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Do Airlines Ever Connect Pax Through Non-hubs?  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

Whenever I am booking flights it seems as though airlines won't connect passengers through non-hub cities, even if the timing works...is that correct? If so, why not?

For instance, if I am travelling ORD-LAX, obviously I would prefer to fly non-stop on UA or AA but would they allow me to travel ORD-LAS-LAX if Ithe connection times were good and I could get a cheaper flight? or if the non-stops were full?

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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

On AA once in a while when I look for flights to DCA they show going through RDU as an option. When flying with miles they might use a non-hub option. When I fly MIA-DCA every once in a while I will hear a connection annoucement in DCA for someone going to ORD or BOS, of course AA has non-stop service from MIA to BOS or RDU etc.. But sometimes it might be cheaper. But for the most part when looking for flights online they will route 99% of the flights through hubs.


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9157 times:



Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
For instance, if I am travelling ORD-LAX, obviously I would prefer to fly non-stop on UA or AA but would they allow me to travel ORD-LAS-LAX if Ithe connection times were good and I could get a cheaper flight? or if the non-stops were full?

Ive booked on UA flights before between SFO-ORD-SFO that connected in SNA/SAN/LAS. Obviously non-stop is always more convenient but you can find some odd routings out there.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

In a not so distant past, it wasn't un-common to price a flight on DL.com and see connections through MCO and others that are no longer around. I've also personally flown on an ATL-BUF-JFK-ORF. As crazy as it sounds, it's out there. And no, I didn't add those legs; It was one of the options in the listing of flights.


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User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Absolutely airlines will connect through a non HUB!

A number of CO flights from IAH-EWR for example one is able to connect through places such as ATL, GSO, RDU, RIC, pretty much you pick it. Alot of the flights are on COEX while I've connected through ATL with mainline a year or so back. The fare was somewhat less with the connect so if you have the luxury of time make the connections if that's your preferred mode of travel.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

I've seen it occasionally. It's probably most likely when flying from one hub to another; I once had IAH-RDU-EWR offered as an option when looking for flights on CO.

I also once spoke to a fellow traveler who was flying IND-DEN-SMF-SFO-CEC on UA. Apparently that was the only option is his price range.


User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

At NW it's common to see DTW-ORD-MSP or DTW-GRR-MSP or DTW-GRB-MSP.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3901 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9111 times:

Being Germany-based, my Star Alliance hubs would be FRA, MUC, ZRH and VIE. I have, however, used connections through STR, HAM, TXL and GVA as well.

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

Actually there is a way to get that done because that's how whenever I traveled HP into US, I would route by segment instead of flying nonstop. To try out the new E170 when on the US side of ops just about merger time years ago, I was flying PHX-PHL as I do often, and routed my and roommate PHX-RDU-PHL to be able to fly the new regional jet on the RDU-PHL leg.

I haven't looked at this recently, but to get done, just book via the multi-city function, while using the same dates for the leg you want to connect via alternate city. So let's say you want to travel on UA (didnt confirm they have this just using as an example) from ORD-LAX but looking for something different and traveling on March 1, use the multicity booking portion of the site.

LEG 1 MARCH 1, 2009 DEP: ORD ARR: LAS TIME:10AM

LEG 2 MARCH 1, 2009 DEP: LAS ARR: LAX TIME:3PM

just off top of my head I made up numbers, but arrival time obv has to give you enough connecting time, so the ORD-LAS leg is what about 4 hours, lose the 2 hours for time change so yeah, that would be fine because then computer would find any afternoon into evening departures as your second flight, but on the same day. If website has option of booking via schedule or price, obviously choose schedule on the actual airline site. Usually before going there I'll do this on other website like Expedia or Orbitz or whatever is out there and check via price to see what's out there and then plug that into airline site itself


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

Yes, they do.

AA, for example, offers connections via Atlanta, Dulles, Las Vegas, and even Fayetteville, Ark., among others, and they connect people via non-hubs on a daily basis.

[Edited 2009-01-13 16:32:28]


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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9070 times:

AA connects through RDU on occasion, like JFK-RDU-MIA or LGA-RDU-LHR for example.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8998 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 1):
through RDU as an option. W



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 10):
AA connects through RDU on occasion, like JFK-RDU-MIA or LGA-RDU-LHR for example.

I thought RDU was a hub?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

UA will show routings for SFO-FAT-LAS and SFO-PSP-LAS among others.


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User currently offlineSf3SCE From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

I am going to VPS this summer and my routing is:

SCE-PHL-PHF-ATL-VPS-ATL-RIC-PHL-SCE



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

Happens all the time during irregular ops - just before Christmas, my DL flight JFK-TPA was cancelled and the protection was the next day on JFK-RIC-ATL-TPA. As it turns out the JFK-RIC flight ran too late to make the connection to ATL, but they managed to get me on the next JFK-TPA flight anyway.

User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

You can even get some really weird connections if you pay attention or do multi-city trip bookings.

I have done a US connection PHL-BGM-SYR (same aircraft, different flight number - I was the only connecting pax)

US connections in ROC (en-route to SYR)

DCA-PBI-TPA (also US)

PBI-MCO-BWI (US)

DEN-BOS-LGA

I see odd connections all the time - and will occasionally do one just to check another airport off of my list



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Sometimes airlines will come up with crazy non-hub routings. For instance, I was looking for a flight SEA-CVG-SEA on DL. The nonstop was over $800 roundtrip.

However, if I was willing to route SEA-ATL-IND-CVG, I could save a few hundred bucks. Makes no sense to me, but I guess the pieces of that itinerary are all in lower fare buckets.

I must say, if an airline is willing to route you hundreds of miles out of the way at a fraction of the cost, with all the additional handling costs (baggage, potential for a misconnect, fuel, etc.), it just goes to show how fundamentally flawed their revenue modeling is.


User currently offlineLovetojetblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

B6 BOS-ORF-MCO/TPA/FLL/ other

ORF makes sense almost in the middle of the country



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8901 times:



Quoting Lovetojetblue (Reply 17):
B6 BOS-ORF-MCO/TPA/FLL/ other

ORF makes sense almost in the middle of the country

jetBlue doesn't serve Norfolk.. maybe you meant RIC..

jetBlue does offer RIC/RDU/CLT as connections between NYC/BOS and South Florida..



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

Northwest has done it quite sometimes, especially through ORD or MDW. I have also seen a lot of IND connections.


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User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8863 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
I thought RDU was a hub?

I am pretty sure they abandoned the RDU hub experiment in the late 90's. I'm having a hard time finding evidence though.



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User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

FL will connect through CAK, PHF, and ROC in my experience along with the more obvious BWI and MKE. It's also possible to connect through MCO, though that often involves going backwards. In fact, I'm pretty sure FL will connect you through any city where it makes sense to do so and is possible.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8867 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8840 times:

I've seen it on Delta a bit, especially on award tickets. ATL-(BWI)-BOS is a common one.

Last month, delta.com showed me an itinerary going LHR-(ATL)-(MLI)-MSP...


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8825 times:



Quoting RGElectra80 (Reply 20):
I'm having a hard time finding evidence though.

The RDU hub was eventually closed on 01 May 1996. American Eagle still maintains a quazi-hub at RDU but it too has been drastically dimished with the aircraft being phased to the real hubs..



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29656 posts, RR: 84
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8812 times:
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Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
Whenever I am booking flights it seems as though airlines won't connect passengers through non-hub cities, even if the timing works...is that correct?

I have done SEA-PDX-ORD/IAD via UA even though SEA-ORD/IAD is an option.


25 Viscount724 : I've seen connections from GVA via DUS and HAM on the LH website, in addition to their FRA and MUC hubs.
26 PSA727 : They all do basically. You can do LAX-LAS-IAD or LAX-ABQ-IAD on UA. or LAX-BNA-DCA on AA. US is big on doing this, especially on the East Coast. I've
27 MKE22 : YIKES! When I looked for my trip to VPS this spring, I thought it was bad when I saw MKE-IND on YX, then IND-MEM-VPS on NW.
28 Mcg : I took a trip between DEN and ORD on UA where I changed in DFW on the way to ORD and in LNC on the way back. The both outbound legs were actually flow
29 LAXdude1023 : Yes they do. I flew LAX-XNA-ORD once when they had no inexpensive seats on the nonstop flights. On the other end of it, Ive seen airlines connect pass
30 UALFAson : Coming back from Thanksgiving, I flew UA IAD-LAX via MSY. I thought it was sort of random at first, but I would guess there were at least 20 people, i
31 LipeGIG : Yes, i saw this situation several times. Every time i try to check fares for NYC-RIO for example, they show me the best itinerary (AA non-stop, DL thr
32 Uadc8contrail : i have rerouted passengers that misconx here in den going to ord and beyond alot thru cos,lnk and ict. usually the aircraft that goes to those cities
33 USPIT10L : Don't you mean 1995? BNA was closed completely as a connecting complex on April 6, 1996. Eagle built a base back up after JI started scaling back.
34 Post contains links ERJ170 : American Airlines officiously shut down the BNA hub operations on 01 May 1995 This is information received from a website detailing RDU and BNA hubs f
35 DurangoMac : Well, I just saw an award ticket on DL that was booked SLC-MSP-JFK-GEO-JFK-CVG-SLC. Talk about an interesting routing.
36 DeltAirlines : BTW, I'm very close to booking a segment run on UA for a couple of weeks out: Route is MSP-ORD-OKC/LNK/TUL/XNA/ICT/DSM-DEN-SFO-BUR on the outbound. Re
37 DLX737200 : I've seen many pax get sent ATL-OMA-SLC when ATL-SLC is completely oversold. Sucks when that ATL-OMA flight takes an hour to takeoff and the pax get s
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Another thing is you will usually see a particular airline's ticket usually cheaper through someone else's hub. For example, I've been trying to price
39 FlyASAGuy2005 : To add onto that and may be a bit off topic. But don't you hate it when a flight's delayed and the airline offers you another flight which is suppose
40 EGLboi : I know from experience for AA at ORD when LGA had weather cancellations and flights were overbooked we would send passengers to CVG, BNA, CLE, and eve
41 Fanoftristars : I think it depends on fare rules. The fare rules will state the valid cities that you can connect in (They're not always hub cities) and often times t
42 Lincoln : Shopping for a full fare (Y) class ticket on CO can get some...interesting... results, especially going hub-to-hub. For example, next week I head to
43 Sf3SCE : I dont mind it at all! I love the flying and I'm getting there earlier than if I flew SCE-PHL-CLT-VPS so i decided to do it and it has good planes to
44 EXAAUADL : On the Delta.com web site ATL-DEN-SLC comes up a lot and the fare is usually much cheaper than the nonstop.
45 PWM2TXLHopper : I'd say Boston is a good example of a non-hub city offering quite a few connection opportunities with DL, US, and perhaps AA, if they still operate E
46 ZWZWUnited : In MSN we get pax doing ORD-MSN-DEN and the reverse all the time. It is a commonly sold cheap alternative on those low-fare websites like Orbitz and C
47 DeltAirlines : I'd say BOS isn't obscure in some cases, but is in others. If you're going to BGR, BDA, YYG, YHZ, BOS is a logical connection option. Was even more t
48 Yellowstone : I once saw Orbitz bring up an itinerary going from CAE (I think - it may have been another Carolina airport) to BOS connecting through DCA and SYR.
49 PSU.DTW.SCE : On NW, many people used to do DTW-ORD/MDW-MSP, to beat the high priced nonstops on DTW-MSP. It was very common to find cheap tickets on both DTW-ORD/M
50 PWM2TXLHopper : I'd say Boston is a good example of a non-hub city offering quite a few connection opportunities with DL, US, and perhaps AA, if they still operate s
51 UN_B732 : Sometimes, I got a cool offer with US, BTV-DCA-RDU-ATL, and it was cheaper than going directly thru PHL Delta also offers it sometimes on delta.com. W
52 DavidkunzVIE : When I look up Star connections between VIE and CPH, some options include transfers in GOT, HAJ and even ZAG!!!
53 JJJ : IB sometimes routes through VLC. Mostly secondary domestic airports going to the Balearics. SVQ-VLC-IBZ, for example.
54 Falstaff : Last summer I flew NW DTW-IND-SFO. IND is a focus city, but not a hub. Usually DTW-SFO is non stop or stoping at MSP.
55 FUN2FLY : CO is a master at this. I use this function regularly to reduce cost. Last example: CLE>IAH>CLE last minute at $900. CLE>ORD>IAH>ORD>CLE was $330. Co
56 FLYjoe : I remember doing quite a lot of these when I was with US in the 90s. I was in PHL and we had pax trying to get to CLT and all of our n/s were sold out
57 Fly2CHC : Last year I was trying to get from Dubai to Kuala Lumpur and all the direct options were full. So, I thought I would try and be smart and go through I
58 CAMPBELL : American Airlines hub at RDU was opened in June 1987 and was downsized in December 1994. The day before the downsizing, AA Eagle lost a J31 attempting
59 United_Fan : I've seen Kayak give you the option flying BUR-ROC on UA to fly BUR-DEN-ICT-ORD-ROC . ICT is obviously not a UA hub
60 FoxBravo : I'll second that. I have flown LGA-BNA-DFW (long after the BNA hub closed) and LAX-PHX-DFW on AA for lack of better options. Not ideal, but it works,
61 Acey559 : Surprisingly we get a few connecting pax through MLI on UA every day. Usually people do ORD-MLI-DEN or vice versa, but sometimes we see some more odd
62 JetBlueAUS : Yeah, take JetBlue at Austin for example. Austin isn't considered a hub or even a focus city. However, they do connect a considerable amount of PAX go
63 Sf3SCE : NWA airlink does the same thing. I could fly SCE-DTW-MLI-ATL-VPS. The reason be is SCE-DTW-MLI is the same flight number. I find it odd to connect th
64 LH491 : I've had AA offer me a routing of ORD-LGA and then JFK-FRA. I don't think either of these connecting airports is an AA hub.
65 United787 : WOW, thank you everyone, you all answered my question...and some... Excatly my thoughts, I never understood why connecting flights can be less expensi
66 PlateMan : I too have a *A connection booked via united.com coming up. Connecting from Swiss to United Express at JFK.
67 OzarkD9S : No one has yet mentioned Southwest, whose connecting pax ALL connect at "non-hub" airports.
68 CODCAIAH : When I was in college, I used to do one-ways on CO from DCA to IAH. DCA-IAH non-stop would be many hundreds of dollars, whereas "multiple stop" itiner
69 ADent : Orbitz throws up a lot of odd flights. Guy here went DEN-FLL on F9, then FLL-ATL-BUF on DL and reverse for the return. If DL is late and you miss the
70 Chuchoteur : My personal favourite is LCY-SXB-TLS Beats the alternative LHR-CDG-TLS, and even the LGW-TLS (having to get to the correct train station and then go d
71 ABQopsHP : I have had on a number of occaisons pax that fly CRP-IAH-AUS on CO then cnx to AA to go to either LAX or SJC. We also get pax to fly CRP-IAH-SAT and t
72 Katwspotter : this one happened about a month ago...ELM-DTW-ATW-MSP-ABQ
73 EddieDude : Speaking of which, I have a slight issue. I am looking for fares to MSP from MEX in September and my preference would be to fly SkyTeam. So far, I hav
74 Rafflesking : When looking at mileage tickets for last minute trips, DL always offers me saver tickets for random connections - pre-merger, I flew CVG to MSP via TO
75 Cubsrule : AA sells a fair number of connections over MIA, including (this list is not exhaustive) ORD-MIA, STL-DCA, STL-LGA, LGA-LAX (can also connect in MCO o
76 Cubsrule : Brain fart, and now I can't edit it... that should read AA sells a fair number of connections over BNA...
77 Yflyer : The funny thing was that in my case connecting at RDU wouldn't even have saved me any money; it was actually a few dollars more expensive. For simpli
78 UPSMD11 : I need to go to BIL nexrt week and DL was showing SDF-CVG-MCI in one segment and MCI-SLC-BIL in another. WOW, what a routing. I am doing SDF-ATL, ATL-
79 Flygbear : Having 10+ years as a Reservation agent w/ both Continental and Northwest I safely say it's all based on the routings that every single fare has estab
80 Jfk777 : Sure, all the United passengers going to Syney, Australia. All AA passenger connecting at JFK or LAX going to NRT and LHR. Passengers transitting an i
81 Ben175 : I guess you could say QF connect PER/ADL/BNE pax to Europe through Singapore/Hong Kong.
82 JJeff : IAD/ORD/DEN/SFO/LAX/PDX/GEG - SEA - NRT on UA. All but DEN/PDX/GEG have nonstops but SEA connection is available for all.
83 STT757 : In November '97 I flew EWR-LAX-SFO on CO, at the time CO was flying 4-5 daily LAX-SFO flights. I flew a CO 757-200 EWR-LAX, and then connected to a CO
84 JJeff : Just a reminder that Sydney flights on United depart only from SFO and LAX which are both UA hubs.
85 Directorguy : Sorry if repost. I'm pretty sure Emirates connects passengers at Sydney, Singapore and Bangkok. For example, a passenger wanting to fly Auckland-Dubai
86 JettaKnight : In the 'good old days' flying YX, I was offered MCI-FLL-MKE. A tempting thought in February, if only to sit at FLL for a couple of hours, but time con
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