COboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 38829 times:
ok, Im not sure if this has been mentioned in any of the numerous threads, but
regarding the media and how they always screw things up when it comes to
aviation...has anyone in the NY area noticed the graphics for this incident for
the local NY FOX station? They have the title "miracle on the Hudson" with
graphic of a 747 submerged in water! You can clearly see the hump.
HAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1163 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 38157 times:
Quoting COboeing777 (Reply 3): the media and how they always screw things up when it comes to
exactly! and for the so called "aviation expert" that CNN hired, he was saying that "it appears to be an embraer jet fuselage!!!!!!!!!!" i was like "say what!!!!" i am no aviation expert, and i could tell its an airbus 320 family!!!
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 38132 times:
After seeing the video on You Tube, I must say it seems like the pilot knew just how to land on water. I am not sure if it has been posted in any of the other threads, but here is the video on You Tube showing the actual touch down in several angles.
I have been wondering about something. Why are there just one picture of this accident in the Airliners.net database? Usually there are allot of pictures from these kind of events. Is it because the pictures are so valuable to news agencies, that it will take some time until we have them on airliners?
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
Banjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 37956 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 11): After seeing the video on You Tube, I must say it seems like the pilot knew just how to land on water. I am not sure if it has been posted in any of the other threads, but here is the video on You Tube showing the actual touch down in several angles.
kudos to the pilot... looks like he's been water landing for all his career, Very smooth touchdown, not such a sharp angle
The speed looks quite perfect either. I wonder if the remaining power gave the pilot a good control over hydraulics.
Just a big thank you to the crew. What a fantastic job!!
MadameConcorde From Monaco, joined Feb 2007, 11332 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 37353 times:
This is the latest I have seen. I am not sure how much we can trust the main stream media but here is the link to the article.
NTSB: Airliner's engines lost power at same time
NEW YORK – A jetliner that crash-landed in the Hudson River had lost power simultaneously in both engines after reaching an altitude of only 3,200 feet, the plane's black box recorders revealed Sunday.
The details that emerged confirmed the harrowing circumstances under which the pilot of the US Airways flight carrying 155 people maneuvered the plane over New York City and safely into the water after striking a flock of birds Thursday afternoon.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17652 posts, RR: 65
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 36280 times:
Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 7): Looks like they are trying to take the livery off or cover it, they do that to protect the identity of the airline involved so its 100% definatly a write off.
Typically they will do that with a "bad" crash. Since this was a "good" crash I guess not. Besides with the plane being in the water pouring a few cans of white paint down the sides would not have been much appreciated by the environmental protection agency.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
Stealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 36234 times:
I'm just curious, but how come we haven't heard anything of the co-pilot? I know the capt. was the one with his hand on the sidestick, but wasn't the co-pilot doing something throughout this emergency? While I give credit to the capt for the job done, how come the co-pilot doesn't get the same press? I wish the media would remember that there was two people up their on the flight deck and they both did an awesome job bringing that plane down.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13856 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 36113 times:
The scheduled interview of the Pilot that was to be on this mornings NBC network program TODAY show, has been cancelled until at least later this week. Apparently the Pilot's union asked for the delay due to the continuing investigation.
The pilot, co-pilot, F/A's and some of their family members have been invited to the inaguration of Obama tomorrow (guess they will get some good seats for it).
The aircraft itself has been moved to near a dock in Jersey City to continue the investigation.
Max777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 36089 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 217):
Folks, my evidently-eccentric humour seems to have been lost to some.
Im sorry Im italian and many times I get stuck in traslation.
Quoting KBUF (Reply 4): Well well well, look who's going to attend the inauguration of Obama:
Id like to know how did he get there, hope a train was used. Hats really off now if he had the balls to take another plane so soon.
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 212):
By the way, did anybody notice the plane lost its APU cone on impact? I first thought it was "rescue damage", but on one of the pics immediately after the landing you can see it's already missing. Which makes sense since it was probably the first part of the plane to touch the river.
Yes I did notice too. Guess there isn't an emergency exit "md80" likewise, (AFAIK, it's a dead end with service galley, refreshment trolleys and a WC). If it dropped immediately, assuming is designed to do so, that is probably why it began to sunk. Would be useful to know if the dropping cone would ineffective the water insulation when ditching or its design allow dropping the cone without loosing floating capabilities.
Max777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 35427 times:
Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 18): I'm just curious, but how come we haven't heard anything of the co-pilot? I know the capt. was the one with his hand on the sidestick, but wasn't the co-pilot doing something throughout this emergency? While I give credit to the capt for the job done, how come the co-pilot doesn't get the same press? I wish the media would remember that there was two people up their on the flight deck and they both did an awesome job bringing that plane down.
That always happens, even if the FO was at the command at the crash time. Usually the first statement by the capt, as spokeman, is to thank all the crew for the job. I guess you may remind the BA crashlanded in London, do you ?
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9450 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 34978 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 22): From your photos it appears as though the tail cone is still attached, just badly crushed.
I'd say it came from the boats trying to control it as it floated down the river. If you look the fuselage is pretty beat up from them pushing it. If you look at Moose's pics the R1 door is knocked off its hinge and has punctures.. I'm sure the boats did that. Also the missing LH OBD Slat...
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 9): The only thing that's covered are the cockpit windows on the right side, and I'm not sure why that's the case.
Hmmmm... maybe because it's snowing...?
[Edited 2009-01-19 06:02:52]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
: This pic seems to suggest it's gone though: And in the next pic I'm quite sure it's gone too: That could have been landing impact forces as well thou
: Why would he need balls to take a flight? Tbh, I doubt he'd think twice about boarding an aircraft.
: Your pic doesn't show the item hanging off the tail that clearly appears in the pics in reply 5
: Methinks you are correct. I have yet to meet a professional pilot who is even a little afraid of flying.
: I almost think it was attached later, as it extends as far upwards as the horizontal stabilizers, whereas on the other pics (at least the one on the
: I live at 22 River Terrace, the apartment block directly over looking the entire NTSB operation. As an airliner.net user, I filmed took footages for t
31 D L X
: IT's hard to say. Those birds look very large to be pigeons to me, and I've never seen a pigeon with feathers that clean. But if they were, that's on
: US Air Shuttle of course. Some big ice chunks banging into the aircraft.
: I heard on the radio and read on search engines that Captain Sullenberger will be interviewed this morning by Matt Lauer on the "Today" show.
: Not a surprise. Pretty clear that the flock of Geese was so big they were ingested by both engines and were all over the nose of the aircraft. Cancel
: Ooooook, So Obama has invited the entire crew on board AirForce One whenever they can. Damn!!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28730605/
: As mentioned, you're looking at snow obscuring the titles. It is illegal for anybody to tamper with an aircraft following a crash. Removing or coveri
: This is conjecture, of course.... but I am wondering if the APU fairing was still partially attached below the waterline? When the plane was placed o
: What is the max glide/range spped for athe plane involved, I assume the pilot was aiming for that since in the USA today said he lowered the nose to l
: A320 glide ratio is 17:1, assuming ideal conditions, but may easily be much less in terms of range. Not sure what the 1549 green dot speed was since
: You can see the clumps sticking to the nose in Moose's last picture. You gain speed if you lower the nose. Had the pilot kept the nose up at the same
: No wonders he's gonna hire them once he's done with the moving in the new apartment
: For a one-time joyride or as a permanent hedge in case of ditching?
: Conspiracy theorists and litigators rejoice: CNN just ran a quick piece that is attempting to link the same aircraft's compressor stalls earlier last
: Meanwhile, in the quest to wring as many miles out of this story as possible, some well-known orators have stooped to new levels of cheese: http://pra
: Probably a bit less with the high lift system at least partially deployed and windmilling engines. More likely about 10:1 to 12:1. With an altitude o
: Compressor stalls although rare, can happen and do not always rate a RTB. You basicly look for a shift in your engine ITT. If you see none and no oth
: Has it been confirmed that geese were responsible? Several news reports mention the captain referring to the birds in the large flock they flew throu
: I'd say Sea Gulls most likely. I'm not sure Canada Geese are moving this time of the year..
: Yes, I'm aware of what a compressor stall entails, but am merely fingering CNN's attempt to genetically link apples and oranges, or, in this case, co
50 David L
: Anyone else putting their money on the US employee meaning it was the same type... if the story's true, as you say?
: Sea gulls at 3000 feet? I'm not sure they fly that high, nor am I sure they "flock", which will disappoint fans of the infamous 80s band that holds a
: Sorry , don't know if this has been said yet because i havent had time to read... I read an email today from US Airways stating that the Airbus "weigh
: OK, so this captain guy is a MENSA member, ex-fighter jock, hero captain, family man, safety expert and demonstrated accomplished flyer, but apparent
: The crew issued a press release just a while back that they will be conducting no interviews for a while... Flock of Sea Gulls..LoL.. classic. I was
: I can't believe I'm posting this, but what colour would you call the majority of this bird? To be fair - give yourself the same conditions the pilots
: " target=_blank>www.kontain.com/david Absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing. I'll buy you a drink next time your on my island (Oahu) or I'm on yours
: Some seem to be more gray than brown. As you say, hard to be too specific at that speed.
: I doubt it, Sea Gulls don't fly in formations and from what I have seen only fly with a huge group when a food source is found. Even then they are cl
59 David L
: Yes, I managed to mess up thanking Winglet for that in my previous post. I wouldn't go as far as that. I think I'd call it brown. I certainly wouldn'
: Come to Puget Sound. I've seen our local herring gulls flying in a V as regular as any goose formation when they are transiting between two distant p
: I never said anything about straight lines. I live on an enormous lake - I see 'em every day in season. I see them, in large swirling, orbiting group
: Thank you for sharing those incredibe photos, best I've seen anywhere so far.
: I have most definitely encountered gulls around 3000ft agl, although I'm sure it's rare. With all the water around LaGuardia Airport I wouldn't take
: For a a complete slideshow of the entire incident (67 photos and still being updated- including descent, landing, evacuation, rescues, press conferenc
: The CNN article in question, http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html, goes into more specific detail. They apparently have some
: Gulls are a lot smaller than geese, however ... with an engine designed for a 4-5 lb birdstrike, a single goose is all it takes ... they can weigh 10
: Indeed, N106US flew US1549 on the 12th and 13th of January before the events on the 15th. http://www.antonakis.co.uk/acars.php?page=request Thenoflyz
: That Airbus should really be exhibited somewhere on the bank of the Hudason. Hope they make a little museum to this story. I'd also like to see Sullen
: I agree some of this is over the top, ....but... You seemingly incessant quest to discredit the pilot of any 'heroics' may perhaps hint at something
: Mirrodie, you are exceptionally lacking in the "irony" department.
: Actually...sarcasm, the easiest form of humor to misinterpet. He was being funny; I got it right away.
: Is anyone in knowledge of the fact N106US did fly without problems on 14th Jan 2009 ? I don't see how a mechanical problem (if even proven) could hav
: I'm not discounting the fact that the same aircraft flew the same route and had a compressor stall, but rather criticizing CNN's rush to link the Tue
74 David L
: Oh, bugger. More money down the drain. Pretty obvious, I thought. I'd better leave it at that.
: how could this happens with all the testimonials ? this is much more possible.
: Ok, the plane has been towed away for "further investigation." My question is this: The pilots have confirmed it was a birdstrike. The FDR (to my know
: Well, it was an aviation accident that COULD have (but thankfully didn't) cost the lives of over 150 people. Even without Government bureaucracy, tha
78 David L
: I'm not sure "confirmed" is the right word. The pilots have reported a bird-strike. The FDR shows data consistent with a bird-strike... or perhaps ot
: The NTSB only about safety. The will look into every aspect of this event you can think of. Passenger egress and safety during this event...crew trai
: Furthermore: They will also investigate the response and training of everything from the passenger ferries to the fire department and coast guard....
: On MSNBC's Countdown program this evening they reported that the passenger who was seen in many of the post ditching interviews explaining that he was
: I found this on the internet and found it quite amusing. My apologies if its already been posted.I had a look through the 1000+ posts to check but cou
: Maybe they like sleeping in their own bed at night. Being senior they bid the lines they want. One of the most senior crewed aircraft at Northwest is
: Yeah Spirit Airlines made the worst persons list.
: Sure...like should there be a policy/alternate procedure for relighting below X000 feet?(However, that issue came up in the Pinnacle CRJ investigatio
: Sir, I have an issue with the hype that started before the impact splash had subsided. Claims of 'hero' and 'miracle' were trumpeted so often it actu
: One other thought I had: because the national media coverage was so New York City-centric (because most of the national reporters were based there and
: I think he´s hilarious I also got the million pound flying A320 joke in thread 5.
: Fine, NTSB is still investigating to exclude it was a birds riot and the airplane had a 2 engines compressor stall on his own casually passing by.
: Sure its pure protocol that the investigation is being carried out, I agree. But I think the investigators are mostly eager to learn how everything w
: Actually, that is plenty of reason for me to stay at home to be honest. If I was an uninformed passenger or media member and I wanted some attention,
: Sounds like a good rule. It's easier to respond fast if you're in a boat close to the ditching than if you have to get orders through dispatch, then
: Passengers on Downed U.S. Airways Flight Get $5,000 Each By Tammy Terry Anchor Associated Press U.S Airways has sent $5,000 checks to each of the 150
: I think this is a good move by US Airways. I also think they should also send them all a letter thanking them for their kind words and support. So man
: Sarcasm and wit is less clear when written. And open to interpretion. Really. Before gravity had a chance to settle the water droplets? A bit exagger
: Absolutely. I don't think the investigative criteria needs to begin with a mystery or a body bag - the fact that this aircraft "went down" in flight
: As it is when being spoken. I have an idea. If in doubt: ask. Show me one example of discrediting anybody please. And make sure not to exclude the ma
: I read this article today and thought it was a classy move. I was wondering if it was something that was routinely done, and this is just US Airways
: I'll try to hit return more often. I assume that you don't want me to break these nuanced ideas into the sound bytes that you hate on the TV that you
: How about one engine got hammered by a birdstrike, and the other stalled out due to severely deteriorated compressor condition after the automatic up
: the NTSB's press conference after the DFDR data was initially read stated that both engines immediately lost post upon contact w/the suspected flock
: It's hardly "pure protocol". Have some of you guys actually read any NTSB reports? They are highly technical. The NTSB will go into the exact sequenc
: A MESSAGE FROM CAPTAIN SULLY SULLENBERGER The following is a personal message from Flight 1549 Captain, Sully Sullenberger. I have been asked to relay
: No morphing. Straightforward reading of your comments lead to comment. Had hte strike taken place just 100 feet above ground, on this way over Rikers
: Haha. It is indeed true I don't watch the news on TV. But by all means hit return more often.
: VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE!!! rhonda b (35 year F/A with DL, retired) USAPA Special Update, Flight 1549 January 18, 2009 CREW UPDATE: B Flight Attendant
: Okay, so this hokey USAPA press release totally proves my point raised earlier. Good luck to them. They'll need it.
: Okay, so this hokey USAPA press release totally proves my point raised earlier. Good luck to them. They'll need it. what's hokey about it? i find it v
: I can understand - you not being an aviator - your lack of a firm grasp on the sentiments involved. Those working within the industry recognize the f