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User currently offlineBrandonfs88 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 177 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

With the NW/DL Merger going through, does anyone know if any of the NW/DL vendor stations have changed vendors yet. I heard from my manager that FWA is going to be Comair.

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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Well EV has lost the contract in AVL, MLU & VPS. MLU and VPS are goin to XJ and AVL has already changed over to OH. Knowing enough about the process, it appears that DL is choosing the lowest bidder and not looking at anything else. All three of those stations are really good performance stations for EV so we'll just have to see how XJ and OH are able to handle them.

According to an EV message to employees there are 60 stations with over lap which all went out for RFP for above and below wing and then there are apparently 46 more stations where DL has asked for RFP's for below wing only which DL or NW are currently doing the work, not sure about specifics on those.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

AVL was EV for DL and 9E for NW, now combined to be handled by OH. 9E is still handling CO in AVL but that contract may go to Piedmont (US)

Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 1):
According to an EV message to employees there are 60 stations with over lap which all went out for RFP for above and below wing and then there are apparently 46 more stations where DL has asked for RFP's for below wing only which DL or NW are currently doing the work, not sure about specifics on those.

Correct, there are about 50 stations that have overlap between NW & DL contractors that are out for rebid. Lowest cost seems to be winning out in most cases.

Stations that were DL Connection or NW Airlink only stations weren't put out for rebid, for now, only overlap stations.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3147 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 1):
All three of those stations are really good performance stations for EV so we'll just have to see how XJ and OH are able to handle them.

XJ is usually pretty good. I've been through a lot of their stations that they run for NWA, and their folks do a good job.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3112 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 1):
and then there are apparently 46 more stations where DL has asked for RFP's for below wing only which DL or NW are currently doing the work, not sure about specifics on those.

If mainline is at a particular station (either above or below wing), they'll stay in that capacity.



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3048 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 4):
If mainline is at a particular station (either above or below wing), they'll stay in that capacity.

From the communication sent out that's not the case but until the results are posted we won't know.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3010 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 5):
From the communication sent out that's not the case but until the results are posted we won't know.

The memo to EV employees that you mentioned? Who was it from? Can you cut-n-paste an excerpt?

We (at NW) received one from Crystal Knotek in October saying just the opposite. That's not even factoring in the current scope language of NW M/L employees.

Not arguing with you, just sayin'...



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

I know OH put in for the contract at MLI, but we have yet to hear word on whether or not we'll get it. If not I don't know what's going to happen because we still have the contract for EV and UAX for a few years into the future, so maybe when those contracts come to an end there will be a re-bid.

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2869 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 1):
All three of those stations are really good performance stations for EV so we'll just have to see how XJ and OH are able to handle them.

XJ stations are fabulous. They won't have any problems whatsoever with this. They will likely win most stations that they are currently in and possibly some they aren't at this point.



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User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2821 times:



Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 8):
XJ stations are fabulous. They won't have any problems whatsoever with this. They will likely win most stations that they are currently in and possibly some they aren't at this point.

I hope they do. I have seen XE bite off more than they can chew before as well. Not training, staffing, etc and things go down hill fast. Reminds me of what happened to them in HPN a few years ago with the AA contract. They lost that and CO in a matter of months.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
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I know XJ also picked up HHH. They're currently hiring for a station manager there.


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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2677 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 6):
The memo to EV employees that you mentioned? Who was it from? Can you cut-n-paste an excerpt?

We (at NW) received one from Crystal Knotek in October saying just the opposite. That's not even factoring in the current scope language of NW M/L employees.

Not arguing with you, just sayin'...

I believe was originally form Terry Vias but this is what is now in a section about the RFP process.

Quote:
Delta also put out a request for proposal for below-wing operations only at 46 additional cities where Delta currently has staff doing this work. We placed bids on several of those stations as well, where we also have a flying presence.



User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 11):
I believe was originally form Terry Vias but this is what is now in a section about the RFP process.

Who's Terry Vias?

Also, from your excerpt posted, I wonder if that means DL mainline, or DGS?



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 12):
Who's Terry Vias?

Also, from your excerpt posted, I wonder if that means DL mainline, or DGS?

Terry is VP of Customer Care,

Your second question is a good one, that is why I said we might not know until all the results are out there since DGS operates as the below wing at a lot of stations that M/L works above wing.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 9):
I have seen XE bite off more than they can chew before as well. Not training, staffing, etc and things go down hill fast. Reminds me of what happened to them in HPN a few years ago with the AA contract. They lost that and CO in a matter of months.

XE is Expressjet, XJ is Mesaba. Who are you talking about? You quoted someone who was referring to Mesaba.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Giving this a bump, we should be hearing more announcements soon.....

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2227 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 13):
Your second question is a good one, that is why I said we might not know until all the results are out there since DGS operates as the below wing at a lot of stations that M/L works above wing.

IIRC, the DGS stations will stay as-is, if DL mainline is doing above wing work without NWA mainline people at the station.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2216 times:

Word from MSY is that DL just hired 40 or 60 (I have heard both numbers) crew members who are guaranteed "at least" 4 hours of work each day and no benefits. DGS to replace the NW mainline crew, perhaps?

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2182 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
DGS to replace the NW mainline crew, perhaps?

Possibly. This would go against what DL has said to employees, although who's to say how truthful that "pledge" was to begin with.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2182 times:

Were they hired by DL or DGS? That sounds more like DGS.

User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2146 times:
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In MDT, OH takes over the NW contract from Worldwide on Mar. 1st.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

The general scoop on the regional contracts is that the wholly-owned are favored to pick up the contracts where outsourced. This means OH & XJ since it keeps the contract "in-house" per say.

9E, EV, and Worldwide are probably going to lose a bunch of ground handling contracts.


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2018 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
The general scoop on the regional contracts is that the wholly-owned are favored to pick up the contracts where outsourced. This means OH & XJ since it keeps the contract "in-house" per say.

I hope that who ever did the bids for OH aren't the same ones that did the bids for UA's RFP. If they are, they're in for rude awakening on how much more OH will cost to ground handle than using the seasoned professionals already working there.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2005 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 19):
Were they hired by DL or DGS?

Not sure. I'm guessing DGS. I know NW at MSY is mainline with a lot of senior employees, so I wouldn't be surprised if they go.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1949 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 18):
Possibly. This would go against what DL has said to employees, although who's to say how truthful that "pledge" was to begin with.

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Sad but true.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
9E, EV, and Worldwide are probably going to lose a bunch of ground handling contracts.

I don't think many tears will be shed over WorldWide losing contracts...

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 23):
I know NW at MSY is mainline with a lot of senior employees, so I wouldn't be surprised if they go.

Why wouldn't that surprise you?



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25 DLX737200 : But for the cities where OH already handles most or all of the DL operation, how much more will OH cost to ground handle? And if you're calling 3rd p
26 Burnsie28 : That sounds like an odd number if you ask me since they wouldn't need that many people just with the addition of flights. The NW mainline people ther
27 Burnsie28 : Another odd thing was I was just looking at Comair and they are hiring for CSA's at some odd stations those being: DTW FNT GRR MDW MKE All these stati
28 Post contains links Burnsie28 : From what I gathered they are accepting applications for up to 60 people for ready reserve, which this looks like a Delta mainline position as its li
29 N917me : What about OMA? Skyway handles NW there.
30 MSYtristar : Out with the higher salaries, in with the lower salaries. Kick out the people who actually know the job and replace them with people who have no real
31 Burnsie28 : Well I should have stated thats the amount of applications they will take, unless filled first, but it might only be 3-4 people.
32 MSYtristar : I guess they are not expecting to get the "cream of the crop" then eh?
33 USPIT10L : No argument there. The sad thing about these independent contractors is that for every piece of good information they give you, they also have so muc
34 DurangoMac : Probably not much more but for the cities where they took over from OO they're running with sometimes twice the number OO used to work flights. I do
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