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DL 744 To LAX?  
User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

I have just landed at NRT and saw the DL744 taking off. It does not look like it is going to Atlanta, but it shows NW taking off already for LAX and DTW. where do they fly the DL jumbo to these days?


747SP
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User currently offlineJKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7186 times:

She is flying the typical NWA routes still.

She can be seen in LAX, DTW, MSP, NRT, HKG......not sure where else she has been spotted


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7122 times:

She can't fly to ATL till they have the crews fully integrated and set up a 744 base at ATL I believe.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6949 times:



Quoting JKJ777 (Reply 1):
She can be seen in LAX, DTW, MSP, NRT, HKG......not sure where else she has been spotted

US mainland:

DTW, MSP, LAX

Asia/Pacific:
NRT, KIX, NGO, TPE, MNL, PVG, HKG, HNL

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
She can't fly to ATL till they have the crews fully integrated and set up a 744 base at ATL I believe.

Not a 744 base, just a satellite FA base. All 744 cockpit crews are based in DTW and will be routed via NRT.



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User currently offlinePnh2atl From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

DL/NW won't have a single operating certificate (SOC) for another 12 months or so. They cannot integrate the crews until then. DL starts 744 service to NRT in June I believe. It will be NW crews flying the trips. Their rotations might be DTW-NRT-ATL-NRT-DTW. I think they will set up a TDY base for the FAs, but the NW equipment will have to be crewed with NW folks until the SOC.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6834 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
She can't fly to ATL till they have the crews fully integrated and set up a 744 base at ATL I believe.

It could fly to ATL tomorrow if DL wanted it to, without crew integration or a 744 pilot base in ATL.

It flies to many places now that do not have a crew base doesn't it?


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6749 times:



Quoting Pnh2atl (Reply 4):
It will be NW crews flying the trips.

And for at least the subsequent 5 years after the SOC as well due to the 747-400 crew fences put in place by the Bloch Award, meaning that not one DL pilot can touch the 744 as long as the fences are in place.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 5):
It flies to many places now that do not have a crew base doesn't it?

You are incorrect.

DTW has an FA base. MSP has an FA base. LAX has an FA base. HNL has an FA base.

All mainland US to Japan flights are 100% US-based FA's. The Japanese crew members on board are strictly interpreters, no FA duties.

So, ATL does, in fact, require a satellite FA base.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6633 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
You are incorrect.

DTW has an FA base. MSP has an FA base. LAX has an FA base. HNL has an FA base.

All mainland US to Japan flights are 100% US-based FA's. The Japanese crew members on board are strictly interpreters, no FA duties.

So, ATL does, in fact, require a satellite FA base.

First of all, the discussion was about pilots not F/A bases. Secondly if you want to talk F/A, LAX does not have a F/A base yet NW has been flying 747's for years out of there. NW also flies many flights out of NRT without F/A based there don't they. As you stated the Japanese crew members are not F/A's. As has been stated many times you don't need a crew base in a city to operate flights out of there. If that were true then an airlines would have to have a base at every city they flew to.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6599 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
Secondly if you want to talk F/A, LAX does not have a F/A base yet

Wrong again.

I flew NRT-HKG-NRT a few months ago and the US crew was LAX based, operating NW1 LAX-NRT on the way over and then NW2 NRT-LAX on the return.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
As you stated the Japanese crew members are not F/A's.

Wrong again.

The Japanese crew on the US-Japan flights are not F/A's, just interpreters. The Japanese crew on the intra-Asia flights are FA's and perform all associated duties.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
NW also flies many flights out of NRT without F/A based there don't they

Wrong again.

NW has FA bases in NRT, KIX, BKK, PVG, SIN, and some others.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6566 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
Secondly if you want to talk F/A, LAX does not have a F/A base yet NW has been flying 747's for years out of there.

As said above, we've had a FA base in LAX for years. I thought someone with your company involvement would surely know that.



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Bob,

There is a LAX FA base. Check your facts before posting Wink


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6449 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
NW has FA bases in NRT, KIX, BKK, PVG, SIN, and some others.

But tthe flight attendants based there do not staff the flights to the US do they?

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 10):
There is a LAX FA base. Check your facts before posting

I had a brain fart. But the origonal discussion was about pilot crew members not F/A crew members. But as far as F/A's go, you don't need a base to operate flights do you.


User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6267 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
But tthe flight attendants based there do not staff the flights to the US do they?

This is correct. The Asian F/A's fly only intra-Asian flights. These flights are staffed by two U.S. based F/A's and the remainder are Asian F/A's.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6250 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
She can't fly to ATL till they have the crews fully integrated and set up a 744 base at ATL I believe.

The ATL-HNL 744 for Apr02 has finally been loaded into Delta.com///Flights 803/802.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6164 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
But as far as F/A's go, you don't need a base to operate flights do you.

No, but there will be a base anyway, at both ATL and SLC for their respective NRT flights.

Quoting MCOAviationFan (Reply 12):
These flights are staffed by two U.S. based F/A's

The purser and the "chaser" as they are called.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6107 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
And for at least the subsequent 5 years after the SOC as well due to the 747-400 crew fences put in place by the Bloch Award, meaning that not one DL pilot can touch the 744 as long as the fences are in place.

But DL can open a 744 base in Atlanta right? Just has to be made up on the NW Pilots?(if they wanted to)



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6090 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 14):
No, but there will be a base anyway, at both ATL and SLC for their respective NRT flights.

PDX doesn't have a base, though, right?



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Forget the F/A's base thing. Does the DL have to have a base for its pilots only for the B744's in ATL? Or can they fly in to ATL from DTW, MSP to do the flights from thier???

Chuck


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

The DL 744 was at LAX today.

The777Man



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5039 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 17):
Forget the F/A's base thing. Does the DL have to have a base for its pilots only for the B744's in ATL? Or can they fly in to ATL from DTW, MSP to do the flights from thier???

No they do not. In threoy a pilot can fly DTW-NRT-ATL-NRT-DTW. This is how its done now.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4148 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
But DL can open a 744 base in Atlanta right? Just has to be made up on the NW Pilots?(if they wanted to)

Yes, that is correct. They could open a 744 base wherever, it just has to be all ex-NW crews.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
PDX doesn't have a base, though, right?

Oddly enough, they do not. There was talk of having one opened, it seemed, given the number of flights out of there. PDX-NRT, PDX-AMS, PDX-HNL, in addition to the hub routes. That might still come to be under DL, given how they seem to want to keep all three of those 'major' routes.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
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Does DL plan on keeping the 744's long term or do they plan to phase them out? i was once told by someone at DL headquarters that DL fleet-planners and senior management had decided many years ago that they would NOT ever use 744's after the try they made decades ago.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3740 times:



Quoting VC10er (Reply 21):

Does DL plan on keeping the 744's long term or do they plan to phase them out? i was once told by someone at DL headquarters that DL fleet-planners and senior management had decided many years ago that they would NOT ever use 744's after the try they made decades ago.

i hope your not talking about the "try" with the 747-132s. They pretty much ran to the west coast from ATL and a few other routes. The only Inernational routes they ever saw was the LHR and ORY turns which (IIRC) where with PA crews. DL wouldn't(at least I would hope they wouldn't) use this info. The 744 will be used almost nothing like the 741s where.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3457 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 22):
i hope your not talking about the "try" with the 747-132s.

Admittedly, i didnt ask about how those old 747 132's were used nor why they stopped. I just recall my Delta corp client saying they made a strategic decision not to ever use 747's again and that they were thrilled with their L1011's.

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3356 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 19):
No they do not. In threoy a pilot can fly DTW-NRT-ATL-NRT-DTW. This is how its done now.

No they are they not are doing that now. Where did you get that idea?


25 Transpac787 : Yes, that is exactly how 744 crews are rotated. Here are a few lines, selected at random, taken off the January schedule awards: DTW-KIX-TPE-KIX-TPE-
26 Bobnwa : The 744 crews are not NOW being rotated to ATL as Delta1011man stated. If so, when did that start. Since DL/NW does not have 744 service out of ATL,
27 Burnsie28 : Incorrect, they don't need any base to fly it there. LAX has had a base for atleast nearly 20 years. Correct, but it would be a waste of money, just
28 DeltaL1011man : yea they wont use the info from the 741s on the 744. And the loved the 1011 because it was the best plane ever made The only reason I didn't show any
29 Bobnwa : Is that not saying that is how it is done now?
30 Transpac787 : Weren't all the points you answered to already answered in previous posts?? Reply 2, 5, 6 Reply 8, 9, 10 Reply 20 And it wouldn't necessarily be a wa
31 Transpac787 : He quite obviously meant in general. That is how the crews are NOW rotated to the non-base destinations. DTW-NRT-MSP-NRT-DTW. Would that wording have
32 Bobnwa : If you say so. If you are talking about what could be the routing's of the 744, then it has already been stated on here about a hundred times previou
33 Transpac787 : By me, who is the one who posts all the NW 744 schedules and trip rotations. Thanks for the reminder of my own handiwork though No, but there will be
34 DeltaL1011man : So they will end up with what? DTW-NRT-HNL-NRT-DTW (11 day?) MSP-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW(11 day?) DTW-NRT-ATL-NRT-DTW (11 or 13 day?) Also any idea on how th
35 Transpac787 : If they did a single turn like that, those trips are typical built as 6-days. Let's assume you have a trip that leaves on the 10th: 10FEB: DTW-NRT 11
36 Centrair : HNL is an NW base I believe. I think these will still be NW people. Maybe by then, they will have a crew set up at ATL for the return or even NRT. Bu
37 Transpac787 : Yes. Until SOC is obtained, there can be no cross-bidding. ATL-HNL will be 100% NW pilots and FA's if flown by a NW 744. No need. Normal crew rotatio
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