibility in gate usage.
118 NWAESC : CUTE=Common use. Filler... Filler...
119 Burnsie28 : As said above its Common use, which is big in Europe (LHR comes to mind for the most part) US Cities with CUTE HNL (Sort of, NW, UA have their own ga
120 United787 : I was in CLE over the weekend and it seems as though there is an easy solution there... Problem: DL and UA are currently in the B Concourse and NW and
121 VC10DC10 : Yes, please let us know... I would love some NWA schwag!
122 CIDFlyer : Here in CID NW and DL are next to one another (C1 & C3). NW also has a ground level gate on B7 so I don't expect any changes to gates. Not sure if its
123 DeltAirlines : Add LAS to the mix. Also, while not gates (since LHR is CUTE), at LHR Terminal 4, the Delta and Northwest check-in counters are located next to each
124 HermansCVR580 : In MKE Delta will be moving over to the current NWA gates E concourse. Not sure if Continental will then move over by UAL in the C concourse once Delt
125 Post contains images Burnsie28 : Here is what the re-branding looks like at Bemidji
126 Post contains images Breaker1011 : There's just something humorous about that photo isn't there? Like "here it is, this is the completed Bemidji rebranding effort" Maybe I've had too m
127 United787 : I am surprised more smaller airports don't have CUTE, sounds like a very cute system...
128 Post contains links NWAESC : Here's a teeny blurb about combined ops in TUS... Scroll down a bit to find it... http://www.azbiz.com/articles/2009/0...avel/doc497a020a1443764057087
129 DTWAGENT : TOL has been completed. And DTW is expected to be done by the end of March or early June 2009.
130 Atrude777 : Hey- So STL is done already then? I am flying out of STL on Northwest Feb 7th. Do I check in at the Delta Ticket Counter then? I ask cause DL and NW t
131 NWADC9 : Even the tram? EVERYTHING?
132 Pilotboi : I may have missed it, but who here said that STL is done?
133 Atrude777 : I was going by the link that was given which says... STL St Louis, MO Gates A2, A4, and A6 Gates A3 and A5 Together Does that not mean they are toget
134 Cubsrule : The gates are together. Ticket counters, AFAIK, are not. The site will read "rebranding complete" or some such once they've merged.
135 Pilotboi : Correct. What I meant as "Together" on the site is that the gates are next or near to each other, and no moving of gates will have to take place. Cub
136 Atrude777 : Ok, again as "together" meaning Delta signage on the gates including NW or simply the LOCATION is together? All righty, gotcha. Yes I knew the site i
137 Cubsrule : FWIW, they won't be fully 'together' even once it's rebranded because non-CUTE gates (like the ones in question at STL) won't have the right computer
138 ERJ170 : Here's the newest word on RDU.. Northwest Airlines will relocate to Terminal 2 in the spring! So that probably means in either March or April.. Delta
139 Burnsie28 : You will continue to check-in with your operating carrier.
140 NWADC9 : I thought it didn't matter anymore, and the check-in kiosks can do both DL and NW reservations...
141 NWAESC : Depends on which city you're flying in/out of... As of right now, not all cities can do this yet... For example, in my station you won't be able to u
142 Sdexplorer00 : Branding won't be completely Delta until one airline. In the meantime, stations are getting decals that say "Now Serving NWA" to be added to Delta si
143 PSU.DTW.SCE : PLN (Pellston, MI) is rebranded as of this past week. It was done when I flew through there on Friday. Just put up the DL branding in the check-in cou
144 ERJ170 : And for RDU, the gate situation has been decided.. At RDU, the move means a net loss of one gate. Northwest currently has two gates in Terminal 1; acc
145 PeachAir : Seems like a logical solution, but there will be a different solution. The old UA bridges are no good - too costly to remove. Again - logical conclus
146 NWADC9 : So will this also be the time when DL mingles with the Red Tails in A and moves out of B, and Connection goes with the Mini Tails in C? And where's t
147 IndyWA : Apparently it's still cheaper using A1 vs. C3. Plus, the DL ops is remaining below the A concourse..don't ask me, just passing the info along! lol
148 KingAir200 : I don't think you will see DL over on A until the union representation issues are solved. They seem resistant to NWA taking over work from contractor
149 NWAESC : Yeah they do! It sure seems contrary to all of the memos they've been putting out... I wonder why that is?
150 WorldTraveler : why is it contrary? DL isn't asking NW to allow DL to handle any NW flights at DL stations. There is a clear line between the 2 carriers and DL is res
151 KingAir200 : Not in stations where NWA has mainline employees anyway. However, in SJU, COS, SLC, and BDL DL now works NWA. There are those who say they are lying.
152 Atlanta : They should paint it navy blue,like the livery, and a white Delta logo! Atlanta
153 Dmt52 : I was in DTW yesterday and one of the international (dual jet bridge gates) on the south end of the terminal had the new Delta branding on it. It was
154 Mayor : Well, wasn't NW contracted out in SLC, anyway? Or am I missing the gist of this conversation? I have NEVER seen such a bunch of paranoid people.
155 NWAESC : I'm not talking about cities where DL mainline has employees. What KingAir200 and I are referencing are the memos put out that claimed that any stati
156 ChiefNWA : Im going to guessNW will move to E at TPA. Anyone know when thats due to happen.
157 KingAir200 : Unemployment of over 10% in your home state will do that to you. Besides, talk is cheap. Plenty of people in positions of authority say they will do
158 KingAir200 : Correct. They were. I was just clarifying that some stations have been handed over. WT was somewhat ambiguous in his comment.
159 NWAESC : This is an excellent point. DL mainline has taken over in some locations where NW was outsourced, but there have been zero places where we've (NW M/L
160 Smcmac32msn : From what I've seen, NW rarely uses 67-69 at MKE other than RON flights and at other times have no more than 1-2 planes at any given time for their 6
161 Smcmac32msn : Here's what E would then look like when the swap would move USA3000 to C. DL/NW would have 63-69+60. CO would move from 63 to 61 and stay at 62. USA m
162 Nwa320 : I was at MSP the other day and noticed that the changed all the Concourse A jetway signs to Delta. I saw the Delta A320 too. They seemed to be taking
163 Burnsie28 : Yes... Are you sure it was a DL 88 from SNA? Because DL doesn't fly that route and NW people don't handlle DL flights, so it should have gone into E.
164 NWAESC : Maybe SNA was the originating city (ie. SNA-SLC-MSP)? Sometimes the monitors show flights that way...
165 Nwa320 : Thats what the monitors and the gate said, but now that I think about it SNA probably was the originating city. That makes sense, considering the pla
166 Jcarv : NW is suppose to move to Terminal A sometime this March.
167 Airtechy : I think at MCO, NW has now moved to the B side. Jim
168 NWAESC : Correct. Also correct. For what it's worth, in MSN DL (Comair) is moving/consolidating into NW's facility in July. An airport-wide gate reshuffling i
169 ElBandGeek : NW was already in B side....they just moved to the other end, from Airside 3 to 4
170 Pilotboi : And it was the biggest move so far for any NW+DL station.
171 Lfutia : When is DL moving over to T2 at ORD? Leo
172 ElBandGeek : I think the better question is when is CO moving to T1? Because until that happens, there'll be no room for DL to move in (I still wish they were sta
173 AeroHero128 : DCA Understatement of the year. Maybe NW will just foreclose their space for simplicity's sake? G/L, guys... JFK Much simpler. Given DL already owns t
174 Burnsie28 : Just to add, domestic flights are, the international flight will operate out of E. So I wonder if some shuttle is going to be set up since NW sells f
175 Lfutia : Where is CO going to go in T1? The only thing I could think of is just sending more of UA Express over to an already crowded T2. Leo
176 Bobnwa : Are you sure that both the arrival and departure of the AMS flight will be out of Terminal E? For many years, NW operated all international departure
177 Burnsie28 : Thats whats on RADAR, but that flight has been operating out of E for quite sometime since NW Domestic flights have been at E for quite sometime now.
178 ElBandGeek : With the capacity cuts, I doubt they'll have trouble finding a couple spare gates in T1 if they tried. It's more a moving of moving things around so
179 Lfutia : Thats what I thought as well hmm... time will only tell when they'll move. I'm so curious to see who is going to takeover the DL gates! I know they a
180 DeltaL1011man : DL will be taking the 6 gates on T4B that face T3/2. the AMS flights will leave from A and deplane at E then get towed over to A to leave.
181 JCarv : I would agree with Bobnwa. Unless something was worked out with Massport, all AMS departures will be out of Terminal A. All other tenants with Intern
182 Bobnwa : Burnsie, the move is taking place the first week of March and I don't see any gates posted that far out for any flights domestic or international.The
183 Mayor : Actually, AA leases their gates at L FROM DL, not the other way around. I actually wish they could get AA moved from L and move NW into those gates a
184 TVNWZ : Correct. NW used to run many more flights using those gates. the DL flights can easily be accommodated. However, CO may move anyway--I am told--to be
185 C767P : Are you sure it wasn’t an MD-90? I don’t believe Delta has any MD-88s operating on the west coast. DL1244 operates SNA-SLC-MSP and is an MD-90 ar
186 Burnsie28 : The gates are not posted in the command line, it was posted in an article about moves a long time ago. There were issues at the time with A not being
187 Post contains images OB1504 : Add MIA to that, too. As reported in another thread, NW moves from Concourse G to DL's existing facilities in Concourse H sometime during April, and
188 Mke717spotter : Does anyone know when NW is going to relinquish its three gates and ticket counters at ATL?
189 DeltaL1011man : right. I have a feeling that one of two things happened. A) would make DL more money by moing 100% out of L letting AA take over all of L or B) the l
190 Mke717spotter : Oh really, so until all the "rebranding" is complete will only NW continue to operate out of D13-16? How long are NW's ticket counters going to stick
191 Tys777 : Checked out your site, great list. I'll be able to update a few in a couple weeks.. CHA-their gates are not "next" to each other..not sure what the pl
192 ERJ170 : At Norfolk (ORF), Delta and NW are currently in the same concourse B with their gates together.. DL currently has B21, 23, 24 and NW has gates B27 and
193 Smcmac32msn : Think they can grab up 11 and 15 right next to UA?? 11 is only used when AC is there at the same time or UA has 2 there. I've only seen F9 at 15 once
194 Lfutia : Oh oops.. You think AA would expand slightly in the L concourse?
195 Pilotboi : How are CHA's gates layed out? I can't find a single map online.
196 USPIT10L : I know PIT is listed as separate on your website, but DGS is hiring again and they are including a "porter" position. Is that what DGS calls CSRs? I'm
197 NWAESC : The gates are staying, AFAIK.... I was told by an ATL employee that the ticket counter and bagroom will be "going away soon." He assumed it to be som
198 FWAERJ : What he probably means is that DL is assuming NW's ATL gate leases and that D13-D16 at ATL are now additional Delta gates. After all, gates are scarc
199 Bobnwa : Since you said it was in RADAR, I should be able to look it up right? Please advise where I look. Everything I see, maintains that the NW internation
200 FutureUScapt : Anyone know what the plan is for PHL? I know DL just moved to A-East and built a new club over there, so logic would suggest NW move to A-East, but th
201 Mayor : Only if DL was to give up the gates that AA already leases from DL. I'm sure that DL wishes there was a way to get AA out of L, and have it all to th
202 Cubsrule : DL really only needs ~7 gates for the combined operation. If they'd been able to get 2 gates back from AA (something much more palatable than getting
203 DeltaL1011man : HAHAHAHAHAHA agreed. Isn't A-east the part with FIS......if so this is where DL shall stay maybe better to sub-lease the rest and they may just give
204 MSYtristar : According to a thread on Flyertalk, NW flights will be operating out of DL's gates on Concourse D at MSY starting in June. That'll make 22 flights a d
205 Happydad : PHL UPDATE Spoke with one of the PHL DL guys on 2/4 and here is the latest (said this could still change): 1) Delta and Northwest moving to D 2) AirTr
206 NWADC9 : From what I hear, for MCI, NW's ditching C and joining DL in B, with UA taking NW's spot in C. Moving day's 4/1.
207 Dalb777 : Is this do-able??? I still think they need to kick B6 out and utilize all 4 gates on the DL side of Concourse D.
208 MSYtristar : I guess technically it is, but it'll probably a challenge. I'd like to see B6 move back to C, and I think that's really a better option for their ope
209 Cubsrule : Why would they want to pack up and move once they've been in the new space for 5 years? It seems like a needless expense.
210 Nwaesc : I know that NW is at least moving into DL's facility (breakrooms, etc.) soon. Not sure when the moves to DL's gates will occur...
211 USPIT10L : Well, I just got off the phone with the DGS manager in PIT. NW and DL will begin combined ops on March 10th. I presume they'll use the same gates as b
212 Phllax : This makes no sense. CO is down to 2 gates as it is now, and they need both of them. They also hard stand 1 IAH RON or park it at D10. The simplest t
213 Happydad : When I spoke to my contact in PHL, the idea was more of moving gates in D to free up space for DL + NW to be together (I got the idea they were stayi
214 USPIT10L : It appears DL will add D84 and D82 to their gates, and leave D81 and D83 vacant. Go figure. I should've known DL would take the cheap route, especial
215 PeachAir : DL will observe the contract the requirments and respect those requirements until the union issue is resolved one way or the other. Are you sure the
216 Ramprat74 : Maybe CO will be using some of UA's 5 gates. They are suppose to be combining some of their ops together.
217 KingAir200 : It said NWA employees. No mention of the IAM was made, though I would chalk that up to the undecided union issues. In short, if NWA has mainline empl
218 NWAESC : Yes it did. If any given city had NW mainline ramp, and the DL work was outsourced, then the NW ramp would take over the work. Same story in the hand
219 DeltaL1011man : free rent. DL owns L so they wouldn't have to pay gate leases if they could get all into L. I'd bet this is what they wanted to do but couldn't do to
220 Cubsrule : While I don't know the specifics of ORD gate leases, it's unlikely that DL will pay rent for L once they vacate it. The airport can likely lease the
221 PeachAir : DL does not need the FIS gate for the outbound aircraft. Since AF will be leaving PHL - the DL aircraft would occupy the same A-West arrival gate tha
222 Burnsie28 : It was posted, just nobody from DL apparently got it. You learn in life that you never ever actually own land property. So while DL "owns it" they re
223 Cubsrule : What are you talking about? If I own land (i.e. in fee), it's mine. Airline gates, in this country at least, are generally leased, though.
224 Smcmac32msn : You do...... until IDOT decides they want to expand the road you live on and claims 'emminant domain'. Then its no longer yours....
225 PSU.DTW.SCE : A number of the jetbridges on the A concourse in DTW now have the DL signage on the exterior. There are about 5 of the inner-A gates (DC-9/A319/A320 g
226 Cubsrule : But that doesn't make my ownership of it in the present any less absolute, does it? If I own the land subject to a utility easement, I still own it.
227 Smcmac32msn : How much do you own of it? Down to the earth's core? Just the surface grass? You only own it until somebody wants it more, ask Palestine.
228 Cubsrule : The law, in this country anyway, says that I own it from the center of the Earth to the heavens.
229 AKelley728 : Back to the thread topic... I have been flying in/out of Richmond the last two months, here is what I see: DL and NW ticket counters are next to each
230 PHLBOS : For Terminal D, wouldn't it be simpler just to move WN from D1 through D4 over to NW's E gates thereby giving WN ALL of E. If anybody should consolid
231 Burnsie28 : Not really Check the law again, you don't. You can get up to X amount of feet above and below as "yours" and you don't own the land, for instance if
232 Atrude777 : Any updates to STL? I forgot to ask the gate agent in STL when I flew out last week. Terms of ticket counters, someone has to move somwhere. Gate wise
233 Atrude777 : Not letting me edit.. I wanted to add I did see a NWA CR2 at A-6 a Delta gate in STL boarding, though perhaps maybe A-6 did used to be a NWA gate so..
234 Amwest2United : Any word on CMH? I think that NW Ramp will remain??
235 Nwaesc : That is what we at NW have been told. Basically, if there's NW ramp now-and DL ramp is outsourced- then the NW ramp stays....
236 Phllax : I just cannot see that happening in PHL with the amount of flights UA has (especially with the 2nd LAX flight coming back) and the amount of gates th
237 PeachAir : Looking at April for NW move to DL
238 Cubsrule : Several of the gates on that side of the concourse are CUTE, IIRC. The one that US uses for the PIT flights (12?) is one such gate, I believe. No, if
239 DeltaL1011man : DL payed for and (unless given to ORD in BK) flat out owns L. DL built it wayyyyyyy back in the day when they had large opps out of ORD. So what is l
240 Pilotboi : The FAA would disagree about the heavens part.
241 Lfutia : I talked to a Delta rep a few days ago at ORD and I asked them if they know when they are moving and they said that they have no idea and they don't k
242 CompensateMe : Or maybe DL thinks that it can profit off leasing out its facilities in "L" & assuming NW's (and perhaps CO's gates). DL could easily handle NW's fli
243 CompensateMe : As an addendum to my previous posting, at ORD: -- NW has four gates (E9, E11, E13 & E15). NW generally tops out at 22 daily departures to DTW, MEM and
244 Lfutia : Granted that AA has 6 gates L side, the only one's ive seen used are L2B, L4, L6 & L8 leaving L1 and L2A unused. Leo
245 Mayor : Actually, no. Operations have steadily declined since the early 80's when DL had 90 flights a day out of H concourse in T2. Not sure what it was when
246 Burnsie28 : Well you should know that the RADAR is really no longer RADAR, it was posted on RADAR before it was switch to DeltaNet.
247 Bobnwa : Still have access to PARS via RADAR, so where do I look to see that NW 38 departs from terminal E this summer. Again all info shows all BOS arrival a
248 NW : IAH NW will be moving next to DL for ticket counter space in mid June. Gate A11 or A10 will be given up; still in discussion with CO on what gate exac
249 Cubsrule : Source? AFAIK, none of the terminals at ORD are owned... What would permit DL to break the subleases? They told AA they could have the gates through
250 Mayor : Only if it was worth AA's while and nothing more. I think AA will be there until 2014 but I wish DL would move back, then. L is SO much nicer that wh
251 Akelley728 : Thanks!
252 Cubsrule : Exactly. I'm not sure I agree. The food choices are equally lousy both places, and the gatehouses are about a wash. The only thing that's better in L
253 CompensateMe : Concourse L is a much more pleasant experience IMO; it's more spacious, much less crowded and faster to get into and out of. The food choices in T3 a
254 DeltaL1011man : I figure this is what they are thinking. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ which is what I said. they have no good reason to break the leases. BTW guys think we can move
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