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US Airways A320 Down In Hudson River, Part 6  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 89
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 36670 times:

Please continue the discussion from US Airways A320 Down In Hudson River, Part 5 and the previous threads in this new instalment. Thank you.

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207 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineJalapeno From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 36619 times:

So I don't have to look, what was the registration of the plane involved?

User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 36561 times:

Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 1):
So I don't have to look, what was the registration of the plane involved?


DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineCOboeing777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 36526 times:

ok, Im not sure if this has been mentioned in any of the numerous threads, but
regarding the media and how they always screw things up when it comes to
aviation...has anyone in the NY area noticed the graphics for this incident for
the local NY FOX station? They have the title "miracle on the Hudson" with
graphic of a 747 submerged in water! You can clearly see the hump.

User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 36188 times:

Well well well, look who's going to attend the inauguration of Obama:


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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 36149 times:

Was out this afternoon and got some shots after the plane was loaded on the barge:





My photos from the past four days are here:

KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 36053 times:

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 5):

Nice pics thanks for posting them

BWIA 772

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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 35974 times:

Looks like they are trying to take the livery off or cover it, they do that to protect the identity of the airline involved so its 100% definatly a write off.

User currently offlineTTailSteve From United States of America, joined May 2006, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 35919 times:

US has bad luck at LGA...this is the 3rd plane they have managed to get wet...remember 405 and 5050

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 35870 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 7):
Looks like they are trying to take the livery off or cover it, they do that to protect the identity of the airline involved so its 100% definatly a write off.

Where are you seeing that? All of the logos are still clearly visible. The only thing that's covered are the cockpit windows on the right side, and I'm not sure why that's the case.

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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 35854 times:

Quoting COboeing777 (Reply 3):
the media and how they always screw things up when it comes to

exactly! and for the so called "aviation expert" that CNN hired, he was saying that "it appears to be an embraer jet fuselage!!!!!!!!!!" i was like "say what!!!!" i am no aviation expert, and i could tell its an airbus 320 family!!!

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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 35829 times:

After seeing the video on You Tube, I must say it seems like the pilot knew just how to land on water. I am not sure if it has been posted in any of the other threads, but here is the video on You Tube showing the actual touch down in several angles.


I have been wondering about something. Why are there just one picture of this accident in the Airliners.net database? Usually there are allot of pictures from these kind of events. Is it because the pictures are so valuable to news agencies, that it will take some time until we have them on airliners?

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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 35685 times:

Quoting D L X, Reply 213, Part 5:

Birds and bird pieces in my friend's yard:


So it was pigeons!! Photos 1 and 5 show the head, feet and feathers are that of a pigeon.

Interesting irony for it to land on a barbecue.

And to think our Canada Geese were accused for causing the splash-landing!


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User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 35653 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 11):
After seeing the video on You Tube, I must say it seems like the pilot knew just how to land on water. I am not sure if it has been posted in any of the other threads, but here is the video on You Tube showing the actual touch down in several angles.

kudos to the pilot... looks like he's been water landing for all his career, Very smooth touchdown, not such a sharp angle
The speed looks quite perfect either. I wonder if the remaining power gave the pilot a good control over hydraulics.
Just a big thank you to the crew. What a fantastic job!!


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 35050 times:

This is the latest I have seen. I am not sure how much we can trust the main stream media but here is the link to the article.

NTSB: Airliner's engines lost power at same time

NEW YORK – A jetliner that crash-landed in the Hudson River had lost power simultaneously in both engines after reaching an altitude of only 3,200 feet, the plane's black box recorders revealed Sunday.

The details that emerged confirmed the harrowing circumstances under which the pilot of the US Airways flight carrying 155 people maneuvered the plane over New York City and safely into the water after striking a flock of birds Thursday afternoon.

more here:


From the picture the engine looks in really bad shape. The other engine is still down in the Hudson. I hope the divers will be able to get to it soon.

There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 34972 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 7):
Looks like they are trying to take the livery off or cover it, they do that to protect the identity of the airline involved so its 100% definatly a write off.

This is snow what you are seeing - it was snowing heavily when they lifted the plane on a barge, and the snow covered most of the top of fuselage.

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 34774 times:

Quoting KBUF (Reply 4):
Well well well, look who's going to attend the inauguration of Obama

Good for them. I am glad all five crew members are being invited. I think the media have focused on Sully, but all five deserve recognition.

The grass is greener where you water it
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 33977 times:

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 7):
Looks like they are trying to take the livery off or cover it, they do that to protect the identity of the airline involved so its 100% definatly a write off.

Typically they will do that with a "bad" crash. Since this was a "good" crash I guess not. Besides with the plane being in the water pouring a few cans of white paint down the sides would not have been much appreciated by the environmental protection agency.  Wink

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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 33931 times:

I'm just curious, but how come we haven't heard anything of the co-pilot? I know the capt. was the one with his hand on the sidestick, but wasn't the co-pilot doing something throughout this emergency? While I give credit to the capt for the job done, how come the co-pilot doesn't get the same press? I wish the media would remember that there was two people up their on the flight deck and they both did an awesome job bringing that plane down.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 33876 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 17):

Since they couldn't do anything against the birds and the pilot is a new hero, it very likely that US actually has nothing against the PR...

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 33810 times:

The scheduled interview of the Pilot that was to be on this mornings NBC network program TODAY show, has been cancelled until at least later this week. Apparently the Pilot's union asked for the delay due to the continuing investigation.
The pilot, co-pilot, F/A's and some of their family members have been invited to the inaguration of Obama tomorrow (guess they will get some good seats for it).
The aircraft itself has been moved to near a dock in Jersey City to continue the investigation.

User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 33786 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 217):

Folks, my evidently-eccentric humour seems to have been lost to some.

Im sorry Im italian and many times I get stuck in traslation.

Quoting KBUF (Reply 4):
Well well well, look who's going to attend the inauguration of Obama:

Id like to know how did he get there, hope a train was used. Hats really off now if he had the balls to take another plane so soon.

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 212):

By the way, did anybody notice the plane lost its APU cone on impact? I first thought it was "rescue damage", but on one of the pics immediately after the landing you can see it's already missing. Which makes sense since it was probably the first part of the plane to touch the river.

Yes I did notice too. Guess there isn't an emergency exit "md80" likewise, (AFAIK, it's a dead end with service galley, refreshment trolleys and a WC). If it dropped immediately, assuming is designed to do so, that is probably why it began to sunk. Would be useful to know if the dropping cone would ineffective the water insulation when ditching or its design allow dropping the cone without loosing floating capabilities.

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 33614 times:
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Quoting Moose135 (Reply 5):
Was out this afternoon and got some shots after the plane was loaded on the barge:

Moose - From your photos it appears as though the tail cone is still attached, just badly crushed. Was that your impression?

Thanks for the pix!


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User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 33124 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 18):
I'm just curious, but how come we haven't heard anything of the co-pilot? I know the capt. was the one with his hand on the sidestick, but wasn't the co-pilot doing something throughout this emergency? While I give credit to the capt for the job done, how come the co-pilot doesn't get the same press? I wish the media would remember that there was two people up their on the flight deck and they both did an awesome job bringing that plane down.

That always happens, even if the FO was at the command at the crash time. Usually the first statement by the capt, as spokeman, is to thank all the crew for the job. I guess you may remind the BA crashlanded in London, do you ?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 32675 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 22):
From your photos it appears as though the tail cone is still attached, just badly crushed.

I'd say it came from the boats trying to control it as it floated down the river. If you look the fuselage is pretty beat up from them pushing it. If you look at Moose's pics the R1 door is knocked off its hinge and has punctures.. I'm sure the boats did that. Also the missing LH OBD Slat...

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 9):
The only thing that's covered are the cockpit windows on the right side, and I'm not sure why that's the case.

Hmmmm... maybe because it's snowing...?

[Edited 2009-01-19 06:02:52]

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25 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : This pic seems to suggest it's gone though: And in the next pic I'm quite sure it's gone too: That could have been landing impact forces as well thou
26 RichM : Why would he need balls to take a flight? Tbh, I doubt he'd think twice about boarding an aircraft.
27 ZANL188 : Your pic doesn't show the item hanging off the tail that clearly appears in the pics in reply 5
28 Starlionblue : Methinks you are correct. I have yet to meet a professional pilot who is even a little afraid of flying.
29 BuyantUkhaa : I almost think it was attached later, as it extends as far upwards as the horizontal stabilizers, whereas on the other pics (at least the one on the
30 Post contains links Winglet : I live at 22 River Terrace, the apartment block directly over looking the entire NTSB operation. As an airliner.net user, I filmed took footages for t
31 D L X : IT's hard to say. Those birds look very large to be pigeons to me, and I've never seen a pigeon with feathers that clean. But if they were, that's on
32 STT757 : US Air Shuttle of course. Some big ice chunks banging into the aircraft.
33 Rightrudder : I heard on the radio and read on search engines that Captain Sullenberger will be interviewed this morning by Matt Lauer on the "Today" show.
34 NIKV69 : Not a surprise. Pretty clear that the flock of Geese was so big they were ingested by both engines and were all over the nose of the aircraft. Cancel
35 Post contains links Inbound : Ooooook, So Obama has invited the entire crew on board AirForce One whenever they can. Damn!!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28730605/
36 Threepoint : As mentioned, you're looking at snow obscuring the titles. It is illegal for anybody to tamper with an aircraft following a crash. Removing or coveri
37 Post contains links Rikkus67 : This is conjecture, of course.... but I am wondering if the APU fairing was still partially attached below the waterline? When the plane was placed o
38 THVGJP : What is the max glide/range spped for athe plane involved, I assume the pilot was aiming for that since in the USA today said he lowered the nose to l
39 DingDong : A320 glide ratio is 17:1, assuming ideal conditions, but may easily be much less in terms of range. Not sure what the 1549 green dot speed was since
40 Mir : You can see the clumps sticking to the nose in Moose's last picture. You gain speed if you lower the nose. Had the pilot kept the nose up at the same
41 Max777geek : No wonders he's gonna hire them once he's done with the moving in the new apartment
42 Threepoint : For a one-time joyride or as a permanent hedge in case of ditching?
43 777fan : Conspiracy theorists and litigators rejoice: CNN just ran a quick piece that is attempting to link the same aircraft's compressor stalls earlier last
44 Post contains links Threepoint : Meanwhile, in the quest to wring as many miles out of this story as possible, some well-known orators have stooped to new levels of cheese: http://pra
45 OldAeroGuy : Probably a bit less with the high lift system at least partially deployed and windmilling engines. More likely about 10:1 to 12:1. With an altitude o
46 EMBQA : Compressor stalls although rare, can happen and do not always rate a RTB. You basicly look for a shift in your engine ITT. If you see none and no oth
47 Viscount724 : Has it been confirmed that geese were responsible? Several news reports mention the captain referring to the birds in the large flock they flew throu
48 EMBQA : I'd say Sea Gulls most likely. I'm not sure Canada Geese are moving this time of the year..
49 777fan : Yes, I'm aware of what a compressor stall entails, but am merely fingering CNN's attempt to genetically link apples and oranges, or, in this case, co
50 David L : Anyone else putting their money on the US employee meaning it was the same type... if the story's true, as you say?
51 777fan : Sea gulls at 3000 feet? I'm not sure they fly that high, nor am I sure they "flock", which will disappoint fans of the infamous 80s band that holds a
52 Cactus105 : Sorry , don't know if this has been said yet because i havent had time to read... I read an email today from US Airways stating that the Airbus "weigh
53 Threepoint : OK, so this captain guy is a MENSA member, ex-fighter jock, hero captain, family man, safety expert and demonstrated accomplished flyer, but apparent
54 EMBQA : The crew issued a press release just a while back that they will be conducting no interviews for a while... Flock of Sea Gulls..LoL.. classic. I was
55 Post contains images Threepoint : I can't believe I'm posting this, but what colour would you call the majority of this bird? To be fair - give yourself the same conditions the pilots
56 HaYnFlyer : " target=_blank>www.kontain.com/david Absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing. I'll buy you a drink next time your on my island (Oahu) or I'm on yours
57 Viscount724 : Some seem to be more gray than brown. As you say, hard to be too specific at that speed.
58 NIKV69 : I doubt it, Sea Gulls don't fly in formations and from what I have seen only fly with a huge group when a food source is found. Even then they are cl
59 David L : Yes, I managed to mess up thanking Winglet for that in my previous post. I wouldn't go as far as that. I think I'd call it brown. I certainly wouldn'
60 OldAeroGuy : Come to Puget Sound. I've seen our local herring gulls flying in a V as regular as any goose formation when they are transiting between two distant p
61 Threepoint : I never said anything about straight lines. I live on an enormous lake - I see 'em every day in season. I see them, in large swirling, orbiting group
62 Toulouse : Thank you for sharing those incredibe photos, best I've seen anywhere so far.
63 AC788 : I have most definitely encountered gulls around 3000ft agl, although I'm sure it's rare. With all the water around LaGuardia Airport I wouldn't take
64 Post contains links Lhayden : For a a complete slideshow of the entire incident (67 photos and still being updated- including descent, landing, evacuation, rescues, press conferenc
65 Post contains links Litz : The CNN article in question, http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html, goes into more specific detail. They apparently have some
66 Litz : Gulls are a lot smaller than geese, however ... with an engine designed for a 4-5 lb birdstrike, a single goose is all it takes ... they can weigh 10
67 Post contains links Thenoflyzone : Indeed, N106US flew US1549 on the 12th and 13th of January before the events on the 15th. http://www.antonakis.co.uk/acars.php?page=request Thenoflyz
68 Ellehammer : That Airbus should really be exhibited somewhere on the bank of the Hudason. Hope they make a little museum to this story. I'd also like to see Sullen
69 Mirrodie : I agree some of this is over the top, ....but... You seemingly incessant quest to discredit the pilot of any 'heroics' may perhaps hint at something
70 Ellehammer : Mirrodie, you are exceptionally lacking in the "irony" department.
71 Maxpower1954 : Actually...sarcasm, the easiest form of humor to misinterpet. He was being funny; I got it right away.
72 Max777geek : Is anyone in knowledge of the fact N106US did fly without problems on 14th Jan 2009 ? I don't see how a mechanical problem (if even proven) could hav
73 777fan : I'm not discounting the fact that the same aircraft flew the same route and had a compressor stall, but rather criticizing CNN's rush to link the Tue
74 David L : Oh, bugger. More money down the drain. Pretty obvious, I thought. I'd better leave it at that.
75 Max777geek : how could this happens with all the testimonials ? this is much more possible.
76 Rj777 : Ok, the plane has been towed away for "further investigation." My question is this: The pilots have confirmed it was a birdstrike. The FDR (to my know
77 Antoniemey : Well, it was an aviation accident that COULD have (but thankfully didn't) cost the lives of over 150 people. Even without Government bureaucracy, tha
78 David L : I'm not sure "confirmed" is the right word. The pilots have reported a bird-strike. The FDR shows data consistent with a bird-strike... or perhaps ot
79 EMBQA : The NTSB only about safety. The will look into every aspect of this event you can think of. Passenger egress and safety during this event...crew trai
80 2175301 : Furthermore: They will also investigate the response and training of everything from the passenger ferries to the fire department and coast guard....
81 Nykr : On MSNBC's Countdown program this evening they reported that the passenger who was seen in many of the post ditching interviews explaining that he was
82 SpeedBirdA380 : I found this on the internet and found it quite amusing. My apologies if its already been posted.I had a look through the 1000+ posts to check but cou
83 EMBQA : Maybe they like sleeping in their own bed at night. Being senior they bid the lines they want. One of the most senior crewed aircraft at Northwest is
84 STT757 : Yeah Spirit Airlines made the worst persons list.
85 Wjcandee : Sure...like should there be a policy/alternate procedure for relighting below X000 feet?(However, that issue came up in the Pinnacle CRJ investigatio
86 Threepoint : Sir, I have an issue with the hype that started before the impact splash had subsided. Claims of 'hero' and 'miracle' were trumpeted so often it actu
87 Wjcandee : One other thought I had: because the national media coverage was so New York City-centric (because most of the national reporters were based there and
88 Gorgos : I think he´s hilarious I also got the million pound flying A320 joke in thread 5.
89 Max777geek : Fine, NTSB is still investigating to exclude it was a birds riot and the airplane had a 2 engines compressor stall on his own casually passing by.
90 Gorgos : Sure its pure protocol that the investigation is being carried out, I agree. But I think the investigators are mostly eager to learn how everything w
91 Lexy : Actually, that is plenty of reason for me to stay at home to be honest. If I was an uninformed passenger or media member and I wanted some attention,
92 Starlionblue : Sounds like a good rule. It's easier to respond fast if you're in a boat close to the ditching than if you have to get orders through dispatch, then
93 Seefivein : Passengers on Downed U.S. Airways Flight Get $5,000 Each By Tammy Terry Anchor Associated Press U.S Airways has sent $5,000 checks to each of the 150
94 Rj777 : I think this is a good move by US Airways. I also think they should also send them all a letter thanking them for their kind words and support. So man
95 Mirrodie : Sarcasm and wit is less clear when written. And open to interpretion. Really. Before gravity had a chance to settle the water droplets? A bit exagger
96 PlanesNTrains : Absolutely. I don't think the investigative criteria needs to begin with a mystery or a body bag - the fact that this aircraft "went down" in flight
97 Threepoint : As it is when being spoken. I have an idea. If in doubt: ask. Show me one example of discrediting anybody please. And make sure not to exclude the ma
98 Dragon6172 : I read this article today and thought it was a classy move. I was wondering if it was something that was routinely done, and this is just US Airways
99 Wjcandee : I'll try to hit return more often. I assume that you don't want me to break these nuanced ideas into the sound bytes that you hate on the TV that you
100 PW100 : How about one engine got hammered by a birdstrike, and the other stalled out due to severely deteriorated compressor condition after the automatic up
101 Litz : the NTSB's press conference after the DFDR data was initially read stated that both engines immediately lost post upon contact w/the suspected flock
102 Spacecadet : It's hardly "pure protocol". Have some of you guys actually read any NTSB reports? They are highly technical. The NTSB will go into the exact sequenc
103 Etops1 : A MESSAGE FROM CAPTAIN SULLY SULLENBERGER The following is a personal message from Flight 1549 Captain, Sully Sullenberger. I have been asked to relay
104 Mirrodie : No morphing. Straightforward reading of your comments lead to comment. Had hte strike taken place just 100 feet above ground, on this way over Rikers
105 Starlionblue : Haha. It is indeed true I don't watch the news on TV. But by all means hit return more often.
106 Etops1 : VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE!!! rhonda b (35 year F/A with DL, retired) USAPA Special Update, Flight 1549 January 18, 2009 CREW UPDATE: B Flight Attendant
107 Wjcandee : Okay, so this hokey USAPA press release totally proves my point raised earlier. Good luck to them. They'll need it.
108 Etops1 : Okay, so this hokey USAPA press release totally proves my point raised earlier. Good luck to them. They'll need it. what's hokey about it? i find it v
109 Threepoint : I can understand - you not being an aviator - your lack of a firm grasp on the sentiments involved. Those working within the industry recognize the f
110 Starlionblue : Very nice post. What is "IOE"?
111 Max777geek : Isn't there an insurance for such events ? From the airline I mean, not an optional one on your ticket. I think that the luggage lost (drowned even)
112 Max777geek : hat off.
113 FrmrCAPCADET : It seems that it would be good, after the investigation is complete, to reassemble this aircraft as it would look a minute or two after the water land
114 Wjcandee : "Initial Operating Experience" I was going to write my own definition, but this one from Airline Pilot Forums is better than I would have written: "T
115 LTBEWR : As to the $5,000 compensation for the lost luggage, it is probably well above any obligation of the airline and more to deter lawsuits or the amount t
116 Starlionblue : Thanks. Well above the minimum and I had the same thoughts about liability.
117 Max777geek : I wouldn't point my finger to the luggage lost or deteriorated by water or held by ntsb for investigation matters the most significant damage that a
118 Mir : To elaborate on this a bit: IOE is done with a check airman in the other seat (captains have IOE as well - the check airman plays the role of FO in t
119 Pliersinsight : Totally out of left field: Would it be over the top to suggest that the remains of the plane should go to the Smithsonian or some other aviation museu
120 Mirrodie : At this point, it seems to me the entire crew are recognized for their heroes efforts. Not just the average day in the office.
121 Post contains links Legoguy : http://www.airliners.net/photo/US-Airways/Airbus-A320-214/1466815/L/ Could the pink circles be indicating the bird strike areas? If so, they lseem to
122 Post contains links Threepoint : Valerie Wunder, an airline spokeswoman, said the $5,000 checks were not intended to “shut down” any other claims, like lawsuits, that passengers
123 Ellehammer : Well, the ferries drifted along with the aircraft, so the drift wouldn't be a factor. But indeed, the maneuvering of the ferries seems to have been ex
124 David L : Whether or not they were "heroes" is entirely subjective. They certainly passed a test that very, very few crews have faced in anger so I wouldn't ca
125 Nomadd22 : I'm about ten miles from Manhattan. There are more geese flying around than I've seen in years. The old migration patterns don't hold true now days.
126 GentFromAlaska : As of 3:15 EST today (Wednesday) divers are reported to have verified finding the location of the second engine in the Hudson River at a depth of abou
127 AdamHunterr : I've been talking to one of my uncles who is training with Korean Air right now and he was absolutely stunned at how well this pilot made the landing.
128 Hiflyer : CNN has been running live feed of the site....losing light now towards evening and it also apparent ice is forming quite close. Temps about 27 now an
129 ZANL188 : Latest from NTSB... National Transportation Safety Board Washington, DC 20594 January 21, 2009 *******************************************************
130 JFKMan : I will be flying US Airways to CLT over the weekend and would love Captain Sully to be onboard! Captain Sully seems to be a celeb now. I have seen him
131 Max777geek : If you're departing from some oversea airport, I truly believe you. He will be forever, no wonders. Even more honor to the perfect job by everybody c
132 Post contains links Ellehammer : New video footage! http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4747520n "Flight 1549 Passengers Escape Caught On Tape: Newly released surveillance camera v
133 Post contains links and images Moose135 : The aircraft has been moved to Jersey City, still on the barge, for the investigation, and I took a ride over this afternoon. Incredibly, it is in an
134 DingDong : I'm not sure but I would think more possible they slipped. Some of the paxs remarked about how inadequate their shoes were for a slippery wing.
135 Dragon6172 : You sure that is not from the straps they used to lift it out?
136 Ellehammer : Thanks so much for the great shots! I still think it looks like somebody not just slipping, but actually jumping a good way away from the wing. Or ma
137 D L X : What exactly would one sue for? What do they expect to be compensated for?
138 Starlionblue : Not to worry. They'll find a reason.
139 Max777geek : Im not much into legal things but if the sue act stands to formally notify the company of what happened, I guess they already know. The sue you expec
140 RJ777 : I bet that this is one RARE example (as far as I know) that will pass without a lawsuit due to the heroic actions of Capt. Sully and the rest of the c
141 Mir : Any idea what that stuff is on the wingtip fence? I'm thinking it might be the effect of salt water, but I have no idea what that's supposed to look
142 Breiz : We may not talk about the same thing, but the first person to reach the extremity of the right wing did slip in the water. We can then see the second
143 Moose135 : I think that may just be the paint scuffed off it. That was the side that was underwater and up against the bulkhead in Manhattan. If you look at my
144 Litz : Could also be mud or something else stuck on it ... - litz
145 Ikramerica : If that's true, then why is the PIC paid more than everyone else? Or senior F/As more than junior F/As, for that matter? Shouldn't you all be fightin
146 Litz : I remember reading one response way back up in one of the six threads on this issue (what is that, close to 1500+ replies at this point?) ... That re
147 Post contains links Sevendst : We tried this flight in the simulator using the dual engine failure checklist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmoi9aTaTZI
148 ZANL188 : I believe the right wing was stuck in the mud. When they lifted it out of the water there was a very dark substance all over the outer third of the r
149 Luv2cattlecall : Perhaps that $$ could be better spent making sure Concorde is taken care of instead though? Last I heard, the nose got clipped by a truck, and it has
150 David L : I think you've taken Litz's words out of context. He was explaining why it isn't generally practiced in the simulator, not that there have been a lot
151 ZANL188 : No, he was trying to "holier than thou" the crew.......
152 David L : It seems quite different to me if you don't ignore the previous paragraph... I guess only Litz can tell us what he meant.
153 Mir : Nice video, though I wish I got to hear the crew communicate with each other more. Also, how far along in the checklist did you get? I see you had ti
154 Moose135 : Not to stray from the topic, but...that happened (and was well documented here and on NYCAviation.com) last summer, while the aircraft was at Floyd B
155 ZANL188 : I'd agree with you but for his wording... I mean why single out "successful" ditchings when all ditchings would yield even better simulator data.....
157 SEPilot : Geraldo Riviera is also making an issue of this; his point is that the AD on the GE engines was issued just days before this accident and it dealt wi
158 Zeke : The AD was for CFM56-5B engines with a 80 °C EGT margin deterioration, it was not issued to cover the event of running into a flock of geese, nor do
159 UN_B732 : As we all know, we can count the number of successful large transport class ditchings in the last 20 years not on one hand, but on a single finger. No
160 Post contains links Viscount724 : Also a Tu-134 near Moscow in 1972 with no fatalities. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19720717-0 And,while not exactly ditchings si
161 SEPilot : I realize that; my question is whether the condition that leads to the compressor stall made the engines more susceptible to damage by birds than wou
162 Zeke : The EGT margin deterioration (which was the subject of the AD) is normally just caused by ordinary wear and tear, just old age. It does not make it m
163 DingDong : I honestly and seriously doubt that. I also honestly and seriously doubt that, too. Especially when one engine had a N1 of 35% and the other had a N1
164 Wjcandee : Just because they *currently* have "some" power doesn't mean that the wounded engine is going to continue to function. It makes no sense to put yourse
165 474218 : However, both engines were producing sufficient power to maintain electrical power and hydraulic pressure.
166 Mir : You may be thinking of N2. As far as I know, 40% N1 is the general limit for power used to taxi in areas where jet blast is a concern (like on the ra
167 Tdscanuck : It shouldn't. Bird damage is a physical thing, not an aerodynamic phenomenon like a compressor stall. "Some power" isn't enough. The remaining engine
168 SEPilot : They didn't even need enough power to maintain altitude, as they were at 3000 feet and just had to make it a few miles to the airport without hitting
169 ZANL188 : ************************************************************ NTSB ADVISORY ************************************************************ National Trans
170 Dragon6172 : Who knows what kind of creatures had a week to nibble anything away.
171 Rj777 : Well, there it is folks! The final sign that this bird will never fly again.
172 Wjcandee : Is that right? I thought NTSB said the RAT deployed automatically, so I assumed that there was enough of a power interruption to cause that. As to hy
173 Zeke : Apart from the feather on the flap tracks and bird mince in the engines ?
174 Wjcandee : One other thought: would they be using the "relight" checklist (dual engine failure), as NTSB appears to have said that they were, if the engines were
175 David L : Reminds me of the Gary Larson cartoon of the TV reporter bird standing in front of an aircraft just landed after a bird strike: "The name of the bird
176 EMBQA : One second after the plane hit the water its fate was cast. It was NEVER going to fly again
177 Tdscanuck : One engine wasn't producing any thrust, the other was way below commanded. It would have been clearly obvious to the flight crew that they had a seve
178 474218 : On PPRuNe someone posted the all operators telex from the Airbus Flight Safety Department. The third paragraph from the end reads: "It is to be noted
179 Gorgos : You might want to check out post 156 from zeke in this thread. I agree, really interesting.
180 Timz : Gliding to Teterboro-- how easy would it have been? I think somebody said US 1549 decided not to fly over populated areas trying for a landing at Tete
181 Pihero : Hello, TimZ. In ideal conditions, i.e. windmilling engines, speed at "Green Dot" (Best glide ratio), that glide ratio will be in the vicinity of 15.
182 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : The flight number [US1549] is still operational for the CLT-SEA portion of the flight...I thought carriers changed flight numbers after incidents like
183 Threepoint : I'm not sure you're debating the argument I put forth, so will leave you to revel in your confusion. There are a lot of debatable, incorrect and irre
184 Starlionblue : This is by no means a rule. Flight numbers are sometimes retired, but not always. I think you mean most Canadians and Americans.
185 Post contains links Hatbutton : http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...01-26-us-airways-river-crash_N.htm Some passengers feel that $5,000 was not enough and one passenger was quoted
186 SEPilot : If the law worked the way it should, the suit would be tossed out as soon as it hits the clerk's desk. But we all know that the law doesn't work that
187 Hatbutton : Agreed. It's a slap in the face to all the hard work the crews and manufacturers do to prevent incidents like these from becoming catastrophes.
188 Threepoint : Perhaps. I spent much of my youth in the UK, a land in which nicknames are plentiful and imaginative. Actually, the plaintiffs lawyers need only to p
189 Post contains links Airfinair : A little more insight into the crane lift from Engineering News-Record (sorry if its been posted already): http://enr.construction.com/products...t/20
190 Threepoint : Curious that an engineering publication would resort to such statements as "The damaged Airbus A320, whose pilot miraculously and safely brought the
191 2175301 : So I take it that you mean that no pilot was needed.... That the plane would have naturally glided into a safe landing upon the loss of both engines.
192 Threepoint : I hope your engineering skills are better than your powers of deduction. Which is uncharacteristic for an engineering forum. I would have expected it
193 Starlionblue : Perhaps one should say "English speaking countries"? I think he meant that there was no miracle involved, since that implies supernatural events. I t
194 Max777geek : Was that intended to fullfill all the biological damage suffered by the passengers ? I didn't read so. It was to temporary refund, on a non exclusive
195 BOStonsox : I thought that they retired that number for the whole flight. It's interesting that they did this. While it's common practice to do so while there is
196 Threepoint : At the risk of bumping this never-ending thread yet again, it appears "several passengers" have contacted aviation litigation firms and are making enq
197 BOStonsox : They recovered the entire aircraft from the Hudson River, why couldn't they take any luggage that wasn't destroyed and return it to their owners?
198 Max777geek : Did the airline stated also they were the only money they were going to get ?
199 Post contains links Moose135 : From the US Airways letter to the passengers:
200 Post contains links Cactus742 : Apparently Doug and the employee care team operated a "special flight" direct PHX-LGA after 1549 landed in the Hudson. I searched for any PHX-LGA flig
201 Threepoint : They will, as Moose135 pointed out. Eight weeks seems a long time to dry and reweigh soggy bags but I'm sure the NTSB has their reasons. Not to my kn
202 Post contains links Moose135 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20090115/2349Z/KPHX/KLGA I don't know that the perimeter rule applies to charter flights, especially
203 BOStonsox : Okay, thanks. I was wondering about that.
204 Post contains links and images Moose135 : Today in Jersey City, with "Wings 'N Things" removed: The starboard wing on a flatbed trailer - you can see the #2 engine pylon, and one of the landin
205 Post contains links PZ : look at this video: US Airways plane making an incredible trip through jersey city NJ
206 Post contains links ZANL188 : ************************************************************ NTSB ADVISORY ************************************************************ National Trans
207 Post contains links Srbmod : Please continue the discussion here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4307708/
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