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Here We Go Again: New AZ's First Strike  
User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

Haven't seen it mentionned yet, so according to media sources, there will be a 4 hour long industrial action tomorrow by the SDL union.
Reason is "to be against the new corporation's methods".
The SDL threatened that it will be followed soon by a yet to be dated 24 hour strike.

So much for a fresh start.

http://www.corriere.it/economia/09_g...-e58e-11dd-9276-00144f02aabc.shtml

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User currently offlineRoyalAirMaroc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Wow, didn't think the Italians where as fussy as the French  duck 


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

I'm actually surprised it took them so long Big grin These people will NEVER learn, will they? Unless their company goes bust and they're all beig laid off, what probably should have happened in the first place.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7909 times:
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I am sure that the new 25% shareholders are shaking their head in disbelief - but really they shouldn't , after all it was the French who gave the world the phrase "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose " ( the more things change , the more they stay the same )  banghead  the LH decision not to bid is looking smarter by the minute


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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7855 times:



Quoting NCB (Thread starter):
New AZ's First Strike  

Why am I not suprised?

Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 1):
Wow, didn't think the Italians where as fussy as the French

 Wow!

Atlanta



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User currently offlineAclco From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

As italian, I think that the main AZ 'problem was and still is the total unwillingness to work of an highly politicized and totally-union-protected work-"force"..
Maybe an hard "shake" would have changed something.. but someone decided that we (tax payers) should "save" it.
LH probably made the right decision, we'll see what AF will do.

At this time I only hope that MXP and the others northen italian airports (BGY BLQ VCE..) will be extesively covered by others carriers like LH Italia is starting to do. The service will be better for sure.

It's a mentality problem.
Sad.


User currently onlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

I only can say it's every body's own fault if someone books and tries to fly AZ. I never ever in my life would do that. This is really the last airline in the world I would fly.

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2241 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
the LH decision not to bid is looking smarter by the minute

 checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Aclco (Reply 5):
LH probably made the right decision, we'll see what AF will do.


Buy the pieces for a fraction after they liquidate.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineAclco From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7626 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7):
Buy the pieces for a fraction after they liquidate.

Of course!
But in the event that, after the lock-up period new AZ is still there and AF will buy it, they cannot anyway fire the staff in whole and substitute it with new "loyal" workers or make a french magic?!? Big grin

Any ideas?!


User currently offlinePutnik From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Fire them all and make them beg for work. Oh, I think I'm too kind. Fire them all and refuse them even the right for begging for a job... or make them grow mushrooms.


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

On another thread that is still around, I made a comment on how ridiculous the whole AZ thing and the whole Italian mentality was. I worded my comments very carefully not to be insulting (I am Italian BTW), but my thread was quickly removed. All I have to say is that some people are sensitive and won't see what the problem is in Italy. Therefore, I am not commenting in words - instead I am laughing all the way to the bank.

Ha! Ha!


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7185 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
the LH decision not to bid is looking smarter by the minute



Quoting Aclco (Reply 5):
LH probably made the right decision

I don't agree with this.
This is a very simplistic argument and the situation need better and longer term view :

AF made a VERY good deal in acquiring Alitalia for only € 300.000. It will be much easier for AF than for LH to have an access to the huge Italian market. LH is setting up its subsidiary LH Italia to do the job. That will cost them much more than € 300.000 and it will take time (and money) to reach a critical size and play an important role.
AF has already all the cards in the hand to play the game.

By the way, and a little bit off topic, AF released in an internal newspaper that by 2013, the Alitalia fleet will consist in :

16 A330
10 B777

116 A320 family aircraft (A319/320/321)

16 Regional jets (10 CRJ-900 + 6 ERJ 170).


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4387 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7171 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7):
Buy the pieces for a fraction after they liquidate.

I think better build up carefully from scratch - than you know what you have.

LH doesn't need to build up a critical size in Northern Italia, they are the major player already.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7147 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
AF made a VERY good deal in acquiring Alitalia for only € 300.000.

where did you get that figure from ? all the reports I have seen indicate a figure in the region of €300 000 000 so I think you are out by a factor of about a thousand , in any case regardless of the amount paid , it is only a good deal if AF/KL can turn AZ around , the fact that the 5 year no strike agreement seems to have been abandoned within a matter of days suggests that transforming the wreckage of the old AZ into a functioning airline will be no easy matter . I guess in a couple of years we will know who had the better strategy for the Italian market but personally my money would be on LH



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User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Poor people @ Air One for getting sucked into this... That's the only thing I can think of now. I never heard how the people at Air One felt about this "marriage" but I can imagine not everybody feeling happy about this. If the Unions start like this, they will just drag everybody down and in a few years we'll be back where we are now... exept the'll liquidate

FVTu134



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6943 times:



Quoting FVTu134 (Reply 14):
Poor people @ Air One for getting sucked into this... That's the only thing I can think of now.

Exactly my thoughts too! I was also wondering about those poor lads at Air One. To me they where the only real option whenever I had to make flights within Italy. Efficient, good service, nice staff with a touch of StarAlliance miles  Smile
...now their reputation will be dismantled by being dragged into this mess.  Sad



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User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Now I understand, that was the reason why LH did not bid, good move of them.
And indeed, poor AP workers.

22 flights were cancelled out of FCO.

SDL confirms that there will be a 24 hour strike soon.


User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

What's the possibility of AF-KLM moving staff to Italy to counter the strikes?

These people are so backwards in their mindsets, AZ should have been liquidated so they could rid themselves of all the dead wood. They obvisouly have their heads buried so deep in sand that they can't see what's happening to the global economy.

Are European nations able to use strike breakers?


User currently offlineNewAlitalia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

I don't know this Union. Never heard of them.

Anyway the Italian Government announced that soon a new law will be introduced to regulate/block strikes on public transportations.

My cousin just landed without any problem to MXP.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

What happened to all the supporters of the New Alitalia that were absolutely positive this would never happen again. This was only about a week ago. Alitalia needs to totally liquidate and fire all workers, then start up again with zero unions.

User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6465 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 19):
Alitalia needs to totally liquidate and fire all workers, then start up again with zero unions.

It's a bit late to do that now, I think, since they have just started again. However, if the unions bring the new company to its knees some years from now, that would be the course of action I would expect.


User currently offlineNewAlitalia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

bobnwa, just read my above comment.

The AZ workers that were on strike a few weeks ago without respecting the law, risk now up to 50000 euro fines. Same for the Unions.

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Economia/?id=3.0.2701217294

[Edited 2009-01-19 05:40:32]

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6392 times:



Quoting NewAlitalia (Reply 21):
bobnwa, just read my above comment.

The AZ workers that were on strike a few weeks ago without respecting the law, risk now up to 50000 euro fines. Same for the Unions.

How much do you want to wager, that those possible fines never happen?


User currently offlineNewAlitalia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5214 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 22):
How much do you want to wager, that those possible fines never happen?

The law is law even for the Alitalia workers that too often have abused about their position showing a total lack of respect towards all the citizens and the other workers who can not do similar strikes otherwise they are fired. Now that Alitalia is a private body i don't see Mr Colaninno to accept this kind of attitude. I have never heard about this Union (SDL) but i think that those workers will be soon on the Mr Colaninno's black list and the next time they get fired.

Anyway, Minister Sacconi announced that soon it will be introduced a new law to make this strikes forbidden because those lazy workers (a totally minority) create a damage to the entire nation.

It is a news anyway of 4 days ago that the Committee of Guarantee has summoned the representative of a trade union for next Thursday about the last november's strike. He risks a fine up to 25000 euro. And together with him all the participants of the strike.

The Guarantee Committee's position is clear: punish and fine individually all the participants of the workers that took part at the strike and not only the Union that called the strike.

http://www.libero-news.it/articles/view/471510


User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4765 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 10):
how ridiculous the whole AZ thing and the whole Italian mentality was.

Alitalia workers' mentality, not Italian mentality.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
the fact that the 5 year no strike agreement seems to have been abandoned within a matter of days

I've never heard about that agreement. It doesn't exist.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 19):
then start up again with zero unions.

Article 39 of the Italian Constitution: "the organization of trade unions is free."
Article 40: "the right to strike is exercised according to the law."


25 Post contains links Sflaflight : No, Italian mentality. It's not just AZ employees who strike. It's truck drivers, the post office, etc.. Truckers striked because if the price of fue
26 Janmnastami : Public workers' mentality . There are millions of workers of the private sector who don't strike. Maybe you remember the "Marcia dei 40.000" in Turin
27 FlySSC : of course it is € 300 Millions ... not 300 000 !
28 NewAlitalia : Yeah right. No comment needed. A G7 nation now comes to learn from you. I don't know how many hours per week you are in use to work, but i suggest yo
29 Post contains links Viscount724 : Better if it's not AF. http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSB17855720090115
30 BBADXB : I said it earlier in another thread and I say it again here. History repeats itself. AZ cancelled flights left, right, and centre because of strikes a
31 Ktachiya : Does AZ have loyal customers? I have no idea about the market in Italy, but from the info that I am reading on these forums, who would ever use AZ for
32 Airbazar : I think you're wrong on 2 counts. First, you have the numbers wrong by a huge margin. Try multiplying it by 1000. Second, LH already has access and c
33 Banjo76 : I don' like AZ, the way it has been mismanaged in the past, the way it has been handed over to this new group of investors. Enough said, why are you a
34 Max777geek : Why would they ? to bring efficiency to the national market ? they could if they would, but the offer will be varied from what they wanted : mxp. LH
35 Bobnwa : Still have not seen any announcement about the striking workers being fined or fired. Are they just going to be allowed to do it, like always? If so,
36 EZEIZA : Finally something that makes sense. Not only in Italy correct.
37 FlySSC : HE IS FROM CORSICA !!! not Italian ! Oh really ? how come ? Their Italian partner was Air One and Air One no longer exists as they are now merged int
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