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2009 A330/A340 Thread  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

The last one appears to have gone so time for another thread following the fortunes of the A330/A340.

Highlights to come in 2009:

* Delivery and EIS of the first A330s for SQ.
* Delivery of the 600th A330.
* First flight of the A330F (?).
* Delivery of the 1,000th plane off the line.
* Delivery and EIS of the first A330s for AY.
* Delivery of the first A332s for US and the first A333s for LX.

Anything else?

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

I've been calculating widebody orders and deliveries 2006-2008. Here are some numbers for the A330.

TOTAL ORDERS 2006-2008 : 454 (or 45% of total A330 sales since launch)

A332 = 233 (51.3%)*
A333 = 126 (27.8%)
A33F = 77 (17%)
MRTT = 18 (4%)

*But some A332 orders have been or are likely to be converted to A333s.

TOTAL ENGINES : 908

Trent 700 = 522 (57.5%)
PW4000 = 104 (11.5%)
CF6 = 100 (11%)
?? = 182 (20%)**

**Mostly leasing companies but does include Air China (20) and Gulf (20) both of which already fly A330s with RR.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10527 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Anything else?

Appearance of the first A330 in DL colours, I suppose!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10504 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Trent 700 = 522 (57.5%)

I remain amazed to see RR pull ahead so much on the a330. Not that I'm complaining, the Trent is the best looking engine on the a330!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
*But some A332 orders have been or are likely to be converted to A333s.

Do you have any particular airlines in mind that are likely to convert?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10502 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Do you have any particular airlines in mind that are likely to convert?

Aeroflot ordered (OK - leased) A332s but will take some as A333s. Air China's 2008 order was for 20 x A332 but I think some may be taken as A333s. The current trend seems to be to scale up.

At least it was until the global economy collapsed...  Sad


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Anything else?

Hoping to see the first KC-30 pulled out of the Qantas hanger in BNE.

[Edited 2009-01-17 00:26:21]


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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10286 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
* First flight of the A330F (?).

Correct. MSN's 1004 and 1032 are the first to go and will be used for the flight testing campaign.


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Can Airbus deliver 100 in 2009?

Quoting Zeke (Reply 5):
Hoping to see the first KC-30 pulled out of the Qantas hanger in BNE.

When will QF start in-flight refuelling for direct SYD-LHR flights?  Smile


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9860 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Highlights to come in 2009:

I'd hoped to add the delivery of the 100th A346 to that list but my best guess is that will be a milestone achieved in 2010.  Sad


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9536 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'd hoped to add the delivery of the 100th A346 to that list but my best guess is that will be a milestone achieved in 2010.

Let's hope it will be achieved at all! Lert's hope for example that VS won't cancel or convert their orders. I love the a346!

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Air China's 2008 order was for 20 x A332 but I think some may be taken as A333s. The current trend seems to be to scale up.

At least it was until the global economy collapsed...

The a333 is indeed not doing too bad at the moment. Does CA already operate the a333? I wonder though if any of these chinese orders will be cancelled. The Chinese government was urging the Chinese carriers to defer or cancel orders, so we'll have to wait and see.



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User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9299 times:

December 2008, Iberia ordered another 2 A340-600..



Ivo


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 9):
Does CA already operate the a333?

As far as I'm aware, CA operates only the A332. However, both China Eastern and Southern have both models, either in service or on order.

For me, the first highlight of the A330 year will be next month, when EI's next new A333, EI-EAV, will be delivered. Another one will follow later in the year!

I was wondering if the A330 might benefit from further delays in the 787 programme, but at this stage, with the aviation industry not doing particularly well, I doubt it. The A330/340 programme will be doing well to hold onto the orders it has - and be thankful for those.

What other major aircraft competitions are outstanding? I cannot think of any major ones right now.

Correction to my comment above; although CA does not currently operates the A333, it has 20 on order.

[Edited 2009-01-19 12:50:01]

User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9086 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
What other major aircraft competitions are outstanding? I cannot think of any major ones right now.

TK new w/b is still open and to be decided end of the 1st quarter
MH new w/b is still open, but I guess postponed until after the recession
AF-KL 787/350
LH-LX 787/350
BA 747 replacement
QF 351/77W
IB 350/787/748/380
Air AsiaX 350/787
NH 748/380/77W but this is postponed to be decided after the recession ends.

so there are still some big decisions outstanding but who knows if any of these will be booked in 2009



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9007 times:



Quoting LH506 (Reply 12):
so there are still some big decisions outstanding but who knows if any of these will be booked in 2009

OK, fair point - and thanks for the info, but I was thinking of competitions that the A330 might win!


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8924 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
OK, fair point - and thanks for the info, but I was thinking of competitions that the A330 might win!

The 330 could always end up be part of these deals, at least as an interim solution until 350s are available in sufficient numbers.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6999 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8896 times:



Quoting Ivo (Reply 10):
December 2008, Iberia ordered another 2 A340-600..

Plus a VIP A345 was booked. A year-end sales boom for the unloved A340!  Big grin

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
As far as I'm aware, CA operates only the A332.

So far.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
although CA does not currently operates the A333, it has 20 on order.

They were booked as A332s and that's still how they appear on the Airbus O&D sheet. But I've also heard that some (all?) will be taken as A333s. Has this been confirmed?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
I was thinking of competitions that the A330 might win!

There are persistent rumours that IB will order some (perhaps as part of a deal for A350s and A380s?). Then there's the tantalising rumour about DL (which was indignantly denied by many but which I think may have some truth in it). And then we have the possibility of airlines 'playing safe' and going for A330s until they see what (and when) the 787 will deliver.

I'd say there's still life in the A330 - even in these unpromising times.


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 926 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8840 times:



Quoting Art (Reply 7):
When will QF start in-flight refuelling for direct SYD-LHR flights?

Joking apart, let's think this idea through. Could in-flight refuelling make ultra-long haul flights more economical? It would avoid an in-between stop and would reduce the need to "carry fuel to carry fuel" over long distances, but it would require a tanker aircraft to be available, be staffed, take off, and climb to an altitude at which the refueling can take place.

Moreoever, there is the question whether civil aviation authorities would find in-flight refueling safe enough to be undertaken by aircraft loaded with hundreds of civilians.

Any thoughts?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3510 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8715 times:



Quoting Scipio (Reply 16):
Could in-flight refuelling make ultra-long haul flights more economical?

No, not only is it risky, but in-flight refulelling is also very expensive


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8571 times:



Quoting Ivo (Reply 10):
December 2008, Iberia ordered another 2 A340-600..

Wow. I'm surprised by this. I thought that A340 was having a hard time getting new orders. Perhaps IB is doing well with the A346 to Latin America? I'm not sure.

Airbus must be happy about this.

What is going on with the A345? Are TAM and Thai still trying to get rid of theirs, or have they given up?

And what of rumors of QR getting rid of the A346?


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8524 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 18):
And what of rumors of QR getting rid of the A346?

They are going to Oryx Leasing now renamed Qatar Leasing which will be fully operational by 2010 offering 346s, 330s and 320s transferred from the mainline fleet.

Till then the 346 will remain in the fleet, but is no longer the flagship. The 77W has bragging rights till the 380 arrives.



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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8497 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 15):
Plus a VIP A345 was booked.

Is that a new one or already built (ex-Kingfisher)?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8467 times:



Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 20):
Is that a new one or already built (ex-Kingfisher)?

It looks like it's a new order as IT originally had 5 on order, 2 were transferred to Arik air and the December O&D sheet is showing 3 ordered still by IT and this new order for a private customer. I would't bet on the 3 being cancelled at some point though (along with their A350s and A380s  Sad )


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8263 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 15):
Plus a VIP A345 was booked.

We are talking about the VIP A345 for the Gvmt. of Ukraine, sn 1091, aren't we?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8244 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 18):
Wow. I'm surprised by this. I thought that A340 was having a hard time getting new orders. Perhaps IB is doing well with the A346 to Latin America? I'm not sure.

I think that one of these is to replace the one written off in the landing accident in Quito but I could be wrong.


User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 926 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8096 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 22):
We are talking about the VIP A345 for the Gvmt. of Ukraine, sn 1091, aren't we?

This is a joke, I hope?


25 Scipio : Ok. Never mind
26 Post contains links N14AZ : Hmmm, I was tempted to make a joke about them, asking Airbus if they can pay it with natural gas. But actually, NO, it's not a joke, see link below:
27 CXfirst : Does anyone know the status of the first SQ A330? Any idea on the date of delivery? (I know its supposed to be in January) -CXfirst
28 Post contains links Kappel : Delivered today! http://www.eads.net/1024/en/pressdb/...ssdb/20090121_airbus_sia_a330.html[Edited 2009-01-21 07:08:10]
29 Zeke : And the first Trent 700EPs into service on those aircraft.
30 Post contains links PM : From ATWonline 22 Jan 09... http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=1%2F22%2F2009 "ILFC announced the following lease agreements: ... two u
31 Zeke : KA were to return 2xA333s to ILFC his year, but April seems a little early.
32 SeaBosDca : Given the high number of airports that offer performance challenges (high altitude, short runways) in the Latin America network, the A340 probably do
33 Post contains links Ka : According to the press releases on www.ilfc.com (which is pretty accurate IMO) the A333 for Vladivostok Air is MSN070. That is EI´s EI-CRK. Unfortun
34 PM : Good work, Ka!
35 AustrianZRH : That could be possible! Aren't the first A330-300 for LH/LX due to arrive this year?
36 IVO : First Swiss aircraft are c/n 1000, 1018 and 1025. HB-JHA, JHB, JHC. delivery in second & third quather 2009 Ivo
37 Ka : no, 3rd is MSN1026, 4th 1029, then 1084, 1093, 1101, ... KA.
38 Kaitak : Yes, hands off No. 1025 - that's for Aer Lingus! MSN 979, EC-KYC, was delivered today, to Air Comet. Apparently, China Eastern is looking to cancel s
39 Ivo : Sorry guys, I misread my list, its c/n 1026. HB-JHC Ivo
40 WINGS : Neither China Eastern or CASGC have any A332/333 on order. The news article/ rumour is factually wrong. The only Chinese airlines (mainland) that hav
41 Kaitak : Are you sure they are PW powered A330-200s? EI has an A330-200, EI-EWR, which it is due to return after lease in March; could this not be one of them
42 Post contains links Ivo : Kaitak, look at this link from ILFC: http://207.45.187.42/%7Eilfc01/viewArticle.php?id=205 Ivo
43 BoeingVista : If Airbus are to pitch for the Air Force One replacement part of the RFP calls for in flight refuling so they will have to develop the capability. Ca
44 PM : If (when) the Thai A333s are deferred, will these msns become 'not built' like 18 before them or will the slots go to another customer (like the XL pl
45 Aerialix : Some info on Finnair's upcoming A333s, sorry if this has been posted earlier. The first aircraft to arrive will be OH-LTM (aka. TwinMotor) in March, f
46 Dennys : Thanks and very good news about the VIP Ukrainian A345 !!! I did not know it ! regards dennys ( A340s Lover For Ever !)
47 TKfan : I would assume Turkish Airlines is looking desperately for L/H Aircraft, some more A330 would be handy though. I hope they are going to order some A3
48 Post contains links Scipio : How do you mean, good news? If confirmed, this is a scandal. Ukraine is a cash-starved country in the midst of a very severe recession and with plent
49 Post contains links Kappel : Flightglobal reported that (at least the initial) a330's can't be deferred, as they are already being built. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-
50 Ka : German aviation magazine AeroInternational reports in its Feb issue that both A332 for AtlasJet are coming from Eurofly. KA.
51 R2rho : I heard somewhere that one of the ex-IT A345's could be going to Tunisair. Although this would be a bizarre move as they do not operate the type. On t
52 LXA340 : When will the first A333 for LX (HB-JHA) make it's first test flight, the aircraft is scheduled to be delivered in march some time?
53 Andaman : So AY will receive five A333's this year and remaining three in 2010, plus two options? The first AY A333 route will be HEL-JFK in April it seems, fo
54 Post contains links R2rho : IB's 2009-2011 Master Plan, presented to investors friday, shows 2 A330s in the 2011 fleet. Is this the confirmation of their long-awaited A330 order?
55 LXA340 : One of them could be an ex Israir A332's which belongs to Eurofly and it seems that Israir is getting rid of it?
56 Aerialix : In the present economic climate I wouldn't expect the options to be taken up any time soon. First destinations will be KTT and OUL for pilot familiar
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