Fiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
There was one sitting on the AA MX ramp here in TUL as I left work yesterday. Still had full AA colors and not the blue stripe they use to fly it off to rest. Might still have some flying left. I couldn't see the tail number.
Amccann From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3891 times:
Is there any possibility of these aircraft leaving the desert after they get there? I don't have any statistics on cycles or hours but would they generally be higher cycle and hour aircraft because they were used quite frequently between the US east coast and the Caribbean? I could see Iran Air wanting these birds, but they would have to get there through a round about means considering the embargo.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. - Ronald Reagan
AAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 274 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:
Sad to see old friends heading out to pasture but we have been through this before. Seeing all the 727s retire was very emotional if one had spent much of their life in one of them. We all have certain aircraft that mean something to us because of a first flight, first trip to a neat place, moment or milestone in life the aircraft reminds us of, or just that it is/was a really cool aircraft that we become attached to for various reasons.
The bus fleet has always interested me somewehat because of its unique and perhaps
somewhat isolated mission within the overall AA system. One could hang around DFW and ORD for years at a time anf never know that the company even flew the bus. Whereas one could visit MIA, JFK and SJU and think that half or more of the AA heavy metal fleet were buses.
Although I personally do not feel the attachment for them others might, there is one question that nags at me.
We all know or should realize that the bus fleet became an increasing dispatch and fix-up pest. Not that their issues could not be worked around but they did exist and everyone knows it. Then the matter of flying a 35 aircraft mini-fleet within the system focused on the Caribbean and shallow South America. Then the question of B vs A aircraft and the AA "relationship" with A. The busses were a great deal when acquired and have served well despite the negative vibes about the tail assembly and how to fly them, etc.
Given all of that, the question is: replacement of cargo lift in the markets where hauling stuff rather than people earns significant revenue, often more than justifying passenger capacity that can sometimes exceed demand. Will the mix of 752, 738 or drop-in 763 equipment suffice?
People smarter and better informed than we have decided yes, the busses will go to the desert for probably permanent retirement and not a full freighter conversion. By their calculus, it is better now for them to get a well deserved rest given their life cycles than to retain their cargo lift.
Candid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 748 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 3): I was there just yesterday on business and I saw at least 2 AA A300s parked in the ramp, next to several UPS 747s and DC8s and Gemini Cargo DC-10s
Somebody actually went to Roswell? You never see any photos in the database and very little information gets reported on this fascinating airport, one of the most interesting of its kind anywhere in the world in my opinion, and arguably the easiest of the big storage airfields to get to as it has scheduled flights unlike MZJ, MHV and VCV.
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 3): Any word if any of these birds will find a new life as cargo aircraft?
I wonder if, with hindsight, AA wishes it had sold them to FedEx a few years ago?
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4324 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3116 times:
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Still eight more months to go before they are all gone from the fleet. I wish to fly on it one more time before they are gone. Anyone knows when and where the final flight will be? I am sure that it will arrive in either MIA or JFK, I don't wee where else. I was going to post a thread about this but since this one is all about the AA A300 I post here.
I was never interested in taking a holiday in Miami, I was never a fan of that city, but I would go there just to fly one last time on the Airbus A300 aircraft before they are gone for ever. So a.net fellows, if you go to Miami any time soon, try to book a flight on the A300 if you can, this aircraft in passenger version is becoming rare in the United States. You'd better fly on those now before it's too late. The only domestic route I see with the A300 is JFK-MIA-JFK, and maybe SJU.
Charles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1334 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
Quoting Candid76 (Reply 10): Somebody actually went to Roswell? You never see any photos in the database and very little information gets reported on this fascinating airport
LOL! Yeah, we had to go to ROW for business and you know what, the town wasn't half bad. As for the airfield I took plenty of pics (PM me if interested, I doubt they'll load them up here) as you can get very close to the fences. There were several very recent arrivals such as a US752, UA733 and 735, WN733, AAMD80s and A300s, and the like. Looking up their regs on databases some of the a/c that I saw had been operating flights as late as Nov 2008, now they are already being parted out! Most interesting finds were an Air Pullmantur 743, Air Comet A310, ex-WAL (Western Africa Link) L-1011, a few ATA L-1011s, Arrows' and UPS' DC8s, quite a few AC 762s, and a German Air Force A310 (ship 10-22) doing touch and go's (I found out that the German Air Force conducts training at the facility). Roswell is not exactly a vacation hot spot but the airport alone is worth a day trip.
Yes sir... I used to work at that storage facility. It is quite unique, I would agree. I was able to go full circle one UPS 727, it was the first ACFT i worked on there, we sent it out to go make more money, then about 2 years later I was there to catch it when they retired the whole fleet. It was ship 918. I love the experience I got there, and in some way I do miss working there! I just wish I had more pictures to show for it.
I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to planes!
Candid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 748 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
I enjoyed my trip to Roswell - the Aliens on signs in the terminal, the Alien museum, even Aliens painted on the taxi rank shelter at Wal-Mart! The Aliens were just a bonus though as it was definitely the aircraft we went for and that was well worth the effort. Mind you, had we tried to go a day earlier we would never have got in because of snow, but that's another story!
Now I must try and find a way of seeing those old 727s at Maxton...