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New Zealand Aviation #47 - New Years Edition  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12043 times:
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Welcome to the first New Zealand Aviation Thread of 2009. It took just over 1 month to get through the last thread of 2008!

In Thread #46 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...l_aviation/read.main/4253832/1/#1, we learnt and discussed:

- Fuel surcharges
- More and more bad publicity for Qantas (jetconnect)
- KKE and WRE, and their problems with bad weather
- NZs B787-9 fleet is now delayed till 2013
- QFs last B743 flight, MEL-AKL-LAX
- NZ bio-fuel flight was a success
- NZ cancels its B744F service, while QF announces its freighter service on the same exact route NZ operated
- Jetstars expansion

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12047 times:
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France invites Air NZ, TAIC to help with inquiry


French authorities investigating the A320 crash into the Mediterranean last November have invited Air New Zealand and the Transport Accident Investigation Commission back to France for further help.


Air New Zealand fleet and operational specialists would return to France this weekend to provide further technical expertise to the investigation, chief executive Rob Fyfe said today.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/4826792a11.html


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4819 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12016 times:

Well that last thread sure took a long time to get to 200 posts! (1 month 3 days). I guess everyone was a bit tired after the hectic #45 thread which only took 10 days!
Most interesting about the NZ freighter being cancelled whilst QF starts up a freighter service effectively replacing it.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2700 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11919 times:

I'm thinking this was answered in one of the previous threads, but anyways...

Why does Jetstar have to apply for a New Zealand air operators certificate? I thought SAM was supposed to get rid of all that, with mutual recognition between the two countries and an airline from either one pretty much being able to fly domestically in the other coutnry without jumping through all the bureaucratic hoops.

Also, is it me or has Pacific Blue not ramped up domestic services like originally planned? They only have 4 AKL-WLG flights per day att he moment, with no indication of an increase once QF cuts down to their miserly 3 (!!!, why bother at all??). Do Pac Blue have any planes due or are they finding they have too much capacity with the 180-seat 738s? In which case, perhaps a 73G or two would be handy?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11913 times:
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Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 3):
Also, is it me or has Pacific Blue not ramped up domestic services like originally planned?

Well they did add CHC-DUD last year. Pac Blue have also added a few more aircraft recently and with Virgin Blue cutting back flights, PacBlue will be getting a few more aircraft to further expand. I just hope PacBlue gets some Ejets for more regional routes


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4819 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11800 times:

Another gem by the New Zealand Herald this morning  Yeah sure
I didn't know that the A330 was a double-decker, quad engined, whale-lookalike!!!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10553259

Anyway the story says that a hungry dog escaped its cage and chewed thru wiring for the APU on a QF A332 accompanied by a picture of a QF A388.



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineKnid From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11797 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2):

Most interesting about the NZ freighter being cancelled whilst QF starts up a freighter service effectively replacing it.

It certainly is very interesting, if NZ is dropping it because its not making much money then why is QF picking it up?

Maybe it was a dodgy back room deal between NZ and QF, NZ gives them their profitable freighter operation, and QF begins to abandon domestic ops, and throws JQ our way for a while.

However a more reasonable explanation could be that QF gave Atlas a ring and did a deal whereby they get the wet lease for cheaper (due to the NZ penalty payment? and Atlas's reluctance to try and utilise another B747 in the current climate) and hope that at the other end of this depression they will have a profit making operation.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11661 times:



Quoting Knid (Reply 6):

It certainly is very interesting, if NZ is dropping it because its not making much money then why is QF picking it up?

I read somewhere that NZ make a third of their Freight revenue off this twice weekly service. Weather that means its profitable or not I'm not sure.

I'd love to see the LH MD11Fs operating the service for NZ again!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11630 times:
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A safety warning issued by aircraft manufacturer Airbus is hinting at possible causes for November's Air New Zealand crash in France.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4827673a11.html


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11566 times:

NZ's hald year profit out in a few weeks, still made money but very little of it.

Also been told a rumour that NO routes are currently making money. Maybe the odd flight here and there but over all nothing is profitable.

Ground TG992



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11501 times:
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AKL, WLG and CHC - BNE, OOL, SYD and MEL from $135 one way with currently between 120-250 seats left on grab a seat

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11429 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
Also been told a rumour that NO routes are currently making money. Maybe the odd flight here and there but over all nothing is profitable.

Are they going to drop some routes in the next couple of months?


User currently offlineNZ560 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11390 times:

Air NZ axes more flights to Aust

Quote:
Air New Zealand has fast-tracked its pull-out from Hamilton International Airport axing 11 of its remaining flights between Sydney and Hamilton.

The airline had earlier indicated it would run the existing schedule two return flights a week until March 29, when all Hamilton-Sydney flights would cease.

The scrapping of flights is a further blow for the airport as the airline prepares to pull all services from Hamilton to the Gold Coast and Sydney from March 29.

That leaves just two Hamilton to Brisbane flights (down from three) a week and the airport's international status in serious jeopardy.

While Air New Zealand still claims to operate two return services a week between Hamilton and Sydney, Waikato Times inquiries found the scheduled Air New Zealand return service between Hamilton and Sydney will not operate on February 9 and 23 and March 23 and 27. And Sydney to Hamilton sector flights have been cancelled on February 13 and 20, and March 13. That is a total of 11 flights.

An airline spokeswoman said the cancellations were due either to "unplanned capacity reduction" or amendments to the Tasman schedule.

She said the decision to amend the schedule was determined in part by low bookings from Hamilton a less than 10 per cent booked load factor (fewer than 15 customers) on the cancelled services.

"All passengers who had booked on these dates have been re-accommodated on alternative services on the same day via Auckland," she said.

Hamilton airport chief executive Chris Doak said it was disappointing to suddenly lose more flights after the airline cancelled all international flights from March 29 except the Brisbane service. From March 30 Brisbane will be the only overseas destination for the airport.

I wonder how long it will be before NZ pull's all international flights.



-OJL RIP Also to the 7 onboard
User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

There is a thought provoking piece in today's Press here in CHC about whether NZ have gone too far in their public grieving/mourning over the loss of the A320 crew. I am unable to find it online to be able to post a link to it but I would be interested if anyone else has read it and what their thoughts might be on it.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11274 times:

I haven't seen or read it - but for god's sake. Seems whatever your actions, whatever things you do, there's always someone to say how you should have done it differently.

Whatever my personal feelings about the Air NZ CEO, the fact remains he was confronted with the ABSOLUTE WORST THING an airline manager can confront - an aircraft accident with loss of life. How dare someone sit on their sofa in sunny Christchurch, with all their family and colleagues alive and well, and criticize the actions of a man grappling with something as monumental as that? The arrogance takes my breath away.



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User currently offlineNZ560 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 11170 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 14):

On a happier note it appears that Murry White's body has been found.

NZ/XL Crash Part 2 May all crew now RIP.



-OJL RIP Also to the 7 onboard
User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11153 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 14):
there's always someone to say how you should have done it differently.

Well being 'The Press' nothing would surprise me. There's something about the editorial team there that lust loves to sit in judgement and pontificate (usually about matters they know f*** all about).


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11132 times:
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The same flights to aussie are back on grab a seat this morning

User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11095 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
with Virgin Blue cutting back flights, PacBlue will be getting a few more aircraft to further expand.

Unfortunately, the opposite is true.

One of PacificBlue's 738s is about to be returned to VirginBlue, and then wetleased back to PacificBlue, operated by VirginBlue crew.

VirginBlue will be operating a number of services for PacificBlue using this sort of arrangement.

The motivation behind this being that VirginBlue currently has too many pilots, and would rather have a surplus of PB cabin crew than make any VB pilots redundant.

PB cabin crew are being offered temporary and permanant secondments to VB.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11054 times:



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Are they going to drop some routes in the next couple of months?



Quoting NZ560 (Reply 12):
I wonder how long it will be before NZ pull's all international flights.

No major Intl ones, the cost of closing and setting up would not make it a sensible option, maybe just reduce services.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 13):
There is a thought provoking piece in today's Press here in CHC about whether NZ have gone too far in their public grieving/mourning over the loss of the A320 crew. I am unable to find it online to be able to post a link to it but I would be interested if anyone else has read it and what their thoughts might be on it.

I've heard this around but it's purely personal point of view which should really be kept to yourself. Certainly not printed the paper anywhere. Does nothing else happen in CHC?

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 18):
One of PacificBlue's 738s is about to be returned to VirginBlue, and then wetleased back to PacificBlue, operated by VirginBlue crew.

Why doesn't "Virgin Blue" operate all flights and remove the brand Pacific Blue and Polynesian Blue?

Ground TG992



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11047 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 19):
Why doesn't "Virgin Blue" operate all flights and remove the brand Pacific Blue and Polynesian Blue?

Legally, I don't think they can do that as long as Singapore Airlines has a stake in Virgin Atlantic.

Singapore didn't want the "Virgin" name diluted to another brand internationally. They agreed that Virgin could be used within Australia, but not outside Australia.

Thus the long haul international name V Australia and, of course, Pacific and Polynesian Blue.

mariner



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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10969 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
Singapore didn't want the "Virgin" name diluted to another brand internationally. They agreed that Virgin could be used within Australia, but not outside Australia.

Thus the long haul international name V Australia

everyone in OZ call VA Virgin anyway


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

Kinda misleading title, don't you think; especially because it's a freighter service:

Qantas plans new AKL-LAX weekly service

Hey, look! There's that 737!



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10888 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Kinda misleading title, don't you think; especially because it's a freighter service:

Bad title to since it doesn't even list LAX as a stop and its a one way flight like the NZ service as far as I'm aware.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10871 times:
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Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 21):
everyone in OZ call VA Virgin anyway

That may be the case, but I was answering a question as to why - legally - the airline doesn't do it.

mariner



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25 777ER : I've been looking at grab a seat today with keen interest in the Trans-Tasman flights that were also on offer yesterday after Ground TG992 said that n
26 NZ107 : The market is still being buoyed by the school holiday period IMO. The flight that I was on last week AKL-SYD NZ105 was at least 85% full from what I
27 Koruman : TG992 has touched upon what I believe is a verysignificant point, but a complex one. Air New Zealand's current long-haul business plan has been succe
28 JoFMO : I can understand EK, they fly the same route for a better price. But Korean to the US is a significant detour from OZ or NZ. Is that worth the price
29 Koruman : I couldn't agree more. I'm currently awaiting a reply to my request to be allowed to buy U class Premium Economy on Air NZ for a forthcoming trip to
30 JoFMO : May you give me some more informations? Are you saying that you company would rather put you in business via East Asia than Premium Eco with NZ? That
31 Koruman : It's always been a bit like that. They have rules about who you can fly with, and which subclasses can be booked, so for example until recently Air N
32 Knid : I think that AIr NZ's management can not be faulted for their response, IMHO they were open and honest, and it was the media itself that chose the le
33 Post contains links REALDEAL : point is the brands Pacific & Poly Blue & VA have little value as public just calls them Virgin. QF in yesterdays Brisbane Sunday Mail were selling t
34 Mariner : I know what your point is and it doesn't change the legal issue - which was the question asked. mariner
35 Flyjetstar : It wasn't their editorial team it was a columnist. If you're in CHC I'd encourage you to read it. I don't think it is a reflection on life in CHC! I
36 TG992 : What's the real difference in a first class on "most" (not including EK) airlines over what NZ offers in J class?? So J class travel is still availab
37 REALDEAL : your point is moot as eg. have not heard one member of public call VA V Australia, just Virgin. Smart naming on DJ's part to get around legal issue.
38 Flyjetstar : No it isn't. One columnist's opinion doesn't reflect CHC city in the same way Metro isn't a reflection of all of AKL.
39 Flyjetstar : Surely you've been around long enough to know that QF and NZ tried this not so long ago and it was turned down! I understand QF are talking to the AC
40 REALDEAL : no u have it wrong. That was a lot more than code sharing. Anyway, the world changed 3 months ago. They could both argue that if they don't code shar
41 Flyjetstar : I don't think either QF or NZ are going broke anytime soon. And any capacity reductions will be filled by DJ or JQ or EK for that matter. No argument
42 Aerokiwi : Interesting because just recently you were advocating Air NZ increase its business and premium class seat count on several routes. But, as expected,
43 Mariner : But that is the exact point. Again, someone asked why so I explained - legally - why. If every New Zealander referred to their national airline as La
44 TravellerPlus : Whilst I have not seen the article, the issue here is the word public. There is a difference between public displays and private mourning or support
45 Post contains links NZ560 : A quick search provides the following website which should give you the information you are after. Qantas and Air New Zealand withdraw Trans Tasman c
46 Koruman : I still do. My employer hasn't outlawed premium class travel at all, it is just directing its business towards carriers with reasonable pricing. And
47 Kiwiandrew : we know that they offered it - we do not know that it was profitable , unless you have access to some info that you are not sharing with us ?
48 Koruman : I'm working on the principle that they are not a charity. Similarly, until recent months a Star Business Class Circle Pacific ticket cost less than A
49 Aerokiwi : Yet enough corporates are "outlawing" business class to cut costs. that's why you see CX and BA and IB losing premium traffic by the truck load. I'm
50 Kiwiandrew : so in other words you do not actually know whether they would be profitable if they sold every single BP seat at that price , or whether they were ac
51 777ER : That may be the case in Aussie, but here, nearly everyone just says Pacific Blue or Polynesian Blue cause they don't know about Virgin Blue
52 TG992 : Koruman, this does not prove nothing, likewise I would say FY07 we would have posted a enormous profit, did we? Does GrabASeat run as a profit? just
53 Mariner : It would be much simpler if it were under one brand. But Singapore owned 49% of Virgin Atlantic and wanted that airline to be profitable. They did no
54 Flyjetstar : I'd agree. I have friends who refer to Pac Blue as Virgin too so I'm not sure that nearly everyone here calls it Pac Blue or Polynesian Blue. Many of
55 777ER : An NZ B733 has been sitting in WLG since Janurary 16th after being hit by a ground vehicle SOURCE: Dominion Post
56 Post contains links 777ER : Tasman airfare war heats up An air ticket bloodbath has erupted on the Tasman, with return fares between Sydney and Auckland dropping below $300, incl
57 Flyjetstar : I'm not sure which airline is being referred to here but from my experience that doesn't work out cheaper because of the exchange rate. The Australia
58 NZ107 : I have found that buying even one way tickets from Australia let alone return from Australia are much much more expensive than buying one way/return
59 NZ1 : That would be SJE. It's currently undergoing extensive repairs. It came very close to be written off due to the damage location. NZ1
60 REALDEAL : don't bet your house on it !!! Yes but how long ago was that ? The world has changed DRAMATICALLY in the last few months. QF & NZ could simply sell e
61 Flyjetstar : Mate, it'll only happen if they follow your ideas on here and start international services from IVC!
62 SunriseValley : [quote=Flyjetstar,reply=61]Mate, it'll only happen if they follow your ideas on here and start international services from IVC! /quote] I love it ! Wh
63 Aerokiwi : The Commerce Commission that considers these applications doesn't take into account what MAY happen (eg. as a result of the economic downturn). It's
64 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Watchdog rejects Air NZ's planned venture with Air Canada Air New Zealand and Air Canada have been denied permission by the Australian competition wa
65 Aerokiwi : Interesting, particularly given there are four carriers on the route (does this include United??) and the apparent contradiction with the QF/SA linku
66 Nzrich : Yes this aircraft is getting a temporary fix in WLG to enable it to be sent to CHC for a permanent fix ..
67 ANstar : Looks like UA are going to partner with Virgin Blue's program. If you do a booking on united.com Virgin Blue comes up in the list of FF programs to se
68 777ER : Any idea when -SJE will fly out again? Is it parked in the hanger south of the terminal that backs onto the golf course? Interesting. Wonder if this
69 Post contains links Koruman : I would suggest that you check out the Business Class fare comparisons on www.bestflights.com.au to allow yourself to see just how other airlines pri
70 REALDEAL : because of chargebacks when airlines go down, a big agency group in OZ is telling their agents not to take credit cards on their own merchant number
71 Gemuser : You do if the ACCC say you do! The Trade Practices Act covers just that "trade practices", ANY practices that occur in trade can be questioned by the
72 REALDEAL : here we go again !!! Look, any airline can sell any other airlines seats !!! They don't have to ask someone like ACCC's permission. They just have to
73 Koruman : I for one oppose a QF/NZ tie-up, or an AC/NZ tie-up. For too long market forces allowed NZ to set artificially high fares and to operate as a boutique
74 Koruman : Anybody else notice the thread informing us that......... Today's ORD-PVG flight, a three class 777---departed, on time with 0 in first, 0 in business
75 Koruman : As much as I am always fascinated by REALDEAL's posts (and acknowledge that RD was the only one of us who was right about the recession), Gemuser is d
76 Post contains links TG992 : http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,1520,00.html Yip I’m aware of this, any more questions read by post above again. That does not change wha
77 Flyjetstar : You're not being selective in you reporting to bolster your ongoing China argument are you? It did have 211 people on the return.
78 TG992 : And based on this NZ would be the largest aircraft parking lot in the World, most flights now are leaving NZ empty but returning with high/good loads
79 Post contains links 777ER : Thought everyone might like a good laugh with RealDeals post about how he believes FJ are better then NZ and QF, and about how he believes all of NZ a
80 Post contains links Aerokiwi : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...1404/ Indeed. Had a read and the "civil servant mentality" seems kind of unfair, particularly
81 NZ1 : No, it's having a permanent fix in WLG. About another week I heard. Not sure which hangar it's in. Quite serious yes. It damaged a one piece forged r
82 NZ107 : Indeed. I think there was another topic a few weeks ago about a case similar to this which was in the US..
83 Post contains links TG992 : http://www.SaverJet.com Just for a laugh. Ground TG992
84 767ER : NZ1 Question? I didn't think WLG had the hanger space - the former hanger is now a car park - to undertake major repairs of this nature. Is it being
85 MotorHussy : Anybody else been bidding on the $1 Reserve International Auction Fares of NZ's? I'm going for to PVG flights, a KIX and some other. Feel like a holid
86 MotorHussy : Not nit-picking, but this is an av-site. A hanger is what you put in your wardrobe with clothes on, a hangar however is an enclosed structure to hold
87 Nzrich : Oh really how things change when you have been away for a bit !! Last i heard it was being fixed in CHC .. Mind you it had only recently happened whe
88 767ER : Ooopps MH.....my apologies. I even spell checked it as well. I also meant to add , the old NAC/NZ hangar.
89 NZ560 : Haha didn't realise what airline would be behind that. I want one of those mugs. Yes just one.
90 777ER : NZ has a MX hangar on the southern end of the domestic terminal. There are B733s frequently parked outside the hanger during down time. On the other
91 Zkpilot : haha very good! Those sneaky airlines lol I wish IATA/ICAO made it a requirement worldwide that airlines had to show all inclusive pricing (perhaps e
92 KiwiRob : Wow you have a very generous employer, why don't you just suck it up and fly premium economy and be greatfull they you get 4 days off without having
93 TG992 : Way too difficult, for example can you imagine a fare AKL FRA one option AKLHKGFRA or another AKLLAXFRA or AKLLHRFRA you can even do AKL-LAX-SFO(NZ/U
94 777ER : Australia have made a rule that all fares need to include taxes and surcharges after DJ started including all taxes first. It appears including all t
95 ANstar : Whilst the variances may be huge in taxes etc, surely they could just advertise the total price as FROM $xxxx The same thing applies to stop overs. Y
96 DavidByrne : I don't see that including all taxes and surcharges within the ticket price need be at all difficult, and from a consumer's point of view I would far
97 Kiwiandrew : I agree that for straight forward OW or return point to point fares taxes should be included in the advertised price beyond this however it is not po
98 DavidByrne : Still not a problem. If the AKL-(LAX)-LHR fare is advertised then it should be advertised on the basis of no stopover at an all-inclusive price. If t
99 TG992 : Funny enough GST does not apply for International travel. I do agree with you here but it can be very complicated. Here is an example, AKLSYDSIN with
100 YVR1968 : Just flew NZ long haul for the first time MEL-AKL-YVR return and was really impressed with the flight crews on all the flights (well except for AKL-ME
101 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Can I suggest you click here and place your feedback direct with Air NZ? It's real helpful for us as staff to hear what our passengers are saying.
102 Koruman : Has anyone worked out why "Flyjetstar" works for Air NZ, while "Airnewzealand" works for Qantas? Seriously, well done to all Air NZ cabin crew. They w
103 Aerokiwi : I never realised you were with NZ, Flyjetstar. I had always thought you were Christchurch-base Jetstar crew. Were you once?
104 YVR1968 : You know what, I just did it. Thanks for the link. I always think, I should say more when excellent service is received, but tends to go the wayside.
105 767ER : Funny you say that Koruman but much to my surprise on NZ703 the other months the crew were actually quite mature - great crew. However, on another A3
106 Macilree : Just announced that Air New Zealand is to cease its remaining international services from Hamilton (HLZ).
107 Zkpilot : NZ could advertise that fare AKL-LHR as $xxxx. This would likely be via HKG but the fare is being sold to LHR! They could always add in smallprint th
108 Post contains links NZ560 : Air NZ axes trans-Tasman flights from Hamilton Also of interest is that EK are starting to fly their A380 SYD-AKL-SYD from next week. MON, THU and SAT
109 Post contains links NZ560 : Breaking News Commercial airport scheme for Whenuapai comes to an end Now all I can hope is that they let this topic RIP.
110 Alangirvan : The Dunedin Star paper has a 30 years ago column, and today they report that in January 1979 Air New Zealand announced an off peak budget return air f
111 NZ1 : Not sure which hangar it's being done in, though the aircraft just needs to be nosed in. All parts are being made in CHC and flown to WLG to be fitte
112 Nzrich : I believe its in the airworks hangar at the moment
113 767ER : Alan I did one of those fare AKL LAX AKL in Dec 1978 and i think it was $365 return - that was a faiir bit of money in those days and rang teh week b
114 777ER : I saw this on the news at work and the response from the HLZ mayor was just typical.....blame the airline. All HLZ needs is an Ejet sized aircraft fo
115 Koruman : I think you've just answered your own question! I flew AKL-OOL last Easter on one of the first NZ-operated services. the crew told me that on the ret
116 PA515 : The selling part perhaps, but Whenuapai does not need to be sold for commercial activity to take place. Until November 1965 it was a combined militar
117 Post contains links NZ107 : Interesting: Air National is getting a BAe 146-200 Bigger Plane For Air National A welcome sight to our skies! Can't wait to spot this at AKL.
118 Flyjetstar : Yeah that's true. I always try and compliment good service but like you I sometimes forget too. I know how much I appreciate it when sometime tells m
119 DJ738 : It has been in AKL since mid December. The 146-200 is ex Air Canada (Jazz / Regional) and was delivered new to them in 1989. It has been parked up si
120 EDICHC : Have not seen this posted any where else. A Piper Warrior ZK-EBW crashed yesterday afternoon at Birdlings Flat near Christchurch during a training fli
121 777ER : Will be nice to see another BAe146 flying around New Zealand's skys after several years of absence following NZs decision to retire its AN fleet Kiwi
122 777ER : Looks like Air Nationals picture of its new BAe146 on its web-site is registered ZK-ECS
123 Zkpilot : Yes it really is pretty lame that it can't be changed. I'm not saying let people change their username willy-nilly but surely you should be able to c
124 777ER : Noticed on WLGs web-site that tomorrow, NZ6726 is arriving from CHC at 8.45am and parking at gate 16 (air bridge gate). Anyone know what this flight i
125 NZ1 : Its an A320 positioning flight ex NZ726 MEL to CHC. NZ1
126 Rwy21 : I dont know if it would be used on that route or not, there used to be 2 Dash8 flights a day but it has only been one for quite a while. Last time I
127 Alangirvan : "Genuine charter needs" they say. So, perhaps it will lie around and do ad-hoc work. Wonder if this aircraft would carry football teams. Do Super 14 T
128 TG992 : When has this ever happened? Besides what is a BAE 146 going to offer that a 737 or AT7 can't. Also I'm sure NZ has some agreement to do everything i
129 Alangirvan : I know of British Soccer teams who got fined because their bus was late getting them to the ground. There was a sad day for some people in Canberra, w
130 ZK-NBT : B744 B-HOT operated the final B744 CX107108 sector on Sunday 1st FEB. The aircraft wasn't feeling so hot though as it had an engine problem and didn't
131 Alangirvan : Air NewZealand will be suspending DUD-SYD over the winter period. So, we will be down to just a weekly flight to Queensland, for people to get their w
132 Rwy21 : ..yeah the press release was almost word for word. Well there is still 2 flights to BNE for most of winter season, and MEL flights were always just t
133 Kiwiandrew : or maybe it is just a little bit silly for a country with a population of 4 million to try to operate 6 international airports
134 Post contains links 777ER : Trans-Tasman airfare war heats up Air New Zealand says it is war on trans-Tasman routes it considers to be a critical part of its business. "There is
135 777ER : IMHO the days of Regional airports (maybe with the exception of ZQN) in NZ having International services is coming to an end sooner rather then later
136 Rwy21 : There's only 5 after HLZ drops, leaving AKL, CHC, and WLG, with the 2 otago airports - DUD and ZQN the smaller int'l players
137 Post contains links NZ560 : Boycott call on Air NZ If another airline starts services I wonder how long it will be before NZ quickly starts them back up.
138 777ER : I think it was a mistake for NZ to stop SJ as SJ was NZs tool, just like JQ is for QF
139 Kiwiandrew : they want the service , but wont support it by actually buying sufficient seats at a sensible price to make it viable , then they cry foul when it is
140 NZ560 : Never say never. HIA could give a new airline a really really good deal for a couple of years. Only time will tell.
141 Jamie86 : LOL, seems as if the boycotting happened a few months ago when people started choosing flights ex AKL
142 Flyjetstar : I have heard that JQ are preparing to launch HLZ flights.
143 NZ107 : Good for those councillors.. If they were departing from HLZ, they have basically no other choice. Or if demand was that great out of Hamilton but no
144 NZ1 : Exactly. It's laughable that every town wants it's own international airport, with IVC even trying to join the club. We need to get real. NZ1
145 Mariner : Especially when every one of those international airports is south of the Auckland Harbour Bridge. With the opening of the new tunnels, Warkworth is
146 TG992 : OMG I've never agreed with so many airports, at it's peak we have AKL HLZ PMR WLG CHC DUD ZQN, with talk of TRG NPE and IVC. I mean IVC can only supp
147 Post contains links 777ER : Further to Alan's post before Poor demand forces cut in Dunedin-Sydney flights Air New Zealand has followed up on its suspension of trans-Tasman servi
148 Flyjetstar : I think that's it right there. For JQ 30 low yield is fine but NZ it simply isn't. And what is with the boycott? That is such a small minded parochia
149 YVR1968 : Oh no! Does this mean Dunedin residents will be asked to boycott Air NZ as well!
150 Alangirvan : At least our flights out of Dunedin are only suspended. But why are we so worked up about International gateways? It used to be that International mea
151 Koruman : This is the key issue. Even a $20 price rise from Freedom to Air NZ was enough to tip volume below a viable level, which really just shows that inter
152 NZ107 : That itself is in a different mindset anyway. The demand for travel in and out of Auckland is much greater than the likes of DUD, HLZ, IVC, PMR etc p
153 Post contains links Mariner : Apparently not - the Herald has come out in favour of dual use. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...cle.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10554635 I really ho
154 DavidByrne : I just don't get this. Is BAN suggesting that NZ has an obligation to Hamilton to operate Transtasman services at a loss? And what is the expected ou
155 Kiwiflyer791 : How's the job situation NZ1? I heard a rumour your position has been disestablished?
156 Mr Airnz : There is no way in hell JQ would have lower operating costs over Mt. Cook on a domestic sector. 3 Tonnes of fuel vs. 720kgs. The A320 may carry more
157 Nz99 : This does not surprise me, only just yesterday at Sydney i watched the Dunedin flight boarding and i only saw several people board, and then the 320
158 Alangirvan : Except that Virgin Blue has already started the strategy of putting jets into TP markets. When DJ started in Australia, one of the first routes they
159 Mariner : I think the greater problem is that the smaller centres rely almost exclusively on O&D. HLZ can't collect (air) traffic from many other places and if
160 Mr airnz : Internationally, yep absolutely, I agree. I was discussing frequency only in the domestic sense.
161 Zkpilot : Oh thats really MATURE of him !!! Pathetic more like it! If Hamilton was such a viable airport then how come other airlines aren't flying there?? tal
162 NZ107 : They might if the residents actually do boycott Air NZ
163 ZK-NBT : EK operated the first commercial scheduled B772LR service to AKL today as EK412 from DXB-SYD arrived 1350 with A6-EWE doing the honours. Nice looking
164 Aerokiwi : Yet there has been absolutely no talk of fixing the problem of accessing Auckland Airport beyond the Waterview connection. No rail links, no improved
165 NZ107 : I bet. Saw the AC 77L in Sydney and boy was that a beauty. I should try to get out to the airport to see it before the A380's here for the long run.
166 NZ1 : That's all it is, a rumour. Some people in Planning and other support areas have been dis-etablished, but no one has gone from the hangar floor. Yet
167 Mariner : I guess that's what I mean about the long-term infrastructure. It isn't just airlines. I understand the love of privatization that existed at the tim
168 NZ107 : With John Key against Whenuapai, it just adds to the against side.. Quite disappointing considering he's an economist. Maybe it's due to the effect i
169 Mariner : I guess we come at this from entirely different perspectives. To me, Mr. Key's attitude is encouraging, perhaps because he is an economist. Indeed it
170 NZ107 : My perspective comes from the view in which it'd most likely be beneficial to the economy by having an airport there.. But with that increased negati
171 Mariner : There's a clue. Why doesn't an MP for the area want something that some claim would be of economic and financial benefit to the area and the city? ma
172 YVR1968 : What is the plan for the Auckland airport domestic terminal? Are there any plans to expand it? I was surprised to learn there are only 6 jet bridges.
173 777ER : If they have any stupid/childish counsellors like HLZ does, then yes they will be HLZ really didn't have a chance when the price war from AKL started
174 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ, Chch Airport reach agreement Air New Zealand has withdrawn its application for a court hearing over Christchurch International Airport's plann
175 Post contains links NZ107 : The long term plan is to build a new terminal which will sit alongside the new runway to the north of the current one. You'll probably see the constr
176 YVR1968 : Nice thanks for the link. Yeah, the SYD one is excellent too. But with only 1 runway at AKL you get to "see it all." Speaking of runways, I read in t
177 Kiwiflyer791 : But your not on the Hangar floor. That's why you are in the firing line this time round. The overall boys had their go a couple of years ago, not to
178 NZ560 : Once the Northern runway gets build a new domestic terminal will be build next to it and then all domestic operations will move to the new area. Incl
179 Aerokiwi : He was never an economist. He traded currencies and then moved into finance, I believe. NZ has 9 domestic jet-gates? I thought 5 (28, 29, 30, 32, 33
180 NZ1 : Says who? I've moved around a fair bit over the last 12 months. The area I work in was not targeted for reduction, despite what you may think or clai
181 NZ107 : No probs. I guess so, but when I went to SYD last Thurs, I was more interested in the larger planes than the numerous DJ 73G/H, QF 734/H, Rex Saabs e
182 777ER : I was mostly going by AKLs web-site terminal map, which says gates 22-32 in DJ and NZs area. I know NZ has 5 gates up stairs and I've also seen some
183 SunriseValley : Is it a coincidence that the CEO of CHC Airport departed the scene in the last week or so??. I seem to remember communication problems were cited as
184 Flyjetstar : I suspect that comment is right on the money. The airport company has managed to upset many people in the last year or 18 months. Based on what I've
185 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Airport in talks to fill gulf left by Air NZ departure By James Ihaka Talks to fill the void about to be left by Air New Zealand at Hamilton Airport a
186 Kiwiandrew : HLZ a "hub" ? - dont you require spokes/feed in order to be a hub ?
187 HLZCPH : There are lots of local councillors up and down the country like this one...grandstanders....you get used to them after a while. One should remember
188 Axio : From the perspective of an (ex-)Palmerston North resident... A real problem is Air New Zealand feels comfortable branding itself as 'New Zealand's Air
189 HLZCPH : I'd be interested too, especially if it included a hanger tour as well!
190 NZ107 : Surely those living in WLG didn't use HLZ as a stopover destination! What a brilliant hub.. No baggage carousel, tiny room for check in and boarding,
191 HLZCPH : Actually there is a baggage carousel
192 Kiwiandrew : and therefore as "shareholders" they should be pleased that in tough times "their" company is taking tough measures to contain losses
193 TG992 : Are you serious?? Look at airlines such as BA. Do they fly from Leeds, Liverpool or Newcastle to thier International ports? no they route their traff
194 YVR1968 : Hamilton Airport is acting like they have been totally abandoned by Air NZ. Just looking at Air NZ's route map and schedules, there are 10 daily fligh
195 DavidByrne : Not only that, but along with PMR and NSN it is the only airport in NZ that has services that don't transit AKL, WLG or CHC - ie HLZ-PMR and HLZ-NSN.
196 Alangirvan : No, people in Leeds, Liverpool and Newcastle use Easyjet or Jet2 to fly anywhere. In fact, Jet2 got going with a large fleet of ex Ansett 737-300s. M
197 Kiwiandrew : yes , but even Leeds , Liverpool and Newcastle have catchment areas with much greater populations than DUD/HLZ/PMR ( or for that matter WLG or CHC )
198 Mariner : If the catchment area for HLZ/Tasman extends to, say, Taupo, Rotorua and Tauranga/Bay of Plenty, that's a late arrival for people who are driving to/
199 Axio : That assumes the company losses are greater than the economic losses suffered through their actions. Unfortunately calculating the economic losses is
200 YVR1968 : Honoured to get the 200th reply to this thread. Now let's see if I can take advantage of these steal deals to CHC in June!
201 NZ107 : Now that medium/long term parking prices have been reduced by many 3rd party companies starting operations and shuttles to their parking lots a coupl
202 Mariner : I agree. I live just north of Whangarei, but I doubt I would use WRE to connect to a flight at AKL. WRE is unreliable (weather), the tiny terminal ca
203 DavidByrne : This is exactly what they DID get with SJ!
204 MillwallSean : This rugby world cup is just to much. Lets be honest there are a few Polynesian islands plus Australia, the white saffas and a few British and French
205 Kiwiandrew : absolutely ! Provincial towns in New Zealand are well connected to the main gateways , far better than similar sized towns in most other countries ,
206 NZ107 : Have a look at what you have written. We may not need to build new infrastructure to accommodate people for the RWC in your opinion but if you've liv
207 REALDEAL : no you need to realise that many Australians want to go to places like Queenstown & because of recession & fact that many are time poor, average stay
208 Zkpilot : I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion as the RWC is the 3rd largest sporting event in the world after FWC and Olympics. Sure there are only li
209 Kiwiandrew : where did I say that ZQN shouldnt have international services ? unlike DUD/PMR/HLZ it has an inbound market and services are thriving as far as I am
210 REALDEAL : You don't understand charter flights ie. how they can work where scheduled can't. You also need to fly to OZ & go & watch how Tiger operate. Staff mu
211 Kiwiandrew : if Tiger can make money flying OOL-HLZ or SYD-DUD or BNE-MEL or any other route they care to operate in/out/throughout New Zealand they will get abso
212 REALDEAL : Tiger don't have rights to fly Tasman but I think NZ govt would be really stupid to not allow them. NZ last time I checked were still charging a huge
213 DavidByrne : I think the heat that this issue has generated is quite interesting - both the heat from the Hamilton community, and also the heat from our own armch
214 Kiwiandrew : a widespread belief , which does not necessarily make it correct , my understanding is that while they were branded SJ the aircraft were operated by
215 Post contains images Kiwiandrew :    welcome to my RU list - the most concise and sensible post yet on this subject - I just wish I had written it    hmmph , well you will be adde
216 Mariner : Agreed. I'm a free marketeer and if someone can make the routes work, good on 'em. Equally if they - or Air New Zealand - can't make the routes work
217 NZ107 : Try running some prank bookings through the NZ website. I can't remember when but later this year the flight numbers of the A320 for TT services will
218 Kiwiandrew : thanks , that worked
219 Mr Airnz : Ummm.... Pilot's were on a little less at the end, but not by much. The same F/A's crewed SJ and NZ flights for what...2-3 years. The ground staff us
220 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #48 is here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4306211/
221 REALDEAL : lets face it SJ was set up to stuff up Kiwi Int., which was basically a ULCC charter operation. It succeeded but in the process, SJ realised it could
222 Zkpilot : Mate you're dreaming.... A$1 = NZ$1.20 at the moment... pretty much the worst (or best based on your point of view) it will be is maybe A$1 = NZ$1.30
223 REALDEAL : love stirring the pot & sticking up kiwis !!! Currently it's at $1.25 I believe. In mid 80's it went to $1.37 I believe (it may have ben in 1984). Fr
224 Post contains links REALDEAL : http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...02596-1702,00.html?from=public_rss Kiwis 'to flock home for the dole' at least load factors on inbound flights
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