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US Airways A320 Down In Hudson River, Part 3  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36345 times:

Continuation of part 2 of this thread, which can be found here:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4283800/

212 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36739 times:

Good set of photos here;

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/slideshow...149398&subsectionname=nyplanecrash



If you cannot see the slideshow, cut and paste the above link directly.

Regards, JetMech

[Edited 2009-01-15 17:51:46]


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36325 times:

I'm curious about a few somethings:

Are the pilots free to go home tonight? or Do they stay at a hotel with NTSB investigators?

How long till the next time they fly ? Do they have to wait till the final report or just the initial investigation?

Kudos to the crew of US. You guys have done a tremendous job. I wish you all the best!

CO7e7


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36235 times:

Wasn't there a sucessful river ditching in Indonesia a few years ago as well? Could anyone remember?


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36319 times:



Quoting JetMech (Reply 1):

Picture 4 is the first one I have seen of it just before the crash landing.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36244 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 2):
How long till the next time they fly ?

That is what I also wonder. When will they get back to work again?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36262 times:

Well, Bill O'Reilly just interviewed some of the rescue personnel including one guy who pulled 54 people onto his boat, and then talked to a lawyer about lawsuits and "acts of god" and how somebody will likely sue despite no evidence of wrongdoing and all evidence of heroism.

So he said that if any lawyer decides to sue US Airways after this crash, claiming negligence or pilot error or whatever, Bill will "spotlight" the "sleazy" lawyer and shame him. If that's possible.

It's nice that somebody is going to stand up for the heros today, even if it is Mr. O'Reilly.



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User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36210 times:

Anyone know anything about the F/O?


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36161 times:

About time someone had a go at Lawyer's for this kind of thing, good on him.

Also, will US Airways have to pay mooring charges  Smile (Considering it is now moored at a jetty)


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36106 times:



Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 7):
Anyone know anything about the F/O?

Unfortunately, he hasn't recieved any publicity as of yet.

Do we know who the PIC was? the capt. or the FO?


User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36094 times:

Let's recap what has happened so far, shall we?

US Airways Flt 1549 LGA-CLT (CLT-SEA leg cancelled), Type A320, Reg. N106US
Fuselage intact.
All passengers + crew accounted for.
Double bird strike, both engines out. News people speculate canadian geese
Total flight time was around 3 mins.
Plane ditched into saltwater Hudson River, movement controlled by patrol boats.
A/C departed LGA runway 4. Ground stop initially, now all normal ops.
Primary hospitals include Roosevelt, St. Vincents
Around 25-50 pax sent to Roosevelt for treatment to exposure



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User currently offlineRkmcswain From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36067 times:

Nevermind....................................

[Edited 2009-01-15 18:02:57]

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36080 times:

Will this aircraft ever take off into the skies again?? Or will it be scrapped?


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User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35982 times:

ONLY 3 F/A'S FOR 150 + PAX

Why were there not more F/A's on this flight?

How is 1 F/A supposed to be responsible for operating 2 doors at one time, and be responsible for PAX evacuating a ditched ACFT in life rafts on 2 different sides of the ACFT?

It doesn't make sense...  white 


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36003 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):

It was been totally submerged, and rammed a few times by river boats, as well has having either both or one engine totally sheered off on impact with the water.

I doubt we will see this in the air again, though I may be wrong.


User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35982 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):
Will this aircraft ever take off into the skies again?? Or will it be scrapped?

If it stays in one piece, and doesn't sustain significant water damage, I wouldn't be surprised to see it flying again.

Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13):
ONLY 3 F/A'S FOR 150 + PAX

Why were there not more F/A's on this flight?

How is 1 F/A supposed to be responsible for operating 2 doors at one time, and be responsible for PAX evacuating a ditched ACFT in life rafts on 2 different sides of the ACFT?

It doesn't make sense...

I would assume that the pax in the exit rows got those doors opened, so that would be two less doors for the FA's to handle.

[Edited 2009-01-15 17:59:48]


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User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35942 times:

Wow this is quite a shocking thing to come home to!

This is amazing! Wow, this is interesting.

Quoting LHR380 (Reply 14):
It was been totally submerged, and rammed a few times by river boats, as well has having either both or one engine totally sheered off on impact with the water.

I doubt we will see this in the air again, though I may be wrong.

Water+A320=Scrapped


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35923 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 14):
It was been totally submerged, and rammed a few times by river boats, as well has having either both or one engine totally sheered off on impact with the water.

I doubt we will see this in the air again, though I may be wrong.

Agree with you. Would be surprised to see this up in the air again.



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3671 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35908 times:

Someone mentioned at the end of Part 2 of this thread that if the engines had failed 15-20 seconds earlier, they wouldn't have made the water. I don't think that's true:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...681&spn=0.064074,0.154495&t=h&z=13

If you look at the terrain surrounding the flight path off runway 04, it seems like they'd have been in range of water no matter when the engines went out. (If they lost power earlier, they could have turned right instead of left. If they were already in the left turn, they likely would have made the river regardless - there are no tall buildings up there in Manhattan.) In fact, there have been several accidents on takeoff or landing at LGA, and all that I know of have involved either crashing at the airport or in the water. I can't think of one that involved crashing in any populated area.

The same is not necessarily true at JFK just a few miles away, as we've seen... even though it's also adjacent to water.



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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35897 times:



Quoting KBUF (Reply 15):
If it stays in one piece, and doesn't sustain significant water damage, I wouldn't be surprised to see it flying again.

Huh? Sorry, but there is zero chance of that happening. Zero. Aircraft and salt water do NOT go together at all.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35811 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 19):
Huh? Sorry, but there is zero chance of that happening. Zero. Aircraft and salt water do NOT go together at all.

So it is lost hull for US airways.



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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35813 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 19):
Huh? Sorry, but there is zero chance of that happening. Zero. Aircraft and salt water do NOT go together at all.

Well, you never know. I believe the JAL DC-8 that had a water landing eventually returned to service, so I guess it is possible.



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User currently offlineSankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35821 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13):
ONLY 3 F/A'S FOR 150 + PAX

Why were there not more F/A's on this flight?

How is 1 F/A supposed to be responsible for operating 2 doors at one time, and be responsible for PAX evacuating a ditched ACFT in life rafts on 2 different sides of the ACFT?

One of the survivors -- a medical student -- reported on CNN (he is on Larry King right now) that one of the FAs had a cut on the leg, and was panicked, asking if she would make it. He had to calm her down, told her not to panic, and got her out.

So it appears there were only 2 FAs who might have helped in the evacuation.


User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35721 times:

Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13):
ONLY 3 F/A'S FOR 150 + PAX

I think that's FAA minimum staffing: 1 FA per 50 people, per FAR 91.533.

"(3) For airplanes having more than 100 passengers on board, two flight attendants plus one additional flight attendant for each unit (or part of a unit) of 50 passengers over 100."

Repeating the previous sentiment, mad kudos to the crew and pilots, rescues and all involved for a successful ditching.

->Edit for appropriate FAR.

[Edited 2009-01-15 18:09:43]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35728 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 9):
Do we know who the PIC was? the capt. or the FO?

The captain is always PIC. I don't know who was actually flying the leg, but I would assume that it was the captain that did the ditching.

Quoting USAFDO (Reply 13):
ONLY 3 F/A'S FOR 150 + PAX

It was 150 pax. Since you need 1 F/A for every 50 pax, they were right at the upper limit. Perfectly legal.

-Mir



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25 Jetjack74 : To address a post in the forerunning thread: First off, the FAA minimum crew requirements is set at 1 FA for 50 passenger seats o an aircraft. So 3 FA
26 Ikramerica : I'd just like to give a shout out to the fast acting rescue people of New York and New Jersey. People badmouth New York as a place with rude people an
27 RonmacIAH : I saw the same thing and I guess we should know better than to expect accurate info from the hometown paper...sheesh. As usual, the media performance
28 Mir : It probably won't fly again, but it would make a pretty good mockup for emergency training. -Mir
29 Asuflyer : Does anybody know where the plane is at now? Any places to see it?
30 T prop : That airplane is scrap.
31 Canuckpaxguy : Did anyone watching the CNN coverage of this crash happen to notice the Cisco Telepresence commercial that's been airing? It's a parody of a pre-fligh
32 Okie : I would not go so much with the salt water damage. The power plants are most likely have been removed by the water landing. The aircraft will be defu
33 Post contains links PacificWest : http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...i-planeinriver-wis,0,1241962.story Co-Pilot Jeffrey Skiles of Oregon, Wisconsin... age 49
34 Asuflyer : The airframe has been damaged while it was being tugged by tugboats.
35 LHR380 : From pics that were linked in reply 1, its moored to a jetty to stop it going any further down river, or from totally submerging. I don't actually Kn
36 StasisLAX : According to passenger in the life raft that contained the flight crew just interviewed by phone on MSNBC - speed at time of water impact was 120 mph
37 JFK69 : Last I saw it was at the tip of Manhattan by Battery Park....probably some spots to see it down there but not sure what the cop situation is. If you
38 Ikramerica : They use inflatable bladders to lift the plane up on top of the water, allowing the water to drain out naturally. Then the plane can be lifted via sa
39 Richierich : I agree with most of the other posters - this aircraft will never fly again. Even if there was little corrosion damage, the repair bill alone would b
40 Ikramerica : The initial report was of a small plane down, not a jetliner. Even a.net had a thread titled with small plane. All that happened with this news story
41 Jetjack74 : If they get the smell of the river water out of it.
42 Richierich : Posted on thread #2 before being rudely cutoff by the moderators (just kidding, that thread was 230+ posts long!) Question for the pilots out there -
43 DeltaRules : Larry King just asked the doctor being interviewed (Instrument rated) if he's ever had a bird strike. The doctor explained the slight difference of ha
44 Ktachiya : Amazing pilots!!! Although there are catastrophes with human lives involved, I am extremely glad to hear that there have been events over the years wi
45 Cactus742 : Seriously? O'Reilly is ALREADY talking about going after lawyers before all of the people are even rescued? While I agree that the concept of a lawsu
46 Post contains links Litz : Look at the markings atop the fuselage in this photo : http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gad...hows/825/slide_825_14782_large.jpg Do you think that's .
47 Post contains links Asuflyer : http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eNoaNs2Pd596/Us_airways This photo shows the damage done to the aircraft by a tugboat. The cockpit window is cracked and
48 HighFlyer9790 : quote from part 2 from user Itsjustme: Calling someone a "hero" for doing something they're trained to do diminishes true heroic acts. Yes, from early
49 BooDog : Per seatguru.com, the plane holds 150 passengers. At 100% load factor, the flight is legal with only three flight attendants.
50 Richierich : I agree - in my mind, O'Reilly is no better than the lawyers he claims to be bashing. I mean, crap, the plane is still in the Hudson and all the luck
51 RedFlyer : I haven't had time to read 400+ posts on this topic. All I've barely had time to do is to look at the news sites and peek at the photos. What do I see
52 Richierich : In fairness, it IS their job to fly us safely from one place to another. We entrust pilots with our most precious possessions: ourselves and our love
53 FlyMIA : I am still amazed at this incident. This pilot is a hero there is no other way to put it. In the end he will just say he was doing his job but this gu
54 RDUDDJI : First off, hats off to all involved. Excellent job handling this emergency. I no longer work in the Airline Industry, but three different people in my
55 STT757 : I think once they are done examining the aircraft the most fitting thing to do with the aircraft is to put it on display at the Intrepid, it landed d
56 AndrewC75 : The number of flight attendants is based on the capacity of the plane, not the number of seats occupied. Whether the load factor is 10% or 100%, thre
57 Bcoz : I just wanted to add my salute to Captain Sullenberger and First Officer Skiles. That was one hell of a piece of airmanship that we witnessed this aft
58 CYLW : Is that an FAA rule or a US Airways rule? In Canada, this is not the case.
59 Post contains links Whynottu204 : Was just reading some posts on this incident at www.avia.ru and found an interesting link to a similar situation that occured in St. Petersburg (Lenin
60 NYkr : Media reports keep discussing how the NTSB will be able to examine the engines when the aircraft is lifted out of the Hudson to see whether there is e
61 Post contains links STT757 : Some really good photos here, click on the link if it disables the popup. http://www.msnbc.com/modules/interac...e=ss&launch=28679343,28678669&pg=2 bt
62 Patches : I think this erases any doubt that the A-320 is not a well built plane. ( or any other Airbus for that matter) I dont think a Ist generation jet would
63 Tsaord : Wow. I work in T2 where US is Present. Once we heard everyone survived we were all relived. Kudos to everyone! This is indeed a miracle! To think this
64 B747forever : Wow, that looks really bad. That would be really nice actually.
65 NIKV69 : Water destroys everything. I mean the interior and all the avionics are useless as are the engines. It would be like rebuilding the thing from scratc
66 MCOflyer : I am proud that all went well as it did as this accident could have been a lot worse. Not many people say" I survived an accident." Also, these pilots
67 PROSA : Chances are the outcome would've been worse had it come down in the East River close to LGA. The water is rougher there - the East River is not actua
68 Drgreen757 : I don't know if this has been asked (to many replies to go back thru and read), does anyone know what engines that 320 had on it? CFM56 or V2500? Just
69 EMBQA : Are you actually serious....??
70 Post contains links LH423 : Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asoh_defence However... Aircraft technology has advanced much the past 40 years. Back then you might get away with
71 Post contains links Prebennorholm : I would guess that's nothing compared to how the lower side of the fuselage looks like, having hit water going 120 kts or whatever. Most likely it is
72 Tsaord : BUT! No credit is being given to the FO. It wasn't one but two people in that cockpit. I hope when the pilot speaks out for the first time he spreads
73 USAFDO : Well I say there should be 1 F/A stationed at each door... not 1 for 2 doors! What happens if that 1 and only perishes in the incident?
74 STT757 : Having taken ferries from New Jersey to Shea Stadium to see Mets games I can attest to high rough the East RIver is, we were on one ferry once that I
75 PROSA : In fairness, CNN reports that a FA had a broken leg, not just a cut on the leg.
76 B747forever : Agree. It even seems that a bit of the flap is hanging loosely.
77 EstorilM : I can't even begin to fathom the physics involved in this accident.. hopefully this will start to set in with other pilots and officials/high ranking
78 Post contains links Elite : Just saw a news video clip of the crash on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABSFgKij2tQ I believe there is another video on the BBC site for th
79 Post contains links STT757 : More reports, pilots were going to try for TEB but changed their minds probably because they were losing too much altitude/speed too quickly. The loca
80 Sankaps : As mentioned in a couple of posts, one of the FAs had an injury on her leg and had to be helped out by passengers. Not clear yet what situation the o
81 Post contains links B747forever : Airport mentioned: http://gc.kls2.com/airport/TEB Seems that it had enough of runway to take the A320.
82 Okie : FAA rule for part 121 carriers 1-19 seats no FA required 20-50 seats 1 FA required 1 additional FA per 50 seats That was the insanity of TED planes t
83 Jetjack74 : Well, if you become the FAA director, you'll be able to make that call. That's why the safety card is in your seatback pocket. Passengers should read
84 Afitch7881 : Some aviation expert that guy is on MSNBC, geez.
85 Elite : Haha yeah, I had a feeling he wasn't really an "expert"... well, they did say "correspondent".
86 Maxpower1954 : The JAL DC-8 that landed in San Francisco Bay in 1968 manage to stay intact enough to fly another 30 years.
87 STT757 : The runway in question they were directed to land on at TEB is 7,000ft long, the same as LGA's runways. TEB can accommodate A320s, 737s and even 757s
88 Dragon6172 : I think its from the bow of a boat.
89 ULMFlyer : An outstanding feat or airmanship by Capt. Sullenberger and F/O Skiles, worthy of receiving The 2009 Hugh Gordon-Burge Memorial Award. This is awarded
90 FX1816 : I saw one pic, can't remember which channel, that showed that the number 1 engine came off of the pylon. FX1816
91 Allstarflyer : Yeah, after the fact that all the people are still alive, I think about the airframe and all the equipment onboard - what parts exactly could be salv
92 N766UA : Haha, "it appears to be a regional jet." Gotta love the media's "aviation experts." Major kudos to the crew, though. That's some masterful airmanship
93 EstorilM : Haha, I can just imagine the look on the NTSB diver's face when they look under the left wing.. "uhh.. hmm.. think these ferries have fish-finders?"
94 ULMFlyer : I don't really know which one you are talking about and I'm sure you're right, but Keith Olbermann had Capt. Denny Fitch (of UA232 fame) as a guest i
95 PeachAir : You may want to research this before jumping to a quick conclusion. I recall a National AIrlines B727 crashed into the bay off KPNS in the late 70's
96 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : You're probably referring to the following Garuda 737-300 in 2002. There was one fatality, a flight attendant. http://aviation-safety.net/database/re
97 Post contains links Elite : He was referring to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABSFgKij2tQ You may not find this expert as "flawless" as Keith Olbermann.
98 FX1816 : Keith Olbermann and serious news, that is probably the BIGGEST oxymoron on the planet, this guy was terrible on ESPN and is nothing but worthless on
99 FX1816 : But to get back on track, GREAT JOB by the US flight crew!!!! I'm glad that it worked out as well as it did with NO fatalities. FX1816
100 OPNLguy : ---->>> Male passengers waited for women and children to get off first. I'll defer to the professional flight attendants out there (since that's not m
101 Skydrol : Plane's washed... they can lift it out to dry now! LD4
102 Maxpower1954 : Well Peachair, you might want to research yourself a little further. The National 727 sat in Escambia Bay for nearly three weeks before being raised.
103 Comorin : The plane has come to its resting place right by Mir's old high school - Stuy. I smell a conspiracy here.
104 Litz : The economics are completely different ... JAL's DC-8 was an almost brand-new airplane and there was a backlog of orders for them at the time. It was
105 OPNLguy : Jay Leno just said that FAA advised to leave it where it is---since it's in the Hudson, it'll probably dissolve on its own in about a week...
106 AcNDTTech : It could depend on what the insurance company decides.....If it is cheaper to repair than to replace, it will pay for the repairs. To make this aircr
107 Clo1973 : I do not kwow if someone brought this issue up....but in a ditch like this, I always wonder if there were animals in the cargo area? If so, were they
108 KELPkid : It's funny enough flying WN these days, as the safety briefing now includes the proper usage of the life vests (they didn't carry those until a coupl
109 EstorilM : Anyone with some insight as to my Ram Air Turbine deployment question? Technically this should have been deployed, right? And the hydraulic pressure i
110 IAirAllie : Some FA postions on an FAA minimum crewed aircraft have primary and secondary door responsibilities. CRJ 200 for example the FA has the main cabin do
111 Etops1 : Anyone with some insight as to my Ram Air Turbine deployment question? Technically this should have been deployed, right? And the hydraulic pressure i
112 PlanesNTrains : He may be over the top, but at least someone is interested in defending "me", so to speak. I know that when I listen to him, he often makes statement
113 Post contains links Canuckpaxguy : Here's a neat little link to a slide-show the CBC put together highlighting a number of scary flights in recent memory. It's a Canadian site, so there
114 Post contains links and images SXDFC : Here are some pictures of the plane on its way into the water.. I saw these via yahoo so pardon the quality: Photo Credit : AP Photo/Trela Media
115 EstorilM : Crazy AOA.. don't see my RAT either.
116 Post contains links Smcmac32msn : If you look at the MSNBC site posted, my guess is those marks on top of the bird are that of a boat that had pushed up against the aircraft in the re
117 RFields5421 : Depends upon the definition of success - there was one fatality in that instance. As noted above at least one Russian jetliner, possible two, have ma
118 Jhooper : I don't know anything about Airbus products or if they have manual reversion capability, but I can tell you that the plane I fly doesn't have this ca
119 ConcordeGBOAD : I didn't search the other two threads, however has anyone posted the ATC chatter between the two?
120 Post contains links Maxpower1954 : You can add one more: 1962 sucessfull ditching of a Northwest DC-7C in the Pacific with 102 on board, no fatalities. Northwest also had a ditching in
121 Post contains links Jhooper : Somebody wrote earlier about bird activity in the NOTAMs. There are actually a couple of resources one could use to predict bird activity in a given a
122 AAMDanny : After all the threads and posts on here saying that its almost impossible for a airliner to conduct a water landing.... survival rate being low etc. T
123 727forever : Okay, I know a little something about the A320. They all come standard with a Ram Air Turbine (RAT). It is located on the belly and powers the Blue h
124 Jhooper : Maybe we'll stop hearing about those "greedy, overpaid pilots", for a short while anyway.
125 Jetjack74 : Maybe this will make the case that flight attendants are underpaid.
126 PlanesNTrains : Or maybe next time, they'll take the train. -Dave
127 Phatty3374 : Hi all, In response to above, it was stated before in the thread that most commercial airliners since the 742 have a "ditch" button that closes anyth
128 Copter808 : I don't think this was intended as a put-down of the crew. Just a remark about doing their job correctly with exceptional results. You may certainly
129 727forever : Only long enough for the hydraulic pressure to bleed down as the engines spool down. Windmilling engines would not be able to make enough pressure ei
130 KBUF : MSNBC has Denny Fitch (of UA 232 fame) on the phone right now.
131 Continental : I felt he was a bit bitter for some reason. He talked about how the weather conditions were good for landing in the river and to me seemed to belittl
132 SASD209 : I heard that also, but didn't get that impression....I thought he was being as factual as possible. Let's face it, the weather, time of day, and loca
133 FrmrCAPCADET : Someone raised the point that rear exits are not to be opened on a water landing, as it will sink the plane. Others seemed to mention that 6 exits, in
134 Mir : There is science behind it - you're told that the best way to do it is to have the gear up (minimize drag with the water), land parallel to the swell
135 OPNLguy : I didn't get that feeling at all... I don't think he was belittling 1549's pilot, per se, but was instead probably trying to make the following point
136 Post contains links and images Moose135 : I took a ride in to the city tonight to try to get some photos. It is just south of Chambers Street along the waterfront. The streets nearest to wher
137 Alessandro : This bird had to be very heavy, lot of pax and fuel, did they manage to dump any fuel before landing? Can´t see any fuel slick nearby on the river? H
138 SASD209 : While I'm no expert, I don't believe the A320 has that capability. In any event, seeing as they didn't have time to send out a MAYDAY that they were
139 ExSR : correct, it hasn´t.[Edited 2009-01-16 00:32:03]
140 Mir : From other photos from other angles, it looks like the inboard trailing edge flap was torn off as well. The 320 can't dump fuel. And while it was ful
141 Alessandro : Aviation-safety claim 6 minutes total flighttime, 4 minutes flight time after the flameout. Didn´t know that the A320 couldn´t dump fuel. Perhaps in
142 Alessandro : Well, I think Airbus is very interested to have a look on this bird, so when NTSB is ready, I reckon it´s going to Toulose?
143 Cricket : Pretty sure Airbus will want to study this bird as will several flight safety agencies across the world. I'm sure the 'Hudson River Miracle' will mak
144 Aa757first : I'm not a flight attendant, but I agree. I'm pretty sure the standard is to get all passengers evacuated in 90 seconds. If the story about the men wa
145 Post contains links OA260 : Some amazing pics here :: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...esley_Sullenberger_Praised_As_Hero
146 Post contains links PilotRecruit : Does anyone know if it's standard practice for US Airways to have the APU running on takeoff? If not, to answer the question of who was flying the pla
147 NorthstarBoy : On a related note, i noticed thru my GDS that US 1532, the redeye from Sea-Clt, which i assume was to have been the turnaround for 1549, was operated
148 N49WA : I apologize in advance if this has already been mentioned, but the media is focusing the spotlight on the captain. Yes, he is a hero, but so are the f
149 L4DashTrash : One thing I want to say about this statement, the F/a had broken her leg, so that cut may have been more than a cut. At that point she has also becom
150 Toulouse : As stated before, this fulfilled legal requirements. As far as I'm concerned, the entire crew, the rescue services, the civilians who helped are all
151 Mir : Much easier for Airbus to come to wherever the airplane ends up (probably Long Island or New Jersey). -Mir
152 Starlionblue : IIRC the Hudson at this point is not so much a river as a tidal estuary. AFAIK CFM. To be fair, it does have an EMB-170 vibe to it from that angle. B
153 Whappeh : So did everyone survive? Edit: just read more into the thread. Glad to hear everyone survived. My parents are F/As with US Airways and anytime a US bi
154 Post contains links Mir : Some great stuff from a Washington Post article: Beck, the marketing executive, said he had flown all over the world on business but never bothered t
155 CrimsonNL : Id like to praise the entire crew not just the captain. They did an amazing job! I watched it live on CNN. What a story! Oh and what the heck are kudo
156 Post contains links and images Keesje : Some info on the pilot that seems to have become a public hero. He studied Psychology / HR and was fighter pilot http://safetyreliability.com/about_us
157 Scramjetter : Any pets on board go down with the ship? Hope not.
158 Post contains links DingDong : A term referring to praise for someone else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudos In a sense, similar to saying 'congratulations to particular-person f
159 Whappeh : I suppose now is a good of time as any to ask: but is US Airways going to replace the aircraft with a new build one? As in +1 to their existing narrow
160 Acabgd : " target=_blank>http://aviation-safety.net/database/...116-0 Yup, that's the one, thanks for the info.
161 Keesje : Reading his CV the pilot is /was a seansoned accident investigator for US Airways as well as the Airforce
162 DingDong : Friends has flown on more than a few flights. But still won't read or re-read the safety card for every single flight. But I usually convince them by
163 Planesailing : I am surprised a tourist in and around this location with their camera out didnt manage to take any photographs or film of a jetliner heading for the
164 Mir : It's not really a tourist area. The only attraction around there is the Intrepid, and on a very cold day like it was, people aren't going to want to
165 NCB : It's not science, just speculation. It has never been experimented and results may vary depending on a variety of factors, for instance the presence
166 ExSR : You musn´t forget that Ethopians ditching was influenced by totally different circumstances: hijackers who tried to hinder the flightdeck to ditch t
167 David L : I have to say that when I first heard the breaking news, I thought this was going to be bad, really bad. I'm amazed and delighted by the outcome. Outs
168 United_Fan : I'm glad CNN can do some real 'reporting',other than the constant depressing economy/stock market 'news' they love to drone on about.
169 EDICHC : Once any formal investigation is completed then the insurers will decide the aircraft's ultimate fate and destination. If the aircraft is not written
170 Vfw614 : Conventional wisdom is that the wings have to be kept extremely level in a ditching situation to avoid making water contact with one of the wings firs
171 Post contains links Vfw614 : By the way, here is the culprit for smashing the nose section: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01148FB9xZ3Ao/610x.jpg Is it only me, but I am unde
172 B707forever : O'Reilly is a well known idiot always looking for an angle on the story that will bolster his image and keep him employed. His time has come, gone an
173 Post contains links OA260 : Youtube Simulation :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E5mr...the-story-with-video-pictures-and-
174 Jetfuel : And what great PR for US Airways. Advertising couldn't buy this sort of publicity
175 LTBEWR : From the initial bird strike, to the skill of the cockpit crew, that they were able to land just right on the river, didn't hit any land or building a
176 Ferengi80 : Interesting to see that Sky News here in the UK this morning had former BA Captain Eric Moody on, interviewing him with regard to this incident. Capt.
177 Whappeh : Is it really? I can't see any aircraft incident being "great PR", regardless of loss of life.
178 Mir : Likely hand-flown. -Mir
179 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : Airbus statement: http://www.airbus.com/crisis/index.html
180 Nycbjr : after reading all 400+ posts, there was something mentioned in the first thread about a "ditch" button on the A320.. I didn't really see a solid answe
181 Post contains links Planesailing : Please see the following thread which is in the Tech/Ops forum (was in Civil but was moved). http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.m
182 Post contains links Vfw614 : Not sure if this has been posted already - flight path of the aircraft on google maps with speed and altitude:: http://wherephone.com/usairFlight.htm
183 Jetfuel : Totally. One Airline name US AIRLINES is on the tip of everybody's tongue right now. There's an old saying that any publicity is good publicity and i
184 Whappeh : Its obviously worked so well that I'll be booking with US AIRLINES in the near future.
185 BuyantUkhaa : I agree, that would do the plane justice. Maybe some Intrepid visitors have them. Even in the crappiest weather there are always people there I think
186 Post contains links Vfw614 : As everybody is talking about the captain...: Co-pilot of the flight was 49 year old Jeffrey Skiles from a place called Oregon near Madison, Wisconsin
187 Yellowtail : All in all....this sums it up. It was the captains hobby, his week in week out real life hobby of gliding, and the instincts that come with doing that
188 Post contains links Vfw614 : Interesting picture here with the Intrepid in the foreground: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...0F55000005DC-542_468x532_popup.jpg
189 Greggarious : Ha ha ha, this got me thinking that all the passengers on US 1549 definitely got their water at no $2 extra cost yesterday! But you're right, US Airw
190 Starlionblue : Hand flown. Of course they contributed. But so would modern Boeing controls. There is a misconception that FBW controls enable the pilot to become a
191 Braybuddy : And I always laughed at the safety cards showing the plane floating, the passengers on the wing and the FA standing by smiling, her hair immaculately
192 Jamincan : It seems that skills in a glider translate better to being an airline pilot than one would normally consider. As I recall, before the Gimli Glider in
193 LHR380 : Yea Braybuddy, it looked exactly as it did on the seat back cards, was one of the first things me and a few friends said. You can just see the end of
194 777jaah : Question: Both engines still attached to the wings (May sound stupid I know, but I'm just curious)?? Cheers JAAH
195 LHR380 : Don't know about the right engine, but the left is on the river bed.
196 Post contains links AALuxuryLiner : Excerpt of a first-hand passenger account of the evacuation at Charlotte Observer website Article link here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/112/stor
197 Skibum9 : It is amazing how little knowledge the press or the general public have about airplanes. If you recall, on 9/11, when the first plan hit the towers,
198 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : Another "successful" water landing was National Airlines Flight 193 which was a 727 that landed in Escambia Bay on approach to PNS in 1978. Of course,
199 CodyKDiamond : Wow. Now we can see some damage. I do not know why, but I have a feeling she will fly again, especially if they made tht PA B307 fly again after ditch
200 BuyantUkhaa : So she was sitting on the aircraft's nose. View must be great there, just watch that splash when ditching! Oh sorry, must have been deadheading crew
201 Post contains links Vfw614 : If I am not mistaken, this is a very blurred picture of the Airbus impacting the water: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-182512 Or am I confused ?
202 Nycbjr : thanks was too early this morning I didn't even think to check TechOps lol. congrats to all involved including the NYC folks!! if it wasn't so damn c
203 LHR380 : WOW That is a stunning picture. There are bound to be more pics of it coming in and landing.
204 B747forever : Wow, what a pic. Seems it was taken the same moment the A320 hit the water.
205 Venus6971 : At work when we found out everybody survived and before we knew the identity of the pilot we all speculated it was a EX-USAF fighter pilot because of
206 B777fan : You are not confused. That is the first pic I have seen of the impact.
207 Vfw614 : The label says picture was taken from Henry Hudson Pkwy and 51st St. Must indeed be the very moment the tail hit the water while the nose appears not
208 AustrianZRH : Considering the quality and the angle, probably taken from a CCTV tape.
209 Venus6971 : There is a B-29 on the bottom of Lake Mead that is intact and the whole crew made it out safely.
210 HAWK21M : Looks like a CCTV footage screenshot. I feel some measures to cater to these flocks of birds taking out Powerplants has to come up soon. regds MEL.
211 ChrisNH : The Wall Street Journal, which I come to think of as pretty accurate with its writing and research, had this statement in today's paper: The Airbus A3
212 Post contains links HB-IWC : As this thread has yet again reached critical length, please continue the discussion in installment 4 of this discussion, which you may find here: htt
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