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TS (Air Transat) Leased Or Owned Aircrafts  
User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15946 times:

Just wondering what the status of the fleet that TS has, do they Lease or Own most of their aircrafts. It seems that they keep aquiring some previoiusly enjoyed A310's as they are common to the fleet and I think its just good business, but are they purchasing them? I would expect that the A330's are leased but who knows.

The point of this is that with the economy going into the toilet, could TS park some owned aircrafts and support the bottom line without paying a lease payment on them...

Thanks for the info...

Grant


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15836 times:
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Hi Gmonney,

only the Airbus A310-300's registered as C-FDAT, C-GFAT, C-GLAT, C-GPAT C-GTSK and C-GSAT are owned by the airline.

The rest of the fleet of Airbus A310's and Airbus A-330-200 and 300's are leased from different leasing companies as GOAL (German Operating Aircraft Leasing), GECAS and ILFC.

Hope this information will help you.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15768 times:



Quoting Gmonney (Thread starter):
The point of this is that with the economy going into the toilet, could TS park some owned aircrafts and support the bottom line without paying a lease payment on them...

Honestly, the last airline in Canada you should worry about is TS ! They are in good shape, and have a lot of money in the bank. They operate 2 aircraft types, A310 and A330, thus cutting down on training and operating costs. They own 6 of those aircraft, (gas up and go situation), and as for the rest that they lease, they pay peanuts for because of the age of those aircraft. (the average age of the A330s they operate is 10 years, and the A310s is almost 19 years)

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15766 times:

I am not worried, just wondering... the age of the aircraft doesn't leave a warm and cuddly feeling as we are going to VRA in Feb, but I know that TS's MX practices are good so no mater how old anything it is, if its well maintained it will be fine,

Thanks for the info,

Grant



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User currently offlineChinook747 From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15677 times:



Quoting Gmonney (Reply 3):
the age of the aircraft doesn't leave a warm and cuddly feeling as we are going to VRA in Feb,

I just flew on their A330 YYC-CUN for New Years and their aircraft was perfectly fine.. their seat pitch is now 31" which is more than you will see on any other Charter carrier


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15563 times:

I was refering more towards the A310's than the A330's, I still chose to sit in Club class, as having once been in a 310 in the back and not having enough leg room... I stand 6'3" and I will have my 18month old on my lap....

Grant



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15531 times:



Quoting Gmonney (Thread starter):
Just wondering what the status of the fleet that TS has, do they Lease or Own most of their aircrafts.

Grant,
You've been around long enough that you should know that the plural of Aircraft is Aircraft, not Aircrafts. The Spell Checker would have told you that.  Smile

John.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15526 times:

Does anybody know if they want to get rid of that single A333? Seems like an oddball.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15478 times:



Quoting Gmonney (Reply 5):
I was refering more towards the A310's than the A330's, I still chose to sit in Club class, as having once been in a 310 in the back and not having enough leg room... I stand 6'3" and I will have my 18month old on my lap....

TS increased the Y class seat pitch on their entire fleet last year. Their related press release (excerpt below) says the average seat pitch was increased by 2" to 32", which probably means that some rows may be slightly more or less.

Montreal, October 24, 2007

Air Transat, Canada's leading holiday travel airline and a subsidiary of Transat A.T. Inc., one of the largest integrated tourism companies in the world, will increase the legroom in the Economy class sections of all of its aircraft starting in May 2008. All travellers who fly on Air Transat next summer will enjoy the comfort of the new cabin configuration.

“We are very pleased to be able to offer a more comfortable flying experience to the millions of travellers who entrust their holiday travel to Air Transat,” said Allen B. Graham, President and Chief Executive Officer, Air Transat. “The additional space and the changes respond to a desire expressed by our customers.”

The fleet modification work will start next May and is scheduled for completion in mid-June. The average space between each row of seats will be increased to 32 inches from the current 30 (to 81 cm from 76 cm). This will result in a reduction in the number of seats to 249 from 259 on the fleet’s Airbus A310s, and to 342 from 362 on the A330s. The number of Club class seats remains unchanged in both aircraft: 20 on the A310s and 21 on the A330s.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15436 times:

On the A310 anyway, the issue with the seats isnt the pitch, its the width. Im only 5' 7" but rather rounder than I should be (!!) and the 3-3-3 config was dead uncomfortable for a long red eye - it should be 2-3-2  crowded   crowded   crowded 


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User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15391 times:



Quoting Chinook747 (Reply 4):
I just flew on their A330 YYC-CUN for New Years and their aircraft was perfectly fine.. their seat pitch is now 31" which is more than you will see on any other Charter carrier



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
TS increased the Y class seat pitch on their entire fleet last year. Their related press release (excerpt below) says the average seat pitch was increased by 2" to 32", which probably means that some rows may be slightly more or less.

I agree with the "more or less" comment. With charter / "leisure" airlines that modify the traditional seat pitch from either the extremes or sardine (189Y in a Sunwing B738) or comfortable (166Y in a WS 738), different parts of the plane have different pitches.

I flew on a Skyservice 757 (Signature Vacations in First Choice colours) two months ago and the seats on left side, midplane were about 1" ~ 2" more pitch then on the right side, midplane. They promote their seat pitch as being 30" ~ 32" in Y.

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):
Does anybody know if they want to get rid of that single A333? Seems like an oddball.

TS has three 332 and one 333. The seat count is the same or just one or two seats different. They do it by having 3-3-3 on the 332 and 2-4-2 on the 333. I've flown on both and the 333 is much nicer! Full headrests as well! So I suppose the 333 and 332 are almost interchangable as far as TS is concerned.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15362 times:



Quoting CXH (Reply 10):
The seat count is the same or just one or two seats different. They do it by having 3-3-3 on the 332 and 2-4-2 on the 333. I've flown on both and the 333 is much nicer! Full headrests as well! So I suppose the 333 and 332 are almost interchangable as far as TS is concerned.

I know that. The almost identical number of seats is in fact the reason for questioning the A333s role in TS's fleet. Of course the A333 is more spacious, but it has less range.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15347 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
Of course the A333 is more spacious, but it has less range.

I don't think range is a critical issue. I can't think of any TS routes that are beyond the A333's range.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15250 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
I don't think range is a critical issue. I can't think of any TS routes that are beyond the A333's range.

Longest flight TS operates is from YVR to MUC, and the flight is 8,365 km, which is technically above the A333's range as per Transat's website.

http://www.airtransat.ca/en/7_3_3.asp

Most of the time however, that flight operates with a stopover through YYC. 3 out of the 16 flights from YVR to MUC this summer will be non-stop, and the rest through YYC.

Second longest is YYZ to ATH, at 8,149km, which is also never operated by the A333, but by the A332.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-01-16 23:09:24]


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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15001 times:



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 6):
Grant,
You've been around long enough that you should know that the plural of Aircraft is Aircraft, not Aircrafts. The Spell Checker would have told you that.

You are right John, what would I do with out you.... looks like I have to go back to school.... oh and as I keep hoping, my kid gets my wifes brains, cause he already has my good looks!

Grant



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14916 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 9):
it should be 2-3-2

Has anyone ever operated an A300 or A310 in this Y configuration? I thought the standard was 2-4-2, increasing to 3-3-3 for high-density operations.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 6):
the plural of Aircraft is Aircraft, not Aircrafts

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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14874 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 9):
it should be 2-3-2

Has anyone ever operated an A300 or A310 in this Y configuration? I thought the standard was 2-4-2, increasing to 3-3-3 for high-density operations.

Well, the A340 has the same fuselage width - SQ had 2-3-2 Y class on their A345s before they converted them to all-business class. However, 2-3-2 is more like premium Y - heck, some airlines have seven abreast in business class!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14776 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
Well, the A340 has the same fuselage width - SQ had 2-3-2 Y class on their A345s before they converted them to all-business class. However, 2-3-2 is more like premium Y - heck, some airlines have seven abreast in business class!

Yes, EK A332s are 7-abreast (2-3-2) in business class. Very uncompetitive.


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