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Aerolineas Argentinas Buys 12 B737-700  
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/42...rpora-doce-nuevos-aviones-su-flota

According to this article (spanish only), AR is in the process of purchasing, or has purchased (only specifies that two have been already purchased) 12 B737-700 to cover mostly regional destinatios as well as some domestic routes. Of the 12, 2 of them are brand new, while the rest are between 2 and 9 years old.
The article also says that 150 new pilots will be hired.

Apparently (I'll believe it when I'll see it), we finally have some good news from AR


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

Hmmm - who is getting rid of 73Gs that old?

Easyjet? AirTran?

Did Aloha have any?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Are the purchases for replacing the older aircraft or for opening new routes and/or frequencies?


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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9540 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 2):
Are the purchases for replacing the older aircraft or for opening new routes and/or frequencies?

From what the article says (and I wouldn't bet too much on them getting it right), the new route listed would be PTY, and for the others they would add new frequencies or reinforce existing ones



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User currently onlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

I thought Marsans had ordered a load of A32X to help re-equip AR?

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9473 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 4):
I thought Marsans had ordered a load of A32X to help re-equip AR?

AR was nationalised last summer, i don't know what happened with the Marsans ordered planes but i'm quite sure they don't go to AR anymore.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9433 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 4):
I thought Marsans had ordered a load of A32X to help re-equip AR?

Hi Mike,
Marsans is no longer the owner of AR or AU. The Argentinian Govt' is again the only owner.

And the A320's ... well, two of them actually made it down here in full AR colors but stayed on the ground for months and have now been returned without having had a single AR flight. The third A320 was on delivery flight when they found drugs on it in MEX (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong!). Marsans had also promised 12 A330's, of which 10 were supposed to go to AR .. but that's over now

rgds



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7473 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

B737-700

28499 N738AL ST 2008-2008 VARIG PR-VBY 2008
28500 N739AL ST 2008-2008 VARIG PR-VBZ 2008
28640 N740AL ST 2008-2008 Arik Air 5N-MJI 2008 GECAS
28641 N741AL ST 2008-2008 2008- GECAS
28654 N743AL RTL GECAS 2005
29904 N745AL RTL GECAS 2005
29905 N746AL ST 2008-2008 VARIG PR-VBZ 2008 GECAS
30050 N748AL ST 2008-2008 VARIG PR-VBV 2008 GECAS
30674 N751AL RTL ILFC 2008 Sun Country 2008
30830 N742AL ST 2008-2008 RTL GECAS 2008 Arik Air 2008 5N-MJK
32582 N744AL ST 2005-2006 RTL GECAS 2005
32738 N749AL ST 2005-2005 RTL GECAS 2005
32743 N750AL ST 2005-2005 RTL GECAS 2005

B737-800

34169 PH-HZO RTL Transavia 2008

Apart from N741AL all Aloha aircraft seem to be spoken for, 741 is/was stored at Southend. (source Airfleets).


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9270 times:
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A great replacement to the long duty 737-200 in the AR fleet.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

here is another article where it specifies that AR is buying the 2 new ones and leasing the remaining 10. It also says that the first one should be arriving in April, and the rest would arrive at a rate of one per month

http://www.criticadigital.com/impresa/index.php?secc=nota&nid=18921

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
A great replacement to the long duty 737-200 in the AR fleet.

They will be missed!
if I'm not mistaken, 2009 will be the last year they'll be flying  Sad



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9179 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 6):
And the A320's ... well, two of them actually made it down here in full AR colors but stayed on the ground for months and have now been returned without having had a single AR flight. The third A320 was on delivery flight when they found drugs on it in MEX (I think, someone correct me if I'm wrong!). Marsans had also promised 12 A330's, of which 10 were supposed to go to AR .. but that's over now

Some of them are going to air comet but I can't see them taking the full 12 and don't even get me started on the un-firmed GM order for a whole pick and mix of Airbii including A380s!


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Will BOG get a direct connection or are the new planes not capable of the distance? (so keeping the stop-over at LIM)?

And CCS with increased frequency, above the A343 (4 weekly), are they going daily? Is this one politically motivated after the two presidents Fernandez & Chavez signed a dozen of agreements yesterday http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...aAPOMkfPKsIsoPSE3gqAx-7KgD95SF4A85



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9168 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
Some of them are going to air comet but I can't see them taking the full 12 and don't even get me started on the un-firmed GM order for a whole pick and mix of Airbii including A380s!

A few brand new 330's are flying already. Only Marsans knows what their doing (do they really?)



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9027 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 11):
Will BOG get a direct connection or are the new planes not capable of the distance? (so keeping the stop-over at LIM)?

And CCS with increased frequency, above the A343 (4 weekly), are they going daily? Is this one politically motivated after the two presidents Fernandez & Chavez signed a dozen of agreements yesterday http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...F4A85

The 737s could easily make the flight from EZE to BOG (or any other point in South America, for that matter). COPA operates 737-800s from PTY to EZE and 737-700s from PTY to GIG - both of which are 7 hours+ block time. I guess if we ever wanted to know what a 737NG was capable of - there is COPA.

It would be cool to see Aerolineas Argentinas do some long-haul South American 737 flying with their new aircraft - connect more cities non-stop. Argentina is a prosperous country with strong industry, financial and agricultural sectors, and tourism, and so it has long puzzled me why their national airline has had such a hard time surviving.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 12):


Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):
Some of them are going to air comet but I can't see them taking the full 12 and don't even get me started on the un-firmed GM order for a whole pick and mix of Airbii including A380s!

A few brand new 330's are flying already. Only Marsans knows what their doing (do they really?)

If I am confused what Emirates intends to do with all of the aircraft they have on order, I am beyond dumbfounded for what Marsans could possibly hope to do with their large order on the books with Airbus, especially in this market.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9019 times:
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Quoting Severnaya (Reply 2):
Are the purchases for replacing the older aircraft or for opening new routes and/or frequencies?

I believe they also will use the 73G to replace the 735 on routes like LIM, GIG and GRU. They may create new routes to Brazil (CNF, SSA, REC for example) as i heard rumors about possible new destinations in Brazil in the near future.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8980 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
I believe they also will use the 73G to replace the 735 on routes like LIM, GIG and GRU. They may create new routes to Brazil (CNF, SSA, REC for example) as i heard rumors about possible new destinations in Brazil in the near future.

Could be a possibility. I hadn't heard that but it would make sense once a proper fleet with funcioning aircraft is established and solid.

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 11):
Will BOG get a direct connection or are the new planes not capable of the distance? (so keeping the stop-over at LIM)?

As Flydrealiner saidm, they are perfectly capable, and Copa is the example  Smile

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 11):
And CCS with increased frequency, above the A343 (4 weekly), are they going daily? Is this one politically motivated after the two presidents Fernandez & Chavez signed a dozen of agreements yesterday

CCS might be an interesting case ....

http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/42...-unir%EDa-Buenos-Aires-y-Teher%E1n

This came up today, in short stating Israel was concerened about the rumour that there could be a strange EZE-CCS-THR route operated by AR

However, a few hours later, Ricardo Jaime, sec. of transportastion said that the report is false and that they had no such intentions
http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/42...neas-vaya-volar-la-capital-iran%ED

But many times rumours have some kind of truth in them.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8960 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 15):
Could be a possibility. I hadn't heard that but it would make sense once a proper fleet with funcioning aircraft is established and solid.

Agree, and if they keep some 735 now in use, would allow AR to expand a little.



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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8913 times:
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Congrats to AR. Is their any chance of seeing 777'S or 767-300ER'S in their fleet in the future to bolster longhaul services?

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8713 times:



Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 17):
Is their any chance of seeing 777'S or 767-300ER'S in their fleet in the future to bolster longhaul services?

I honestly haven't heard anything, and it's a mistery to me what the idea is fdor long haul. Under marsans, AR was supposed to get A330's and even 2 A380's (although no one really believed that). Now who knows? Stick with Boeing or with Airbus? 330's, more 340's, keep the 744's or get 777's, 767's ...
maybe some of the members that know much more about this than I do have heard something?



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User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 422 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8378 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 10):

Some of them are going to air comet but I can't see them taking the full 12 and don't even get me started on the un-firmed GM order for a whole pick and mix of Airbii including A380s!

OK - lets see here... THAT Marsans order...

It is still on the books although the crooks in charge of Marsans have been trying to get rid of it as fast as they possibly can. Their latest antic has been to go to the Argentina government and basically propose that they will not sue Argentina @ the ICSID - International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes if Argentina assumes the order. Of course, they went back to Madrid with the proposal back in their briefcases. And they know they have no case - their looting of AR does not take a legal genius to prove. For once, Argentina did the right thing. Bye Bye Marsans and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. And, btw, here is $1 (ONE) ARS peso as symbolic payment for the (dis)services rendered!

Marsans has ZERO need for those A320s and A380s, and A350s, etc. as long as they operate an airline as dysfunctional as Air Comet or lack a coherent business plan. Lets see who ends up with them!



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User currently offlinePlairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7913 times:

DCAjet, sorry but you are wrong, Air Comet is doing well and they do have a business plan. They also need the 330 and 350 for replacment of the old 310 and some old 340.

User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 422 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7697 times:



Quoting Plairbus (Reply 20):
DCAjet, sorry but you are wrong, Air Comet is doing well and they do have a business plan. They also need the 330 and 350 for replacment of the old 310 and some old 340.

Really? They do have one? If so, I'd love to see it.

I suppose what they do in South America is called a business plan? Lets see, today we fly to SCL, but then tomorrow we don't and we fly to LIM instead. Then we will do BOG, but oops, we like CLO better, so there we go.

And how about setting up an airline in Chile (Air Comet Chile, nee Aerolineas del Sur using resources from another airline (AR) - that were never paid for. and when Marsans get kicked out of Argentina, they close the Chile adventure in a flash, leaving hundreds of people jobless when the scheme gets exposed? Is that a business plan? I suppose you can call that one... for looting!

The next Air Madrid, if you ask me!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7305 times:

From Jan.28 Aerolineas Argentinas also resume its flights to Mexico City with an MD88 via VVI and CCS.

Also during this week Aerolineas Argentinas sign an agreement with Venezuelan State carrier Conviasa to starta codeshare service between Buenos Aires and Caracas and offer more destinations in Venezuela and the Caribbean. The announcement was made by Argentinian socialist diputate Ariel Basteiro during the travel of Cristina Fernandez to Cuba.

Saludos,


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Wow! MD88 to MEX? Painful, who wants to travel for 12hrs+ on such a plane??? I guess the fares would be extra super cheap. I guess no business people would opt for such a routing on an uncomfortable MD88...that is crazy. How would AR want to compete to MEX operating like that...is that a joke?

User currently offlineWarren84 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6598 times:



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 22):
From Jan.28 Aerolineas Argentinas also resume its flights to Mexico City with an MD88 via VVI and CCS.



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 23):
Wow! MD88 to MEX? Painful, who wants to travel for 12hrs+ on such a plane??? I guess the fares would be extra super cheap. I guess no business people would opt for such a routing on an uncomfortable MD88...that is crazy. How would AR want to compete to MEX operating like that...is that a joke?

Is this just part of the big South American socialist love-in? They might as well add in a Havana leg while they're at it  mischievous 



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25 Viscount724 : I can't believe AR is starting a new route like that in just 4 days when schedules are not yet in systems, and there is no reference to it in the AR
26 PZ : A MD88 to MEX?? That should be wrong... That would be a torture!
27 LVTMB : So, is this to compete with Mexicana's non-stop B767 MEX-EZE service? Hmmmm. That will be hard! Incidently, what does Aeromexico fly down to EZE? Is
28 RobK : The 2 new built 737-700s could possibly be with them as early as March. I'm only guessing but there just so happens to be 2 of the type on the product
29 Adriaticus : AR B737NGs to MEX...? AR wil be a very welcome sight at MEX!! However, this flight will either have to stop in LIM, PTY, CCS or BOG (in that order of
30 RJ_Delta : It's not a joke. It was announced today. Logical? Of Course not. I think that all is politics. MD11junkie has more info about this and the new B73G f
31 Adriaticus : Also, the two sources cited in the links above, cite two different lease amounts... One (Infobae) says each airplane lease will cost US$240K per month
32 EZEIZA : Wow .. that I have not heard of, and it would be .. let's say not the smartest move .. and all that with the only MD they have? I think they have the
33 RJ_Delta : AM has plans to increase EZE services until five weekly flights. They are adding more B763 into its fleet to upgrade its longhaul product specially t
34 Argentina : AR is definitely NOT restarting MEX via VVI and CCS. Probably you have heard of a Ferry Flight of an MD88 ex AEROMEXICO, going for AUSTRAL, which exa
35 DCAjet : I think it is a rumor, heard on Galley FM. I checked with my buddy at the AAA - AR's FA union and there are no crews scheduled for any flight to MEX.
36 Abrelosojos : = Was this even up for debate? I thought PVG was pretty much getting a temporary axe as it has been performing extremely poorly. AM's usually conserv
37 SOUTHAMERICA : I was wondering the same thing. Continental flies BOG-EWR on the 73Gs without a problem, but those extra 500 miles on BOG-EZE might take a toll on th
38 EZEIZA : Now that makes more sense This AU plane, is it coming like the -BTI, in full Amex colours?
39 Post contains links TANS : That's exactly where I thought they would come from when I read the thread title! So these are the future AR birds: http://www.planes.cz/cs/photo/104
40 Argentina : Thanks TANS, is SkyEurope replacing the fleet, or reducing it? MSN of the planes that AR is receiving are as follows: 32674 - 32676 - 32680 - 32695 -
41 Flydreamliner : It strikes me that while these new 737s will certainly help AR bolster its route portfolio on the continent (and by all means, that is very important
42 TANS : I am sorry to say that their giving up of these planes wasn’t completely voluntary. They did plan to return two of them to GECAS at the end of 2008
43 PRAirbus : Too bad to hear AR is still sort of operating under a "hit or miss" strategy. Definitely they are taking a back seat compared to the big Latin players
44 DCAjet : Hey PR - If you think that AR's problems are only because of the unions, you need to inform yourself a bit better. Not flying those A320s was the rig
45 PRAirbus : I never said the pilots, mechanics or employees were not capable of performing a fine job. I referred to the government agency entitlement mentality t
46 DCAjet : And how do you propose to move forward with the mess left behind by Iberia and then Marsans? WIth 2/3 of the fleet grounded for lack of maintenance?
47 MD11junkie : Everyone calm down. This was my mistake. It was only an AU ferry to MEX. I informed incorrectly RJ_Delta and take the heat for it. Let the cargo bays
48 Vhqpa : Can anyone shed some light on the Aerolineas/Austral thing. Do they share some routes?, Is one aimed at more at Business travellers and the other for
49 RJ_Delta : Austral still operates only domestic destination in Argentina in addition of AR service. The operations still the same as the last years. However Aer
50 Arcano : Has Aerolineas announced any livery change?
51 RJ_Delta : Not officially but in the near future they will introduce a modification of its current livery. In short term AR plans to upgrade the IFE system in t
52 Arcano : Interesting, but have them solved the movie rights issues or they are planning just games and Argentine movies?
53 MD11junkie : That problem ended when the Marsans management was kicked out the door. They keep 2 members of the board, but they are useless... lol...
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