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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 18802 times:

According to radio news here in Los Angeles, a DL pax opened the exit row overwing exit and walked out on the wing after his flight had parked at the gate and pax were already deplaning normally.

No news yet if he was drunk, enraged or psychotic, but the story is that ground crew had to apprehend him. Any of you rampers ever had to deal with something like that?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25137 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18741 times:

Sounds like incident at LAX a few years back. Person on an MD-80 was impatient about deplaining, opened a overwing exit, jumped on the wing and down onto the ramp. He was promptly tacked by a pair of rampers off loading bags.

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18691 times:

I'm sure DL will send the passenger the bill for having the mechanic re-install the emergency exit door...not to mention for the cancelled flight afterwards. Of course, that will be after the TSA gets him first for being stupid in a no stupidity zone...  Wink


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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18693 times:

I heard about this waiting to clock out about two hours ago. Someone was saying they had the dogs out there chasing him down.

There was another incident in Phoenix a month or two ago, but there's another poster here who could probably tell the story better, since I had gone home by the time it happened...

[Edited 2009-01-20 23:07:27]


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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 18533 times:

Local news seems to point to this SkyWest CR9 flight as the one in question, but this is solely an educated guess from things I've been able to piece together about the flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW4531


User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18169 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Any of you rampers ever had to deal with something like that?

Yes, when I worked at Skywest. I had a lady pop the exit window on the runway. She did not jump out though but it was a strange sight to see when the aircraft pulled in. We often had people exit the planes and just start walking(no jetways), even though they had no idea where they were going.



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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18064 times:

A number of years back, when I was a teenager, I was on a SkyWest Metroliner, and after landing, the crew tried to open the front door (air stair) and it would not open. They tried and tried, and had ramp agents on the outside trying too. Eventually, they took out one of the overwing exit panels, and we all climbed through it and exited the aircraft.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17769 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
I'm sure DL will send the passenger the bill for having the mechanic re-install the emergency exit door

You make it sound like it's a lot of work. As long as the door wasn't damaged it can be placed back in just as easy as taking it out.


User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17652 times:

Here's the article

It says the flight came from SLC...and would say Skoker is probably right about being a SkyWest CR9.

I've been on a full CR9 at PHX...it doesn't take that long to deplane...  Wink


User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17157 times:

Several years ago I was on a US MD-80 going from ABE-PIT. We were all boarded, but the fog kept us from departing. I was one row behind the exits, doing some reading when I heard the sounds of the ramp (tugs, other a/c) very clear all of sudden. I looked up and saw the pax in front of me had cracked open the exit door about an inch or so. The FA came rushing up asking what he was doing and calmly the pax said, "I was hot and wanted some air." The FA jumped all over him and said we may have to cancel the flight now. The captain came back and looked at the exit door and said it would be fine, but gave a stern talking to the pax. I still remember the pax's comment like it was a yesterday.

User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16868 times:

The a/c you really don't want to do this on is the A318/19/20/21, the new gen 737's , and boeing 757/767-200/300's with overwing exits. If you open these exits the evacuation slide will inflate automaticaly . then you really will be in big trouble.

User currently offlineL4dashtrash From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16592 times:



Quoting Etops1 (Reply 10):
The a/c you really don't want to do this on is the A318/19/20/21, the new gen 737's , and boeing 757/767-200/300's with overwing exits. If you open these exits the evacuation slide will inflate automaticaly . then you really will be in big trouble.

Actually the Next gen 737's Still do not have slides, just a different way the hatch opens, and the hatch on the NG 737's is put back into place easier than a classic 737 hatch. but man they open quick when i was at Xtra we trained on board both the 737-400 and -800. one pull that window pops out and up


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15571 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
According to radio news here in Los Angeles, a DL pax opened the exit row overwing exit and walked out on the wing after his flight had parked at the gate and pax were already deplaning normally.

He just wanted his photo on the front page of every newspaper in the nation  Smile



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14083 times:



Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 9):
Several years ago I was on a US MD-80 going from ABE-PIT. We were all boarded, but the fog kept us from departing. I was one row behind the exits, doing some reading when I heard the sounds of the ramp (tugs, other a/c) very clear all of sudden. I looked up and saw the pax in front of me had cracked open the exit door about an inch or so. The FA came rushing up asking what he was doing and calmly the pax said, "I was hot and wanted some air." The FA jumped all over him and said we may have to cancel the flight now. The captain came back and looked at the exit door and said it would be fine, but gave a stern talking to the pax. I still remember the pax's comment like it was a yesterday.



Quoting L4dashtrash (Reply 11):
Actually the Next gen 737's Still do not have slides, just a different way the hatch opens, and the hatch on the NG 737's is put back into place easier than a classic 737 hatch. but man they open quick when i was at Xtra we trained on board both the 737-400 and -800. one pull that window pops out and up

These two, taken together, give me some concern. Would it be that easy for a pax (say a drunken one or a stupid one) to open the overwing exit at altitude? Creating a decompression? What are the safeguards against this sort of thing?


User currently offlineRailker From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

Well, the pax doors on the 737 swing inside as you close them, cabin pressure at altitude holds the door shut against its frame. Not sure how the emergency exits work, though, if they're just pop-out or if they swing inwards and then out ...

And then there's this note I was just reading at http://www.b737.org.uk/aircraft_general.htm#Doors ...

On the NG, it is not uncommon to get an overwing [warning light] caption illuminate for a fraction of a second as you start the take-off run. This is due to the overwing exit automatic locking function being slightly slow.


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

No sane person would do such a thing. Its really sad that nothing surprises me anymore.


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User currently offlineFlyguy41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

THe over wing exits, as are all doors, are plug type. The ones on the MD80/737/767/757 are held in by pressure. It would be impossible to open in flight.

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13870 times:

I always thought that the emergecny exits had to be dis-armed from the cockpit to be opened....I was not aware that you could just pop open an emergency exit like that...That sounds pretty bad if someone would do it just to be cute.....
I have always been nervous about the "un-educated" sitting next in an exit row.....

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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13801 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 13):
These two, taken together, give me some concern. Would it be that easy for a pax (say a drunken one or a stupid one) to open the overwing exit at altitude? Creating a decompression? What are the safeguards against this sort of thing?

Won't happen. Search this site for "plug door".


User currently offlineDangould2000 From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 13):
These two, taken together, give me some concern. Would it be that easy for a pax (say a drunken one or a stupid one) to open the overwing exit at altitude? Creating a decompression? What are the safeguards against this sort of thing?

i don't know about other a/c types, but on the 738/9, the overwing exits are locked when the engines are on.

Quoting Flyguy41 (Reply 16):
THe over wing exits, as are all doors, are plug type. The ones on the MD80/737/767/757 are held in by pressure. It would be impossible to open in flight.

On the 738/9, the overwing exits are hinged swinging outwards and upwards.

[Edited 2009-01-21 09:36:08]


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12098 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13711 times:
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Years ago didn't a FA for a European charter carrier end her carear this way also? I remember she poped the exit grabbed her bag and walked back to the airport!


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5497 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13668 times:

Hmm anyone hear from scottysair in awhile.....?  stirthepot 

User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 969 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13567 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
According to radio news here in Los Angeles, a DL pax opened the exit row overwing exit and walked out on the wing after his flight had parked at the gate and pax were already deplaning normally.

Maybe this pax watched the TV news reports showing the people standing on the wings of the A320 in the river, and thought that's the normal way out at the end of the flight?  Smile



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13538 times:



Quoting Flyguy41 (Reply 16):
THe over wing exits, as are all doors, are plug type. The ones on the MD80/737/767/757 are held in by pressure. It would be impossible to open in flight.

ahhh, okay. So they're kind of wedge shaped then at the seals, that makes sense.

Sorry, there's a crapload that I've forgotten about aviation since I was last involved in it 6 years ago.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13470 times:



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No sane person would do such a thing.

Sanity is just a state of mind.

What humanity is capable of when it feels like doing something is almost beyond comprehension.

At least we know the overwing exits aren't that hard to open!!



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25 Acabgd : And if the plane crashes and the pilots are knocked out? Or the whole cockpit is smashed, then how would you go out of the plane?
26 BWphoto : On the US A320 in the Hudson, I remember seeing the slides open adjacent the forward doors but not at the wings - maybe I missed them?
27 SYfan100 : These type of people are what cost companies money! Now the plane gets delayed so someone can put the door back into place for the next flight. The pa
28 Post contains links and images ABQopsHP : My only incident occured way back in 1985. Shortly after CO had received its first set of 737-300s. I was in SLC at the time and it was a cold morning
29 TristarSteve : The A320 wing slides are positioned in the fuselage below the wing. Perhaps they were underwater when they inflated and didn't pop up onto the wing a
30 PanAm788 : He was probably just really mad at a delay or somthing. Stupid DL Connection has been delayed probably 7 out of 8 times I've used them. Staying a rea
31 Ikramerica : My Dad was on a New York Helicopter flight from JFK to EWR back in the early 80s and some guy next to him got really freaked out on take off and open
32 Antoniemey : I believe in some of the images you can see a slide attached to the left wing of the US Airways plane both when it was in the water and while it was
33 Ikramerica : And it looked inverted to me.
34 PanAm788 : Have a sense of humor... wow. The incident I thought was funny was completely harmless (except for the two broken ankles, which she deserved) and did
35 Ikramerica : I wasn't judging you nor being negative. I was just telling a story from a different perspective. When it happens to you, it's not as fun sounding th
36 Arcrftlvr : So, your solution would be to give people of the next flight extra miles because their flight was delayed? I don't understand your logic. The delay i
37 PanAm788 : You didn't say that... and your story is completely different from the one I was laughing at. One a/c is in the air, one's on the ground. Big differe
38 SYfan100 : That idea I agree with 150%! Maybe it just might make people stop and think before doing something like going out a wing exit.
39 Jneel43 : Some years ago when returning from Bermuda as NRSA's my wife and I were in FC for a change. The Flt Att was not familiar with the AC and was a nervous
40 Faedc3 : A few years ago, I was on a 737-200 going from PTY-GYE-UIO, we arrived at GYE late at night and since it was a short stop before continuing to UIO the
41 Flydreamliner : My uncle did something like this 10 years ago at MSP (I think it may have been on an Avro RJ) - he saw the jet engine start up and shoot out some fla
42 KaiGywer : The Avro doesn't have emergency exits. Only four regular doors (catering door is somewhat smaller and yes it hurts when in a hurry  
43 YWG : It's really not that hard, just a matter of aligning the guide bayonets and locking it back in place. Must have been one ROUGH landing for that to ha
44 AApilot2b : What is it with Delta passengers opening exits and leaving the plane on their own accord? You have to admit its a little humorous considering that thi
45 Chgoflyer : Anyone who pulls this sort of reckless non sense on an aircraft or at an airport should got to jail- no questions asked.
46 Iairallie : The safeguard...Physics.
47 NorthstarBoy : This reminds me of something my dad went through once upon a time He was on a CO DC-10 from Den to Sea and a delay ensued after push from the gate, so
48 Lincoln : Just to add though there is a mechanical latch that engages at a certain speed (and then disengages on the other end) -- if you're in an exit row win
49 Copter808 : First off, if the "arrival" was hard enough to knock out the cockpit crew, the engines would have likely stopped running. Another alternative--if the
50 SSTsomeday : Cabin air pressure.
51 HAWK21M : Outwards swinging type hinged at the top on the B737NG.Plug type on the classics. regds MEL
52 N7190JR : Nice - N7190JR
53 Atlanta : I've seen flames on the 757/767. Atlanta
54 HAWK21M : Any details? regds MEL.
55 Atlanta : I was in the 757 (I'm pretty sure it was 757) at the gate in ATL when my co-pilot started the right engine, and looked back and said "Holy Sh*t we go
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