PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63 Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10414 times:
The last one appears to have gone so time for another thread following the fortunes of the A330/A340.
Highlights to come in 2009:
* Delivery and EIS of the first A330s for SQ.
* Delivery of the 600th A330.
* First flight of the A330F (?).
* Delivery of the 1,000th plane off the line.
* Delivery and EIS of the first A330s for AY.
* Delivery of the first A332s for US and the first A333s for LX.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9365 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 8): I'd hoped to add the delivery of the 100th A346 to that list but my best guess is that will be a milestone achieved in 2010.
Let's hope it will be achieved at all! Lert's hope for example that VS won't cancel or convert their orders. I love the a346!
Quoting PM (Reply 4): Air China's 2008 order was for 20 x A332 but I think some may be taken as A333s. The current trend seems to be to scale up.
At least it was until the global economy collapsed...
The a333 is indeed not doing too bad at the moment. Does CA already operate the a333? I wonder though if any of these chinese orders will be cancelled. The Chinese government was urging the Chinese carriers to defer or cancel orders, so we'll have to wait and see.
As far as I'm aware, CA operates only the A332. However, both China Eastern and Southern have both models, either in service or on order.
For me, the first highlight of the A330 year will be next month, when EI's next new A333, EI-EAV, will be delivered. Another one will follow later in the year!
I was wondering if the A330 might benefit from further delays in the 787 programme, but at this stage, with the aviation industry not doing particularly well, I doubt it. The A330/340 programme will be doing well to hold onto the orders it has - and be thankful for those.
What other major aircraft competitions are outstanding? I cannot think of any major ones right now.
Correction to my comment above; although CA does not currently operates the A333, it has 20 on order.
LH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8915 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11): What other major aircraft competitions are outstanding? I cannot think of any major ones right now.
TK new w/b is still open and to be decided end of the 1st quarter
MH new w/b is still open, but I guess postponed until after the recession
BA 747 replacement
Air AsiaX 350/787
NH 748/380/77W but this is postponed to be decided after the recession ends.
so there are still some big decisions outstanding but who knows if any of these will be booked in 2009
PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8725 times:
Quoting Ivo (Reply 10): December 2008, Iberia ordered another 2 A340-600..
Plus a VIP A345 was booked. A year-end sales boom for the unloved A340!
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11): As far as I'm aware, CA operates only the A332.
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11): although CA does not currently operates the A333, it has 20 on order.
They were booked as A332s and that's still how they appear on the Airbus O&D sheet. But I've also heard that some (all?) will be taken as A333s. Has this been confirmed?
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13): I was thinking of competitions that the A330 might win!
There are persistent rumours that IB will order some (perhaps as part of a deal for A350s and A380s?). Then there's the tantalising rumour about DL (which was indignantly denied by many but which I think may have some truth in it). And then we have the possibility of airlines 'playing safe' and going for A330s until they see what (and when) the 787 will deliver.
I'd say there's still life in the A330 - even in these unpromising times.
Scipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 849 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8669 times:
Quoting Art (Reply 7): When will QF start in-flight refuelling for direct SYD-LHR flights?
Joking apart, let's think this idea through. Could in-flight refuelling make ultra-long haul flights more economical? It would avoid an in-between stop and would reduce the need to "carry fuel to carry fuel" over long distances, but it would require a tanker aircraft to be available, be staffed, take off, and climb to an altitude at which the refueling can take place.
Moreoever, there is the question whether civil aviation authorities would find in-flight refueling safe enough to be undertaken by aircraft loaded with hundreds of civilians.
It looks like it's a new order as IT originally had 5 on order, 2 were transferred to Arik air and the December O&D sheet is showing 3 ordered still by IT and this new order for a private customer. I would't bet on the 3 being cancelled at some point though (along with their A350s and A380s )