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A350 XWB Final Design Revealed  
User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 46476 times:

Airbus has made public a model of the final design of the A350 XWB. Not sure it looks so much like the A380 nose after all?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ls-definitive-a350-xwb-design.html

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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 46521 times:



Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Not sure it looks so much like the A380 nose after all?

I'd say not - doesn't look too bad. Then again to what extent is this model accurate?



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46421 times:



Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Airbus has made public a model of the final design of the A350 XWB. Not sure it looks so much like the A380 nose after all?

Thank goodness the A350XWB looks nice.  Smile Flight International had me really worried for a while with their own rendering of what the A350 nose might have looked like.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2958 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46378 times:

The Avro nose lives on  cloudnine 


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46351 times:

I am more interested at the ground breaking ceremony. Presumably they really do intend to build something inside "the new twin-jet's production plant in Toulouse."  Big grin

Also the Airbus site seems to have much more information about the three models now.


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46281 times:

The new nose gives the A350XWB a very streamlined look. The previous FI artist's impression made it look more like a stumpy whale.  Smile

User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46271 times:

If there were a contender for the most boring-looking aircraft this would possibly win. There is nothing distinctive or noteworthy about it. I understand that that this is probably the ultimate evolution for underwing twins, but give me the A300, Tristar, 747 and A380 any day.

User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46248 times:

looks a lot better than the one with the a380 nose, lets hope the actual planes looks like this when it starts coming off the production line in 2013-14.


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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46251 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Also the Airbus site seems to have much more information about the three models now.

It'd be nice if they had more info on the groundbreaking ceremony itself, though.

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/efficiency/index.html

There's no link attached yet when mousing over that part.

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):

Is the XWB model above based on A350-800 model specs?

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...ciency/a350800_specifications.html


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46143 times:

Very nice indeed... I was a bit skeptic after the drawings that showed the A380 style nose, but this model is very nice and neat. Congratulations Airbus!


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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46104 times:
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I cant wait to see this bird in AY's colors  Smile


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46069 times:



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Also the Airbus site seems to have much more information about the three models now.

It'd be nice if they had more info on the groundbreaking ceremony itself, though.

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/efficiency/index.html

There's no link attached yet when mousing over that part.

A bit of an odd route to
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...es_items/09_01_14_a350xwb_fal.html
Missed it earlier, or maybe was not there.
The 74,000 m2 factory will house the first stages of final assembly for the A350 XWB: the joining up of the fuselage and wings. Aircraft testing and cabin equipping will then be completed in the nearby A330/340 Facility.

The 140 M€ Airbus facility at Toulouse, France, will provide work for more than 1,000 people when fully operational, and will be the most eco-efficient Airbus final assembly hall.

During the construction work, the concrete and foundations of the old buildings will be recycled and reused in the new facility. An energy management system will optimise energy use meaning that the photovoltaic roofing will provide much of the buildings electricity requirements. The new streamlined aircraft assembly process will allow teams to work in parallel, reducing the time from start of final assembly to aircraft delivery by 30 percent.


A bit on the specs too. But a fuller page at
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...ciency/a350800_specifications.html


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 45872 times:



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 6):
If there were a contender for the most boring-looking aircraft this would possibly win. There is nothing distinctive or noteworthy about it

IMHO, the 767 wins that contest hands down.

I'm afraid this is the direction we're going in, and have been in since the a300/767 first rolled out. After those designs, we saw the a330, 777, 787 and now a350. They still have their distinctive features of course that can still make them attractive in a certain way, such as the elegant a330 wing and the huge GE90's on the 777. To be honest, I was not disappointed when I saw the 787 for real, and I have no doubt that the a350 will not be that bad to look at once it's built.



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User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45578 times:

I much prefer this over the 787.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45559 times:

A throw-away line in a bbc report on this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7828388.stm

Says that the wings will be made at Filton. Have they got this wrong as I thought it was only wing components at Filton and wing assembly was still to be at Broughton or is the begining of the end for Broughton as eventually all wings will be CFRP not Al?


User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45494 times:

IMO the 787 looks much nicer. This nose just doesn't look right and not well balanced. A real dissapointment. Also the plane looks boring and uninspired unlike the 787.

The passenger window look very small.  bored 



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45416 times:
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Is it just me, or is there no link on the site to watch this?


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User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45401 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 11):
During the construction work, the concrete and foundations of the old buildings will be recycled and reused in the new facility.

Which building is letting place to this assembly hall?

And yes this design is nice!!


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45391 times:



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 15):
IMO the 787 looks much nicer. This nose just doesn't look right and not well balanced. A real dissapointment. Also the plane looks boring and uninspired unlike the 787.

The passenger window look very small.  bored 





Well, at least Boeing has a nicer house livery!  Smile



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45284 times:

Love it.  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 45210 times:

Its different then the rest which is a plus.. I think the nose (& coulors) of the 787 look better. Not that it really matters. I have the impression the nose if differently from the A380. So a 767/777 like similar section didn't work for some reason.

I think the wingroot leading edges / droop noses look sharp. A lot of work went into them.



User currently offlineSankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 45116 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 3):
The Avro nose lives on

You got that right! Uncanny resemblance to the AVRO/RJ85 nose section...


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 44850 times:



Quoting Icna05e (Reply 17):
Which building is letting place to this assembly hall?

They are not tearing down any building really, but some old foundations might still be there.

It will be located between Bikini the engine run-up area, flight test preparation Vendée and Airbus Corporate Jet Center.

I tried to pinpoint it on Google Map:

A350XWB FAL



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3970 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 44853 times:



From that image and the shadows/lighting involved, it looks like its got a slight chin - a much smaller version of the Beluga. Or am I seeing things?

Infact, looking at *all* of the photos, I'm seeing the same thing!


User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 44758 times:

We can nitpick but there are ALOT of similarities with the 787. We shouldn't be surprised, aerodynamics dictate a certain shape if you are chasing efficiency.

25 MCIGuy : Hmmm, I think the nose does look like Moby's, but maybe that's just me...
26 RussianJet : Very cool. Sleek lines, beautiful nose. Overall, very happy with it indeed. Boring? Maybe for some, but hey - that's the world of twinjets I'm afraid.
27 TaromA380 : Will the XWB fuselage fit the Belugas ? What about the crew rest place ? Does that means that today we are in the day 0 of the industrial A350 program
28 Aviationbuff : I hated the FI renditions and this is much better than that. The aircraft looks good. Good job Airbus, lets hope that this aircraft enters service on
29 AA777223 : I'm sorry, but am I the only one that thinks these two look like clones?: I honestly wonder when I see the two side by side many years from now at air
30 Post contains links Aclco : In the Video section of the new FAL's website there's a really nice motion rendering of the A350 with final design.. http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus
31 Kappel : Now that is a very intersting question. If it doesn't, will that give Airbus incentive to build a few a380 super beluga's ? Maybe they can make it bi
32 Petera380 : I'm afraid the B787 lost any appeal when the shark fin tail was dropped, now it's just another twin!
33 BlueSky1976 : It looks OK. I'll reserve my judgement until I see the real thing. Though I must be honest - it does not bring the same level of excitement to me the
34 Moo : No, Airbus has already said they will be shipping the sets via water rather than via Beluga.
35 AFKL : Although I partially agree, there are some distinct differences IMO. when looking at the wingtips, those of the 787 appear to be much more pointed, w
36 NorCal : I really like the wings and the winglets on this aircraft. They are both quite stunning and elegant. Now let's hope Airbus stays on track to deliver t
37 Moo : Yup, looking at the video it seems that its just the forward section, underneath the cockpit directly, that is a bit 'chubbier' than the fuselage beh
38 Frigatebird : Could this have to do with the new location of the forward landing gear, now right under the cockpit? The A330F also has a modification there, a litt
39 Stitch : See? I told you the A330 would have looked better with larger engines. And I'm pleased they were able to keep the more streamlined nose.
40 Baw716 : Airbus windows are smaller for sure than the 787 and most other Boeing a/c. Yep, sure does; but if memory serves, I believe this cabin will be wider
41 Keesje : Yes, but at least they're not blinded. Sorry, childish
42 MCIGuy : The A350 is 8 inches wider than the 787.
43 Astuteman : And the other differences are... Depends on your definition. Airbus have been ordering manufacturing equipment for the A350XWB for about a year now..
44 Revelation : If they are side by side, I think you'll see up front the A350 has more "forehead" than does the 787 i.e. the 787 cockpit window looks (to me) to be
45 Dubliftment : Another reason is, that the A380 fuselage structural integrity requires the separatin floor between upper and lower deck. (the fuselage is not round
46 SeaBosDca : It really looks like an updated A330. The wing shape especially is very similar. That's a good thing, aesthetically and presumably functionally. I thi
47 EPA001 : Is that really true? Does anyone here have the dimensions on the B787 and the A350-XWB windows? BTW: I like the design as it is. It is much better th
48 Post contains links Moo : FlightGlobal agrees with you (and I know they do fit in the Beluga), but I am certain the question was asked at an Airbus press conference, and the a
49 Airproxx : Is it just me or the cockpit windows look very similar to those of the 787??? Anyway I must admit that it's a nice looking aircraft... But my preferen
50 Astuteman : Christ! You guys are eagle eyed (read:- are you sure you're right, because I'm not sure that either of those statements is correct.I could be wrong,
51 Newdan : Yeah i agree, the cockpit does look very similar to the 787. yes
52 PPVRA : Love that high wing sweep angle! The A350 has come a long way, congrats to Airbus in realizing they needed much more than just an A330 do-over.
53 Post contains links and images EGNR : The 787 also has 4 cockpit windows: View Large View MediumPhoto © Bo Kim Whereas the A350 has 6: "The spacious A350 WXB cabin is given a brighte
54 Stitch : The 787's windows look taller then they do wide, so they're likely taller then the A350X's windows which is why they appear "larger" to the naked eye
55 Scbriml : I've got a nagging voice in my head telling me that I'd read they weren't going to be using the Belugas, but the only reason was because of flight ho
56 Post contains images Jacobin777 : From this particular angle, it still seems to have the "old" A350XWB profile.. I'm more impressed with this.. 50% of all electricity demands..wow!
57 Post contains links AirbusA370 : http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace.../425x304/airbus-a350-xwb-cabin.jpg I like those windows! Granted, the 787's windows are higher, but not as wide
58 Beertrucker : Actually the 787 does have winglets. They are just the raked wingtip design.
59 Rampart : It may be just me, but does the cockpit section and forward look narrowed, or more oval shaped (the long axis in the vertical dimension)? Seems pinch
60 RJ111 : Ohh great, not only are most future planes going to be boring twins. They are going to look identical as well. It does look nice, but virtually identi
61 AA777223 : Is this the first airbus twin, widebody (not to mention the A340) not to have that weird window line that moves upward towards the tail? I have always
62 NA : Why visit an airport when all planes are identically looking, just of different size? I think the A350 is a very bad aircraft for us enthusiasts. The
63 JoeCanuck : I hope I'm still around when someone decides to crank out a BWB, or UDF or some other such radical and interesting design. I absolutely can appreciate
64 RJ111 : I think we'll get used to it. I've got nothing against twins but I need variety. Quads, tris and some larger T-tails to spice it up. Planes will alway
65 Acheron : If I recall correctly, the A350 was going to be double lobe, a la 757 or DC-8
66 Rockson : I keep wondering why Airbus and Boeing make fuel efficient and aerodynamical aircraft, instead of more spotter friendly ones. Is there a reason for t
67 Rampart : That answers my question about the oval cross section. But, I'm not sure it explains the aft upsweep of the window line that AA777223 asks, and I've
68 Rampart : There's appreciation of functional design, and there's appreciation for aesthetic design. Nothing wrong with yearning for the latter, since the combi
69 ZRH : You are absolutely right. I am always wondering about the whining here. Of course I also like to see more different designs but to be honest airlines
70 Moo : Airbus aircraft since the A300 had a taper at the rear, which moved the widest point of the fuselage at the rear upward slightly - so Airbus compensa
71 Post contains images SanChaser : The closest approximate renderings of the two that I could find: I like it. I can see the differences, though I suppose the real thing will give a tru
72 Rockson : Ok. Let's hope it'll be delayed!
73 VC10er : THE A350 WILL HAVE THE AIRBUS MINI-WINDOWS??? how disappointing.
74 BuyantUkhaa : Which allowed them to add more cargo containers, I think that was the main consideration.
75 Nycbjr : is it time to drop the XWB moniker? lol cheers
76 Moo : Why would they? Its a marketing vehicle, and quite a good one at that by all accounts - people talk a lot about the 'XWB' part of the name, so its ob
77 ER757 : Really like the winglets (or wingtips as they may get called) - very stylish. On the video, the view from above made it look a bit "Concorde-like" to
78 PPVRA : Cool, we'll be able to fly on both and test how effective those chevron edges are. Also, the A350 looks a little 757-ish in that picture IMO.
79 EBJ1248650 : I see it too. Still a very handsome airplane.
80 AA777223 : That's exactly what I was talking about. Damn, those planes look similar to me...
81 Legoguy : Something that I that always been wondering. The Rolls Royce Engines on the 787 features the chevrons on the latter half of the engines, whilst the R
82 Scipio : What these two pictures show nicely, is the much wider wing root / bigger wing box of the A350. This is supposedly the reason why the 787 has compara
83 Post contains links and images RJ111 : I can't stand that current company livery to be honest. Just seems too heavy. I really liked their old one.
84 Stitch : Airbus has gone with a longer wing for the A350XWB which requires a wider root and wingbox. At last report, Airbus is using a single wing with 65m sp
85 Post contains links and images ER757 : I actually like this one the best of all of them View Large View MediumPhoto © Royal S King
86 Phatty3374 : Wow. That is one good looking 787 Honestly, how similar can two competing planes from different manufacturers look? I guess the extreme similarities s
87 Airproxx : Although the need in more efficient planes is obvious, I keep believing the same thing that NA; all the new planes just look the same to me! And it's
88 BAalltheway : How original... And how is that thing and "XWB"?
89 Scipio : That is certainly one element, but if you look at those two pictures, it is striking that the A350's wing shows a pronounced widening toward the root
90 PPVRA : Might have to do with the greater wing sweep angle than the 787.
91 Trystero : IMHO 330 and 340 are the best looking birds from Airbus. To the planes you refer I would add the 757 and the MD11, But the 380? Sure it´s impressive
92 Vega9000 : Actually, there is. For security concerns, the TSA has decided that it had to get rid of all those pesky spotters and their cameras hanging around th
93 Airproxx : Never heard anything so true!
94 Stitch : Yes, the A380 is not a pretty plane in my book. But I do like flying in it. I still think the A340-500 (especially in TG colors) is the "perfect" Airb
95 EPA001 : I can only agree 100% with this statement! At least the A340-500 is the most beautiful imho of all modern airliners including the B787 and the A350-X
96 PM : All this bleating about how these planes are "clones" and "boring"... Puhleeze! A serious spotter and enthusiast will have no problem telling these tw
97 PlanesNTrains : I'd have to agree. I think I will enjoy the stretch '87's more than the -8, but comparing apples to apples, the A350XWB seems to have more attractive
98 Astuteman : From memory, a view of the 787 from above will show a similar "widening" at the root. Some kind soul might oblige with the pics... Overall, though th
99 HA_DC9 : I'm a Boeing fan, but the A350 is really growing on me. Love the looks of this bird. It's going to look great in HA's colors.
100 RJ111 : I think i do slightly prefer it to the 787. The 787 has a pretty nice shape but i don't really like the cockpit window tbh. Looks a bit strange. Btw,
101 747400sp : Wow, what a beauty! This may be the best looking Airbus ever built. I have a feeling that this and the A380 will be my favorite Airbuses, but the A350
102 Aerlingusa330 : At first look, it looks very similar to a 757.
103 WunalaYann : Do we know which version of the 350 this is? The -800? -900? Thank you.
104 PM : It's a -900.
105 PlanesNTrains : Which is probably why it looks so dang good. -Dave
106 Cerecl : My favourites are 767 and 380, although A350 is looking quite sharp too. A320, on the other hand, is an ugly little duckling
107 PM : Beautiful proportions. Nice engines, too. What are they...?
108 Rheinwaldner : I measured graphically the length of the wing root vs. the whole fuselage length: A359: 25% 788: 21% Quite a difference. Especially if you consider t
109 WunalaYann : Kuznetzovs? What's the giveaway?
110 PM : Count the windows...
111 Burkhard : The wings look different, winglets and the much larger flap housing. But spotting will get more and more of a challenge...
112 Jambrain : What's the word about GE & XWB are RR keeping the monopoly for the duration or is today's press conference going to announce something? Can't be sure
113 BoeingVista : For what its worth I like it, like the details like the overall proportions, like the Rollers. If form follows function it should work fine and accord
114 PM : Is it my imagination (probably) or are Airbus making a bit more of RR in these recent releases? It always seemed to me like they were almost playing
115 Swallow : Airbus says the windows on the A350 are 420 millimeters high and 285 millimeters wide. That translates to 16.5 inches high and 11.2 inches wide. Boei
116 Scouseflyer : Course it's wont: B cheerleaders - our are longer than your! A Fan boys and girls - yes but it's width that counts
117 BoeingVista : I don't think that GE have the money (around the order of $500m?) to commit to a new project right now especially as all the low hanging fruit has al
118 Nycbjr : and this is exactly why stich is advocating a parallel development of te 787-10 with the 787-9, so there is something larger.. only question remains
119 BoeingVista : The 787-10 is not going to happen or if it does it will be so limited as to be pointless. like the A322 is a great idea but he wing is simply not big
120 PM : Not quite all. As I understand it, Aer Lingus (6), Afriqiyah (6), Air One (12), Marsans (10), Libyan (4), TAM (22), TAP (12), Tunisair (3) and Vietna
121 Parapente : I agree with the above comment. The 787-10 as originally envisaged is dead (and Boeing have stopped even refering to it). Indeed most writers here sta
122 Baroque : To a large extent the TXWB can ony be screwed up if the T1000 is even more screwed up so customers might soon be getting a sort of prequel to the TXW
123 BoeingVista : You would sleep a lot better if you tally up how many of the above have chosen RR to power their A330's, the market would freak if GE committed to de
124 BlueSky1976 : Uhm, incorrect. I believe the correct term for raked wingtips, used by Boeing, is wingtip extensions. Therefore, I stand by my initial comment. 787-8
125 Moo : The 'original' A350 used the same fuselage as the A340, A330, A310 and A300. Pure semantics.
126 Rheinwaldner : About the design I think that it is largely unimportant. As aicraft fan I really like any flying aircraft. All aircrafts are grateful objects to becom
127 PM : You think I haven't? Last month the A330 passed the TriStar as the RR's #1 widebody produced. And the RR backlog on the A330 is almost as great again
128 Astuteman : More likely than 1000 Trent 500's, I would have thought.. Rgds
129 NA : Wow, another clone! Wake me up, when any manufactuerer comes up with an airplane design that doesnt look as boring as any other. It´ll be an efficien
130 Parapente : "Another Clone!" You may have seen the talk (you tube?) by Burt Rutan on this subject.He reviews the incredible speed of innovation in aircraft over t
131 Post contains links Revelation : Some perhaps useful definitions from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device Bottom line is I've see raked wingtip used most often, but I can see
132 Trex8 : historically most (like the vast majority) of GEs profits were not from manufacturing but the finance side so things could certainly be quite tight t
133 Post contains links Jambrain : http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...49AE-9806-E8FFED611003}&dist=msr_4 http://www.ge.com/pdf/investors/even...ge_webcast_transcript_12162008.pdf A
134 Cymro : They have got this wrong, wing assembly will be at Broughton.
135 Scouseflyer : Phew, I love seeing the Belugas buzzing in and out of North Wales
136 Cymro : great for the local and national economy as well
137 BoeingVista : GE cant launch without a bluechip airline and even and even if AF/KLM commit to 75 frames in the current climate that would not be enough to trigger
138 Keesje : I think the A350-900 show is equivalent to the yet to be launched 787-10. I think they easily could have captured 50% of the 500 ships sold and also
139 Lovetojetblue : how does this nose look avro? nose looks like a hybrid between A380/787/A330/A340 WHY DO WE ALL CARE SO MUCH ABOUT NOSES??
140 BoeingVista : I'm sure that they are but do you see them as being in the position to get on the XWB?
141 Stitch : Which in absolutely no way prohibits GE from building an engine for the XWB with any thrust desired, up to and beyond 115,000lbs if such a thing was
142 PM : For the same reason we look into people's faces.
143 EPA001 : These power plant engineers have expectations which are more than highly unlikely to happen. Some would call them nuts imho or are hoping for miracle
144 Astuteman : I know a lot of people on here who labelled the A380 a performance dog, very derisively, too, in advance of it proving quite categorically that it wa
145 Post contains links and images BlueShamu330s : http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...jan09flightglobal.jpg?t=1231941083 View Large View MediumPhoto © Velin Andreev Don't you see it ? Classic
146 Aloha717200 : Hmm, frankly I don't like it, this nose looks strange. I much prefer the original nose concept that looked like a revamped A330, that was gorgeous.
147 Post contains links and images Aloha717200 : This one was the best nose, because it stood out from the rest, whilst still having the elegance of the A330's nose. The 787 and A350's noses do look
148 Revelation : I agree. Yes. I didn't think TXWB was much different from T1000, but this is what I found at RR's web site: The engine will deliver… * module weigh
149 EPA001 : Could it be that GE missed their chance on the A350-XWB? Maybe at first they were reluctant to commit themselves to the program since the "old" A350
150 Stitch : Well for the record these are just a few folks, and they are not in senior leadership or management positions. So my musings were just "spit-balling"
151 Cloudyapple : Is that how you calculate the area of an oval? By multiplying the height by the width?
152 Stitch : The area of an oval is found by multiplying the width (W) times the length (L), then multiplying the result by 0.8 (so sayeth Google). So: B787 - 157.
153 EPA001 : Thanks for clarifying this for us Stitch! So the B787 keeps the largest windows where the A350-XWB will have the widest windows. Both will offer thei
154 Astuteman : FWIW, previous rant aside, I suspect you hit on one of the primary reasons GE are not currently on the A350XWB - GE have already made their investmen
155 Stitch : I'm not sure how "burned" they were, to be honest. I mean they were already developing a bleed-air version for the 747-8 program, so it's not like th
156 Post contains links and images Slz396 : Mind you, the term 'oval' is not as well-defined as 'circle' for instance and so many distinct curves are commonly called ovals too. All these curves
157 Stitch : Well it's more accurate then the claim before it. If you can refine the values even more, have at it. And the 787 windows from the interior mockups f
158 Nomadd22 : To get picky, the formula for the area of an oval is almost the same as for a circle. The only difference is that instead of using radius times radius
159 Stitch : I imagine it depends on your stature. As a tall person, I expect I will find the 787 windows the "best" because I won't have to scrunch down to look
160 XT6Wagon : The A350 started the development of the GEnX bleedair program. The 748 just got its own version later. Then Airbus went XWB and horked GE
161 PM : "horked"? I sometimes think I need subtitles here on A.Net!
162 Kappel : Also on the location of the window. For instance, the 737NG windows are bigger than the a320 windows, but sit much lower which is very annoying (and
163 Baroque : In terms of having competing engines for each plane, but the TXWB will to an extent still have competition from the GEnx in that if the TXWB does not
164 AustrianZRH : That would be true for an ellipse, which is a special case of the oval, but I have yet to see an elliptic airliner window .
165 Slz396 : Indeed, all ellipses are ovals, but not all ovals are ellipses. And plane windows are neither ellipes nor ovals (at least not in the sense that they'
166 AustrianZRH : Well, as first approximation I would describe them as rectangular with height H and width W, where the corners are smoothed out using a circular curv
167 Revelation : Killjoy! Yes, but by visual inspection, R is small relative to H and W, so to a first order approximation, we're back to A = H * W... That's the diff
168 AustrianZRH : Hey, I'm a physicist . But I agree, H*W should be close enough to compare the planes .
169 Stitch : Well Boeing was kicking around the idea of bleed-air GEnx/Trent 1000 engines with the 747 Advanced back in early 2004, so I still believe GE at least
170 Baroque : As in "they both have themselves to blame for their competitors success or coming success"?? Ah yes, the GE investment in the LR 777. Oh well, at the
171 Revelation : As per Stich's post above, no one expected the 777W/777L to be so successful. Given this, one wonders what kind of check GE gets from Boeing for each
172 Stitch : As well as just being a sole-source supplier. GE has sold over 1000 GE90-11xB engines. Even without the check they get for those 500+ 77L, 77F and 77
173 WAH64D : At least each passenger will be within eye-shot of a window Hmmm, do you mean "in general" or when fitted with a sub-optimal GEnx? Trent XWB is looki
174 Post contains links Swallow : Don't have the 380 stats but here is a comparison of the 787 and 340 windows from the 787 mock-up posted in reply 11 of this thread. The comparison i
175 EPA001 : Thanks for posting this reply. The A340 windows are a big deal smaller than the windows of both the B787 and A350-XWB. But unfortunately it still doe
176 Pianos101 : Well to be exact, each piece of glass for the 787 windows is 187.3 sq in. So if someone has a model of the A350 window then we'll be in business...
177 WingedMigrator : Some of this glass is obscured by the window frame. The relevant metric is transparent area of the window assembly.
178 Post contains images Keesje : I always thought the windows of DC10 / MD11 were pretty big, never noticed a real hype over it anyway. Shows what marketing can do to the public.. Any
179 Nomadd22 : When I think of ovals I think of ellipses or egg shapes. I'm sure there's some term for rectangle like shapes with rounded corners, but it escapes wha
180 SpeedyGonzales : A bit of pixelcounting and comparing to the forward cargo door, which is 3,1 m wide, gave me an estimate of 26cm W x 36cm H.
181 Hloutweg : Accordin to a couple of Flight International published cutaways, these are the window measurements for: A340: 2500 x 3500 mm, which is 9.84 x 13.78 i
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