must be a very uniquely skewed year when GE outsell RR & P&W 10:1 on B and RR 10:1 on A, certainly you would have to go back to the days of the conway in 1960 to see such a ratio and even then P&W din't win 10:1 did they?
Have you done deliveries yet PM? (good idea to change colour scheme so her indoors doesn't notice A.net!)
Is it normal when airframe backlogs are so long for airlines to hold off contracting engines or are the airlines waiting to see real performance data on wing? (after improvement packs even?)
I believe they only produce engines for the a32X family. PM only included widebodies. In narrowbodies CFM probably has something like 75% of the market, as they are the sole supplier for the 737. Further, if you look at regional jets, GE is the sole supplier for the CRJ and E-jet series.
Very well then Sir,I shall not keep you any longer...
Quoting Kappel (Reply 10): I believe they only produce engines for the a32X family. PM only included widebodies. In narrowbodies CFM probably has something like 75% of the market, as they are the sole supplier for the 737. Further, if you look at regional jets, GE is the sole supplier for the CRJ and E-jet series.
Thanks. My brain is not quite switched on yet! The title "Widebody Orders" should have given me a clue!
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 15608 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Reply 8): I still dont understand why GE have not got plans to put an engine foward for the A350, or maybe they do??
GE does not want to undermine their monopoly on 777-300ER / 777-200LR.
They are a revenue sharing partner on those programs.
That means they get a slice of the entire airframe sale, not just the engine sale.
And as you may have noticed, these airframes are selling very well indeed.
The old A350 did not threaten this income much, the new one does.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 7): Now if everyone had listened to evil Leahy 5 yrs back and simple put the GENX under a pimped A330.. Probably 100 would have left the line already.
Maybe Udvar Hazy had it wrong afterall..
Which pimped A330 are we talking about?
If as originally planned, Airbus just slapped 787 engines on the A330 and minimize other changes with the goal of getting to market quickly, they'd have lots of interested customers, but they'd undermine both the current A330 orders (customers would choose to wait for the new engine) as well as move the goal posts for the eventual A330 replacement.
As they added more and more enhancements (A350 Mk1 - Mk4) cost and time to market increased yet they hadn't found the sales success they needed.
Thus the fully-composite A350-XWB.
They're in a good position now.
They're selling A330s as fast as they can make them without having invested the money to re-engine the A330.
They're investing in the A330 replacement and getting good market traction for it.
Why is selling 100 re-engined A330s better than selling 100 non-reengined A330s?
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6654 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 9): Maybe. A lot depends on how much market share RR can grab on the 787 and how sales of the A380 hold up. The A350 won't put RR ahead all on its own.
No, but the a330 has seen some VERY healthy RR sales as well recently.
Quoting PM (Reply 9): Patience. I've got to go and cook my wife's dinner first.
Hahaha, sorry. You give us so much, it only leaves us wanting more...
Quoting PM (Reply 14): 2008 : RR outsold PW on Airbus by 49:1
Quoting PM (Reply 15): TOTAL : 3640 (Airbus & Boeing)
RR : 1844 (50.7%)
GE : 1552 (42.6%)
Well, that does give a clue as to how deliveries are going to look like in the near future. For sure no more GE dominance in the widebody segment! RR may soon take over the number one position
Quoting Revelation (Reply 16): GE does not want to undermine their monopoly on 777-300ER / 777-200LR.
I really doubt that's the reason. I think it has more to do with the lack of resources to commit to a new program. Regardless of the monopoly on the 777W/77L, the a350 will sell (and is selling) in big numbers, with or without GE on board. They'd be crazy not to offer an engine if they could.