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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Must be the Eagles.

This year they have flown US, DL and NW.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...8/history/20090116/2022Z/KPHL/KPHX

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

The Eagles used to fly NW exclusively. Maybe they are realizing what they used to have.


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User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Question (if anyone knows). When a pro team charters a flight, does the plane go "as is" or do they take out rows of seats. Hard time imagining those giants cramming into a coach seat, and they all can't fly first class.

User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6436 times:



Quoting Richiemo (Reply 2):
Question (if anyone knows). When a pro team charters a flight, does the plane go "as is" or do they take out rows of seats. Hard time imagining those giants cramming into a coach seat, and they all can't fly first class.

It goes "as is."

I can't speak for NFL teams, but I know for the collegiate ones on NW, the coaches and "star" players (QB, etc.) sit upfront. For coach class they usually leave the center seat open for upperclassmen and/or linemen, and then everyone else just has to deal...



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Thats why, I think, chater airlines were the best choices. They always have aircraft configured in full first class seating. The biggest problem with them is they don't have names such as North West, Delta, or American Airlines. Nothing against these names, but they just aren't a popular sounding as World, Xtra, Miami Air, or even Key Lime Air... Granted some of them aren't as big as the carriers, but working for a charter airline that needs trips like these, it hurts when the big carriers get them...


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6356 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
The Eagles used to fly NW exclusively. Maybe they are realizing what they used to have.

 checkmark  US 752 or NW 330? Yeah it's a no brainer.  Smile


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Quoting Richiemo (Reply 2):
Question (if anyone knows). When a pro team charters a flight, does the plane go "as is" or do they take out rows of seats. Hard time imagining those giants cramming into a coach seat, and they all can't fly first class.

The planes go as is. It's set up that each player gets 1.5 seats so they make due in coach with nobody in a middle seat. They like the 763 and 330 since players can get a group of 2 seats to themselves.

The NBA has a deal with NW and there is a subfleet of 319s that are equipped with 56 first class seats. You couldn't do that with the NFL since the traveling party is usually around 150-180 pax.


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Quoting B727LVR (Reply 4):
Thats why, I think, charter airlines were the best choices. They always have aircraft configured in full first class seating. The biggest problem with them is they don't have names such as North West, Delta, or American Airlines. Nothing against these names, but they just aren't a popular sounding as World, Xtra, Miami Air, or even Key Lime Air... Granted some of them aren't as big as the carriers, but working for a charter airline that needs trips like these, it hurts when the big carriers get them...

Last time for the charter companies in the NFL was 2006 when the Jaguars were on a World MD-11. Not sure which one they used but I think they had one with 180 seats and that would have been awesome for the NFL. The Seahawks in 06 also used one of Paul Allen's 752's but not sure how it was configured.



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6304 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 5):
Last time for the charter companies in the NFL was 2006 when the Jaguars were on a World MD-11. Not sure which one they used but I think they had one with 180 seats and that would have been awesome for the NFL. The Seahawks in 06 also used one of Paul Allen's 752's but not sure how it was configured.

WOW.... A 180seat MD-11 would be awesome!! I don't know what I wuld do with that much room. I'm sure Paul Allens 757 was a classy as it could be. He had some gorgeous aircraft.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

NW has done a very good job of going after charter business, something DL will add to its charter repertoire. DL and NW, IIRC, are the top 2 US carriers for sports charters.

I would bet the MLB can be persuaded to put some of their teams on the 319s in return for giving NW/DL some of their business; MLB entourages are not large and they usually travel late in the evening making a premium product all the more valuable.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3327 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

I thought one of the reasons NW hasn't been the main provider of charter services as they were several years ago is the fact that they have retired many of the aircraft used for this purpose. The DC10's are gone, the 742's are pretty much gone, and the 727's are gone. If I am not mistaken they were the workhorses for the NW sports charters.

Also a regular NFL game US can probably suffice flying the team, but US does not have the extra widebodies NW and DL have to provide one for a game that warrants more capacity


User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5840 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
I would bet the MLB can be persuaded to put some of their teams on the 319s in return for giving NW/DL some of their business; MLB entourages are not large and they usually travel late in the evening making a premium product all the more valuable.

Um, not likely. I'm pretty sure those 319's are put back in the normal pax configuration for the busy summer months. It just so happens that the NBA season corresponds with the airline slow season. Not true of MLB.


User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

The school i go to uses Delta 757's for our charter flights. The players sit 2 players in every row of 3. I think (not positive, but I heard this somewhere) that the NCAA required the teams to allow for 1.5 seats/player on charters. The coaching staff are the only people in the first class section. Behind the players sit the medical staff, behind them sits the equipment staff. then the last few rows are the radio/sports marketing staff that travel with us, some of the big boosters that travel with the team, then a few local media people (news camera crew and sports reporter, newspaper writer), and the last 3 rows on each side are us, the cheerleaders.


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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7344 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5671 times:



Quoting B727LVR (Reply 4):
Granted some of them aren't as big as the carriers, but working for a charter airline that needs trips like these, it hurts when the big carriers get them...



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 5):
Last time for the charter companies in the NFL was 2006 when the Jaguars were on a World MD-11. Not sure which one they used but I think they had one with 180 seats and that would have been awesome for the NFL. The Seahawks in 06 also used one of Paul Allen's 752's but not sure how it was configured.

NFL teams generally don't use charter airlines simply because they don't have the aircraft and resources available for their needs. NFL teams rarely travel in anything less than a 757. There are not many capable charter airlines with availability of 757, 767, A330 type aircraft. Even more so, since NFL teams need charters all on the same days of the week. Its also not cost-effective to put widebodies in a special low density configuration when they are only going to be used one/two days a week.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 8):
I thought one of the reasons NW hasn't been the main provider of charter services as they were several years ago is the fact that they have retired many of the aircraft used for this purpose. The DC10's are gone, the 742's are pretty much gone, and the 727's are gone. If I am not mistaken they were the workhorses for the NW sports charters.

Also a regular NFL game US can probably suffice flying the team, but US does not have the extra widebodies NW and DL have to provide one for a game that warrants more capacity

Partially true. The only segment they really abandoned was the NBA & NHL charters. NW continued and actually expanded its charter work with the NFL and College Football teams in recent years, simply because they could use aircraft in their regular fleet.

College FB teams mostly use A319 & A320s, occasionally a 752. The NFL charters are planned to use a 752/753 (depending on which is available). They are allowed an upgrade to an A330 or 744 for one game, and can pay to upgrade to a larger aircraft whenever they want. They usually use the A330 or 744 on to their farther-away road games, like West Coast games for East Coast teams.

When NW retired the 727's in 2003 and ended the dedicated sport-charter fleet, Champion picked up a number of the teams. However, last season the NBA put Champion on notice and said they needed to get newer, more reliable aircraft or the NBA would not renew their contract. Teams were tired of maintenance issues plaguing the aging 727 fleet along with the noise factor of the aircraft.

NW won the NBA contract starting for this season using a dedicated fleet of A319's. I don't know if any NHL teams are using NW this season.

NW still has 2 pax 742 used exclusively for charters, mostly military work though.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
I would bet the MLB can be persuaded to put some of their teams on the 319s in return for giving NW/DL some of their business; MLB entourages are not large and they usually travel late in the evening making a premium product all the more valuable.



Quoting Michman (Reply 9):
Um, not likely. I'm pretty sure those 319's are put back in the normal pax configuration for the busy summer months. It just so happens that the NBA season corresponds with the airline slow season. Not true of MLB.

NW hasn't done a lot of work with MLB but it is very possible they may now in the future. Also a lot of MLB teams have their own planes.
Michman is correct in his statement in the past, however going forward NW/DL will have ample available aircraft if they wanted to leave the sub-fleet of A319s in sports charter configuration year-round.

In the past two years, NW actually sold a number of A319s to foreign airlines, in addition to creating the sports charter fleet once again. They actually using the DC-9-50 to offset lost A319 capacity (on shorter routes).


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5556 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
I don't know if any NHL teams are using NW this season.

Two. Anaheim and Philly.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
NW hasn't done a lot of work with MLB but it is very possible they may now in the future.

I think the only MLB teams to make a habit of using NWA are the Twins and Tigers, although when their D95 is busy.



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7344 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

I can only think of a handful of times that the Tigers flew on NW as they try to avoid using anyone other than their own plane.

There have been a few direct conflicts last year when the Red Wings were in the playoffs and the Tigers were on the road, both needing to fly on the same night - obviously the Wings got priority during the Stanley Cup run.

I think the Tigers used NW a few times when they were in the playoffs in 2006. I thought they were using a larger aircraft than the team D95.

Also a few times the DC-9-50 had mechanical issues and they called up NW (or when the team plane got stuck in the mud on a taxiway in St. Louis)


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3046 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 13):

I've always seen them on a 320. The Twins, who use NWA regularly, seem to go back and forth between 319s, 320s, and 752s.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineTracker From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Looks like FL is taking the Eagles home. http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...3&airlineCode=FL&flightNumber=8504

No NW or DL charter work from PHX tonight so I certainly think this must be their flight.


User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

The FL flight is a charter flight for a large group of fans, I believe. FL flew them out to PHX yesterday (Saturday) as FL 8505.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Must be a fan flight.

The Eagles are on the 330 again.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9968

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