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Irish 3/09: United In The Aer  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15958 times:

Good evening folks, TGIF and all that ...

Well, it's been an interesting week; only two weeks ago, we were talking about new EI routes from LGW and now we have this new UAL project. Interesting times in the Aer ...

FR has given up its plan to take over EI, but for how long? Would anyone seriously bet against another attempt next year, or beyond?

Apart from the excitement about EI and its plans (not shared, it has to be said, by United's pilots's unions), there's a pretty thick layer of cloud over Irish aviation, with inbound traffic from the US and the UK down significantly.

Next month sees the arrival of EI's new A330-300, EI-EAV, MSN 985; No. 979 was delivered today (to Air Comet, of Madrid), so at least EI's fleet is being updated. We'll be seeing the end of EI-CRK fairly soon and EI-EWR after that; the other three A332s are, as we saw in the discussion about EI's t/a plans, being earmarked for use on t/a routes from IAD. Brave new world, so let's hope this new project works.

So, let's see what the next week brings. For all the gloom and doom, 2009 hasn't got off to a bad start. Let's hope there's some good news out there ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15947 times:

Nice title Kaitak !! Interesting times indeed. I do think the unions on both sides are in for a bumby ride though. Time will tell.

Came across this on the Net. I remember those BT phonecards well. I used them all the time. Dont remember this one though ::



User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2146 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15901 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
FR has given up its plan to take over EI, but for how long? Would anyone seriously bet against another attempt next year, or beyond

Does anyone else think FR may want revenge on EI for basically wasting their time if they have given up on the takeover or is it just me?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Dont remember this one though ::

If only that was real  Cool


User currently offlineBOstonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15873 times:



Quoting EICVD (Reply 2):
Does anyone else think FR may want revenge on EI for basically wasting their time if they have given up on the takeover or is it just me?

I think it's the other way around, and that FR was wasting EI's time!

So I've heard that DUB-LAX might come back, once the economy brightens.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15870 times:

Bmi fights back in spat with Aer Lingus

The gloves came off today in the row between bmi and Aer Lingus over market share on the lucrative Belfast to London Heathrow air corridor.

Bmi’s managing director Peter Spencer told Business Telegraph that Aer Lingus’ claim to have gained a 40% share of passengers from Belfast to Heathrow was “inaccurate”.

He said: “The statistics that they have given out, I’m not sure which day of the week or which day of the month or which month Aer Lingus is referring to, but I know how many passengers I carry and I know how many they carry and my mathematics is that we have a 66% market share.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...spat-with-aer-lingus-14146103.html


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 745 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15835 times:

Fun times indeed, what a time for my internet to have a meltdown!

I think the whole EI / UA tie-up is a genuinely good thing, more so for EI than UA due to their relative size. My biggest concern comes from feed at the MAD end. As it stands its pretty much MAD-IAD-USA and USA-IAD-MAD, I honestly think there needs to be some feed into this from the European end (and EI from DUB obviously doesnt count since there's already DUB-IAD). I know JK are meant to be in bits but surely they are better than no one!

Quoting BOstonsox (Reply 3):
Quoting EICVD (Reply 2):
Does anyone else think FR may want revenge on EI for basically wasting their time if they have given up on the takeover or is it just me?

I think it's the other way around, and that FR was wasting EI's time

Have to agree with BOStonsox on this one. I would be half tempted to say this was all a PR thing for FR and while getting their hands on EI would have been a major coup for EI, I cant see them losing too much sleep over it.


BTW, did I miss the announcement of who the 2 new eastbound routes were? Or is this still in the lap of the gods?



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15834 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Bmi fights back in spat with Aer Lingus

Aer Lingus need to keep the pressure on if they really want to provide a better alternative for flights to Heathrow, the relaunch of Gold Circle would be a start.

Unfortunately early indications are that MUC and MXP are performing badly, I think it would be a huge shame if these routes fail because Aer Lingus decided to offer something new but if all people want is the likes of Malaga and Lanzarote who can blame EI for not offering anything new in the future.


User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2146 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15810 times:



Quoting EIRules (Reply 5):
BTW, did I miss the announcement of who the 2 new eastbound routes were? Or is this still in the lap of the gods?

You didnt miss a thing. IMO I think they were only rumours..


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15790 times:



Quoting EICVD (Reply 2):
If only that was real Cool

LOL... I think the phonecard must have been digitally changed. Also the phonecard is un used as there would be a few black marks on the right hand side if it was. My Dad used to be manager for a part of London for BT so we knew alot about these things and my Uncle actually worked for a company that designed these cards. I have seen some interesting airline ones. Alot were just designs that never got past proto type. I remember seeing some cool BA ones though.. Some airlines used to buy them as corporate gifts.


User currently offlineJFKMan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15751 times:

FR will be trying again within the year. It just shows how sad and pathetic FR is...


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15738 times:

Great title Kaitak.

Quoting BOstonsox (Reply 3):
So I've heard that DUB-LAX might come back, once the economy brightens

Would love to have that service back. Want to see the EI A330s once again here in LAX.

Quoting JFKMan (Reply 9):
FR will be trying again within the year. It just shows how sad and pathetic FR is...

Wonder where Pe@rson is  Wink



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User currently offlineCelticMech From Ireland, joined Oct 2008, 216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15686 times:

I have heard that EI-EAV will not be delivered on time to EI. I hear there is a problem with the paint job on it...believed to be peeling. It will have to be stripped down, re-primed then painted. Will try get more info on the situation as it developes

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15676 times:



Quoting CelticMech (Reply 11):
I hear there is a problem with the paint job on it...believed to be peeling. It will have to be stripped down, re-primed then painted. Will try get more info on the situation as it developes

Maybe they went for the same crowd as UA  Wink  Big grin Its certainly a blow. How long would a delay be ? Weeks ?


User currently offlineCelticMech From Ireland, joined Oct 2008, 216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15663 times:

No info at present. Im guessing a week anyway

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15635 times:



Quoting CelticMech (Reply 13):
No info at present. Im guessing a week anyway

Oh ok not a major deal then. Unless your an Irish Anutter who has booked on your advice LOL


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15577 times:



Quoting CelticMech (Reply 11):
I have heard that EI-EAV will not be delivered on time to EI. I hear there is a problem with the paint job on it...believed to be peeling. It will have to be stripped down, re-primed then painted.

Whose fault is this that the paint is peeling?



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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15488 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Wonder where Pe@rson is

Pe@rson is here and Pe@rson thinks FR have more important things to do than seek EI.



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15476 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
How long would a delay be ?

it takes around 4 days (24hr shifts) to do a paint job on a 772 so maybe just double that for a strip + paint job and we get about week maybe for a 333.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 5):
Fun times indeed, what a time for my internet to have a meltdown!

Interesting... mine also melted down for a good 24hrs. Eircom didn't know what was going on.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15448 times:



Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 17):
Eircom didn't know what was going on.

No change there then Big grin

Sale of Aer Lingus would not be in national interest

Ireland would be cut off from the rest of Europe if Ryanair was allowed to take over its rival, writes Garret Fitzgerald

HAPPILY, THE Government has turned down Ryanair’s bid to acquire Aer Lingus. It has done so on two grounds: because that bid undervalued its rival Irish airline and also on competition grounds.

It is notable, however, that the Minister for Finance did not exclude the acquisition of Aer Lingus by a foreign airline. Given the State’s financial situation, there remains a danger that the Government might later be tempted to secure a few hundred extra million euro in that way. It is therefore important that the arguments against such a course of action be presented.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...inion/2009/0124/1232474678269.html


User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15424 times:

Another 2 FR 738's due at DUB this afternoon:

EI-DYZ due at 13.12 as FR800Z
EI-EBA due at 13.32 as FR800A

That will make it 6 in a week!



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User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15414 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
now we have this new UAL project. Interesting times in the Aer ...

I'll cry if EI join Star Alliance... I'm sure BMI wouldn't be a big fan of it either!

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
FR has given up its plan to take over EI, but for how long? Would anyone seriously bet against another attempt next year, or beyond?

Yeah, I reckon they would try again. All they really need to do is make an offer that includes the value of the Heathrow slots, the value of the EI cash pile, plus a bunch more for the fleet etc. If the offer is right, people would basically sell and let it happen... this year and next will probably be the best times while the world economy remains in the pile of poo.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Ireland would be cut off from the rest of Europe if Ryanair was allowed to take over its rival, writes Garret Fitzgerald

Garret Fitzgerald is a nut bar  Smile What an unbelievably narrow thought - "cut off from the rest of Europe" because of an airline takeover. What piss! If FR owned EI and jacked up all the fares, RE would step into the breach and expand as a low fares airline quicker than it's taken me to type this  Smile



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15382 times:



Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 19):
That will make it 6 in a week!

LOL... I hear quickpark.ie are doing good parking deals .

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 20):
I'll cry if EI join Star Alliance

I will cry but in happiness lol... For me it would be great to get points on my EI European sectors. It would cover all routes that I take.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 20):
RE would step into the breach and expand as a low fares airline quicker than it's taken me to type this

Hmm thats if RE are around by then .


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15374 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Whose fault is this that the paint is peeling?

Presumably the airbus paintshop! But in all seriousness it could be the paint supplier having made a "bad batch" of paint, perhaps the aircraft was not prepared properly or the equipment might have been contaminated somehow. It must be a really poor job if the aircraft is peeling after a few weeks and only a couple of hours flight-time.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 17):
it takes around 4 days (24hr shifts) to do a paint job on a 772 so maybe just double that for a strip + paint job and we get about week maybe for a 333.

The other issue might be slots in the paintshop. I'd imagine that the utilisation of the airbus paintshop is pretty high.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 20):
I'll cry if EI join Star Alliance... I'm sure BMI wouldn't be a big fan of it either!

I'd cry with joy! I think you are right about BD not being too happy, but on the other hand they only compete on two routes and by co-operating on the LHR routes they might do better. The thing is though, that LHR is the "traditional" point for people to transfer to larger global networks, when you say places like FRA, ZRH or even AMS people look at you like you're a couple of sarnies short of a picnic. *A can not match the BA network at LHR, unless VS and BD come together. *A might not be attractive to EI until that happens and competition comission might not be too happy about it either.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 20):
Garret Fitzgerald is a nut bar   What an unbelievably narrow thought - "cut off from the rest of Europe" because of an airline takeover. What piss! If FR owned EI and jacked up all the fares, RE would step into the breach and expand as a low fares airline quicker than it's taken me to type this  

Cut off is probably too strong a word but we have grown used to using airports like bus stations. Less airlines means less competition and that is not good for anyone, regardless of what MOL, or anyone else, says. This was an attempt to buy EI with it's own money, use the brand for long-haul lo-co and use whatever was left to finance the aircraft they are taking from Boeing at an alarming rate with no-where to fly.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15369 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 22):
Cut off is probably too strong a word but we have grown used to using airports like bus stations. Less airlines means less competition and that is not good for anyone, regardless of what MOL, or anyone else, says. This was an attempt to buy EI with it's own money, use the brand for long-haul lo-co and use whatever was left to finance the aircraft they are taking from Boeing at an alarming rate with no-where to fly.

Possibly.

However, coming from Australia, I see the success of the Qantas/Jetstar model. I believe Aer Lingus/Ryanair would be exactly like that if they were one single company. Ryanair to be the bus around Europe for low low price and to crappy airports (tin shed and a check in desk), while Aer Lingus will service the major capital airports and be the long haul player.

I just can't really see anything wrong with it at all, to be perfectly honest...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15353 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 22):
*A might not be attractive to EI until that happens and competition comission might not be too happy about it either.

The thing is that EI serve alot of Star Alliance member hubs . So it would be good for EI .
As pointed out to me by EIRULES the following are all markets EI could benefit from .

FRA = LH
MUC = LH

WAW= LO
ZRH = LX

LHR = Major STAR hub

VIE = OS

LIS = TP

IAD = UA
ORD = UA

EI would be well placed to join as a Regional Star member.


25 Post contains links Irish251 : The aircraft was painted at Chateauroux - remember this photo? http://www.myaviation.net/search/pho..._search.php?id=01506014&size=large
26 BrianDromey : I wasn't sure if they painted them on-site at TLS or not, like Boeing does with most of its aircraft. Paint-shop availability could still be a proble
27 F1eddie : A LA AVV.
28 EICVD : Im part of the minority that agrees with you.
29 Shamrock604 : Technically, I agree also. The idea sounds great in theory. It's just that when the CEO happens to MOL, and the bullshit is thicker than toffee, you
30 Post contains links Kaitak : But is there room for this in an economy going downhill? The year-on-year figures are already down 10-12% and I can see them going down further. It's
31 BrianDromey : Now more than ever we need two airlines keeping each-other honest. Im am fundamentally opposed to any FR involvement in EI what so ever as they are d
32 Post contains links Rojam : FYI, updated GEarth satellite images of SNN show an EI A330 mid-takeoff or mid-landing - here it is in GMaps.
33 AmricanShamrok : Thats interesting...there appears to be an American Airlines 767 and an Aer Lingus A320 parked at the terminal too - those were the days. Also it loo
34 B747forever : Hehe, but unfortunately FR will try to take over EI sooner or later Really impressing. 6 new 738s in a week!!
35 EICVD : Looks like there is 2 757s there aswell, the 1 at the end of the terminal looks like a -300 (a TZ aircraft?) the other 1 must be a CO -200.
36 ClassicLover : Totally, AVV is a hole! Avalon (Melbourne) in Ryanair parlance This is the thing. I would wager good money that if Ryanair did not have MOL at its he
37 Shamrock350 : Maybe WW leaving will encourage EI to go daily for the summer on ORK-BHX.
38 AmricanShamrok : I'd say it could be US Airways, they're usually put at Gate 14.
39 JFKMan : Is FR just so againt competition?
40 OA260 : I very much doubt it . FR will probably have to totally re think its Irish operations if the current climate persists. Ireland could be an Iceland in
41 B747forever : But if that is how you say it is, what will happen with EI? I am sure they will be more affected than FR.
42 Post contains links OA260 : They would be hurt also but I think FR would be most hit. When people stop going on stag weekends to European cities and stay at home instead and peo
43 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Thomas Cook are also running loads of adverts at the moment, with the exact same theme about peoples money being safe with them. http://uk.youtube.co
44 EICVD : Exactly, if MOL was not in charge of FR alot more people (in general & here on a.net) would be in favour of the takeover IMO. Could well be a US a/c,
45 BrianDromey : I've just seen the new QF A380 ad for the first time on TV. It is brilliant and displays their product brilliantly. I wish EI would do something like
46 Post contains links and images OA260 : Who on earth would want to do that LOL...   I saw that tonight. I have seen it before also but it makes me want to go on it . Their Prem Y looks rea
47 Shamrock321 : Confirmed that Servisair will handle Etihad from the end of March! Itll be there only A330 flight I hope they do a better job than when they handled t
48 EICVD : Ah now, if it wasnt for the mighty gunners I would have no interest in ever going to London
49 N272WA : Aer Lingus have Dublin - Chicago return for 248.61 euros, all in. Travel 1 - 31 March. Excellent fare indeed.
50 OA260 : Its all good revenue for Aer Lin.... Errr I mean BMI lol....
51 EICVD : Exactly, going with BD again in march. Might aswell join the BMI diamond club or whatever its called
52 Smokeyrosco : I said that back in December. Thats a big big if.
53 Post contains links OA260 : Are you Blue Plus yet? Well for me its scary . I have never lived in Ireland when times were bad . I really am not up beat . Everyday I hear somethin
54 B747forever : True. I see what you mean now " target=_blank>http://media.thomson.co.uk/asset/v00...1.asx Interesting ad. Great fare. Really good for a short stay t
55 Smokeyrosco : Yes I understand all that, and I'm seeing some of that, I see some sectors being hit and others that are not. From dealing with out customers from all
56 BrianDromey : I dont think consumers in Ireland hasve been as badly hit as elsewhere. for many, many years there was a deep suspicion and wariness about credit car
57 Post contains links OA260 : From a travel point of view personally it wont affect me that much. Unless the worst case scenario and I loose my job and cant get another one and ha
58 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : " target=_blank>http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...90114 Except BIFFO never said it, http://www.rte.ie/business/2009/0114/economy.html
59 OA260 : Well I guess time will tell. I dont trust most politicians although Mr Cowan is not the worst. He is like a Gordon Brown. Supposed to be good for an
60 BrianDromey : Im just looking at the super BA fares to the US at the minute and Im just wondering if anyone has credited BA flights to the EI gold circle program? I
61 Shamrock604 : OA, you said it very well yourself when you said that you never lived in Ireland during bad times. Therefore, I think you just got a crash course in
62 EIRules : At the possibility of being lambasted, I think some of this economic doom and gloom is just scaremongering and is going to frighten us into a worse re
63 Shamrock604 : Here, Here!! well said! The only point I would argue with is that we are just as responsible for restoring confidence too, it is not something that j
64 COEI2007 : I was surprised to hear of EI's MAD plans. I think its good to see them think outside the box, but things need to be clarified to there staff urgently
65 BrianDromey : Im not sure I agree completely with you. While agree that this wont get better without people spending money, the recession itself was brought about
66 Post contains links OA260 : I think its different in various parts of the country. Whilst it may not be seen so much in Dublin other parts of the country are totally different.
67 Shamrock604 : Hi Brian, Allow me to clarify a little. I especially agree with your last point that we need to be more value conscious. That is all well and good, a
68 Shamrock604 : I agree OA, about different parts of the country having differing experiences. But the Cross Border issue has been caused by the weakness of sterling
69 OA260 : LOL... I still prefer NYC . Besides you cant do a trip report to Newry.
70 Kaitak : When can we get back to talkin' 'bout airplanes! I do agree with some of the sentiments expressed, but I guess I tend to look at economics from the pe
71 Shamrock604 : Ha ha.. unless you count the Enterprise Express with its exploding locomotives, or the pleasurable drive up the M1 Motorway as worthy of a trip repor
72 OA260 : Arr the joys lol.... Last week I meant to ask this question about RE. One of their A/C flew over Newry I presume it was on the ORK-BHD run. It seemed
73 Kaitak : Well, Newry is about 40mi south of Belfast, so using the "times three rule", they'd be at 12,000', but of course, it depends on STARs into BHD (don't
74 Shamrock604 : Kaitak, I agree to a large extend, although I feel EI's growth outside of Ireland was going to happen anyway, regardless of the recession. It simply
75 Mm320cap : Hey! That's a pretty cool phone card you found! For what its worth, I know we have sparred on the other post, but you folks sure have a beautiful cou
76 Shamrock604 : We spar on here all the time my friend.. there are rarely any hard feelings, so dont worry about it!
77 Toulouse : Haven't read the whole thread, busy as my in-laws are over and we had a hell of a storm here in Toulouse yesterday and no electrcity here (thos no .a
78 Kaitak : Strongly agree, but I think the main element missing is leadership and imagination; the response at a government level has been totally negative and
79 Toulouse : Well back online and got to read posts I hadn't read before my above reply to Philip. I'm delighted to see everyone seems to have a similar view! Exac
80 OA260 : Thats been a comfort LOL... someone else to worry about now . Thanks for that. It was a crystal clear day and flew directly over, wish I had have had
81 Bramble : Hear hear....roll on upgraded cabins on hopefully a TV advert to show them off. Too true. Any big business magnet would demand cost cutting and expec
82 Toulouse : Sorry! I'm sure things are fine if you're based around one of the costas!
83 COEI2007 : If demand slows a lot, its easy enough to send a/c through LGW ex DUB with DUB crew etc. FR has a lot of a/c coming on line, and a lot of people will
84 BrianDromey : Well they have been operating it for about 5 years now, so it would seem not too bad. Other operations have long since come and gone, LBA, PIK, GWY,
85 Post contains links Rojam : For anyone travelling by car to or from the kiss-and-ride area at DUB over the next few days - RTÉ reports of drop-off area access restrictions from
86 Post contains links Rojam : Correction: ....from 20h00 today until 04h00 on Feb 5th [c.f. Dub.aero, Irish Times, RTÉ]
87 OA260 : Turkish Airlines are looking at expanding at Dublin. Chairman of TK Dr Candan Karlitekin was in Dublin last week meeting key figures who have been pro
88 Aer Lingus : thats a familiar phrase in irish life. could be applied to almost anything really... itegrated ticketing, Luas, Metro North, parallel runway, T2, iar
89 OA260 : Aer Lingus will be starting a new BFS-TFS service commencing in September. Also EI have hedged 72% of their fuel for 2009 at a rate of $911 per tonne
90 Danny : Was on EI flights to FRA and back yesterday - load factor was abysmal. To FRA around 20 people, back around 80.
91 Provance : Holy cow - that is truely abismal !!
92 Post contains links OA260 : O'Leary's bid has crash landed but Aer Lingus is flying into more turbulence THE big difference of course is that during the 1980s recession you had t
93 Eiegaa : Just back from a week in NY on Saturday. I'm looking to put together my first TR. Can I simply cut and paste my photos or do I have to post them on Ph
94 DavecFlyer : This was Capital Airlines who flew the route with Shorts 360's. I think they also flew to Leeds from Dublin. DaveC
95 Shamrock350 : Great! Hopefully once EI-EAV arrives they can start the adverts. Anyone have any idea on the progress of the current cabin upgrades? Open a photobuck
96 Bramble : I though that was the whole selling point of the A320 family. EI already have the A321 integrated in their fleet,apart from different capacity,and ne
97 Shamrock604 : Indeed it is. This January has definitely been weaker than normal, but im hopeful that summer season will be more or less on par with last year, or a
98 Neutral : The DAA have on their website the route support scheme for both short/long haul new routes started during 2009 from Dublin.Short haul is 3 years at 10
99 COEI2007 : Yeah, its normally a lot of Busines people, so weekends are quiet EI spoke of LAX being reconsidered, so I wonder if they qualify under this scheme, a
100 Toulouse : You're right Bramble, and has been confirmed by the Missus who deals with these sorts of things in Airbus.
101 EISHN : Evening ladies and gents, I was looking through the Indo from the other day and they had a small write up about this new EI/UA thing, and there was a
102 Shamrock321 : More doom and gllom at our end, our boss has moved forward a meeting with us to Wedensday, looks like its lights for my 4 years of working at DUB, hea
103 CallBell : I would imagine that was just for the photo shots at the Press release. Pics of Mr Mannion holding an EI aircraft model wouldnt have conveyed the mess
104 EIRules : Sorry to hear that Shamrock321. Probably not the best industry to be in during a recession. Im not sure EI know themselves exactly how this is going
105 Shamrock350 : The exterior will be Aer Lingus branded and the interior will be joint branded which probably means that both airline logos will be present on seats
106 Shamrock604 : Hope its not the worst case scenario my friend. Best of luck on Wednesday, im sure you'll be fine.
107 OA260 : Sorry to hear that Shamrock321, Its a bad time for those are affected. Only those that are loosing their jobs and have a major threat of loosing thei
108 CelticMech : EI's next A320..MSN 3857 will be registered EI-DVJ and due for Delivery April 3rd at present.
109 Shamrock321 : I can beat 20, I was once on a SXF-DUB flight with 14 on the flight including me an my mate. Ive flights booked to BCN next week, day return, ot that
110 B747forever : Well then you should see the thread about the AA flight with only 16 pax from ORD to PVG!!
111 BrianDromey : I can beat 14! I was once on an FR 738 flying LBA-DUB which had 12 passengers on it, including me. Has anyone ever been on a more empty flight? i.e L
112 Aer Lingus : 15... DUB-DUS March '06. Someone was on that same flight as me back then from these boards doing a day trip also by coincidence (albeit mine was to t
113 DavecFlyer : I did a ZRH-DUB one Saturday evening in the mid 90's and there were 9 on board. The aircraft used to fly DUB - ZRH - SNN - ZRH - DUB on a Saturday ba
114 Smokeyrosco : I remember handling one flight for RE from DUB to BFS that had one passenger to BFS and it was empty on the way back!
115 OA260 : I flew LDY to BHD around 10 years ago with Jersey European. I still have the ticket. There were only 2 passengers incl me. I had checked a bag in and
116 Provance : Good to see some things haven't changed
117 OA260 : I quite like BHD. The new Terminal is modern clean and works well. The only issue I have is that they should have a fast track for BMI Gold card hold
118 Shamrock321 : Yes I was on that flight to DUS, I think I was in row 1-2 that day so couldnt really see how many people where down back! I remember the first XL Airw
119 Provance : Last month I flew RE from BHD to ORK. My meeting finished early so I decided to head to the airport to have dinner, do a bit of spotting, and wait fo
120 Post contains links and images OA260 : Next time go to Ikea and you get the spotting and the cafe LOL..... I have to fly BMI next week and was thinking BHD for a change but now you put me
121 COEI2007 : I will have to watch 29D on all of my BCN flights from now on, as youre on them more than me!
122 OA260 : LOL... With fares for EUR66 you couldnt get to ORK for that. Might as well enjoy them while they last. Summertime my friends going back to Salou so i
123 Bramble : DUB-BHX just before christmas had 13 pax on it. I did the demo by standing beside tem all. Have also done a DUB-TFS flight with 5 pax. It was the las
124 Shamrock604 : As all of us working on aircraft know, these freakishly low loads happen more than people think! Dont read too much into it until you see the average
125 EISHN : Do non scheduled flights count? About a dozen or so SEA-DUB 735 delivery flight, and TLS-DUB was probably less on an A330 delivery flight. Thanks to C
126 CelticMech : Well sure if we are going down that route...a A320 with only the 2 pilots and 2 engineers was my lowest and also an A330 test flight with 2 Pilots an
127 CallBell : anytime! lol
128 Post contains links Rineanna : Rumour over on PPRUNE that FR is to partially close SNN base, with loss of 2 aircraft and a number of pilots/FAs. http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme
129 Post contains links Kaitak : EI bracing staff for new FR bid later this year/early next: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2009/0128/1232923369496.html Not all bad news
130 Post contains links Rojam : Open to correction as always.... Link incorrect - I think this is the link Rineanna intended. And this is the one Kaitak is probably referring to.
131 JWMD123 : I was on DUB-BHX and BHX-DUB this weekend gone and loads were light. Nothing on these lines, more about 50% LF I think
132 BHD : I agree with both these two statements, however as a frequent flyer between BHD and SOU I have to say SOU is no better, and wonder if this is a wider
133 Eiegaa : I see it's rumoured a YYZ route would include a stop off at BFS. Personally I think this could be a great route for EI. AFAIK the Toronto route is se
134 Shamrock604 : YYZ should be a winner. AC have the highest load factors of any airline operating out of DUB for their seasonal service. Combine that with the strong
135 Oa260 : Thanks , Im still undecided about BHD or DUB next week . But will make up my mind tomorrow. BFS has a good potential to make a EI Canada route work .
136 Smokeyrosco : I don't know why they would operate this with DUB-BFS or the other way around, in the two hours it would take to take off fly up land, off load/on lo
137 Shamrock604 : I agree that its pretty awful utilisation, and it doesnt exactly help with the aircraft building up higher cycles. Of course it could always do DUB-Y
138 Eiegaa : That could be one way of doing it, though I still think you would have a much better chance of filling the a/c by routing through both airports. Last
139 Post contains images Oa260 : For anyone interested the results of the Travel awards were held in Dublin the other night and a few sore heads followed the next morning. List of win
140 Bramble : So do most of the posters on this fourm. Good to see EI are finally waking up. Maybe Mannion might actually do what he was hired to do..........longh
141 Oa260 : I only knew two of that team. One of whom was Sales Manager for Northern Ireland and another was European Sales manager for the Republic.
142 Kaitak : I don't think they'd like the idea of doing a DUB-BFS sector with a 332 (it's even shorter than DUB-SNN); would it not be better to do DUB-YYZ-BFS-YY
143 Eiegaa : If they could be confident of getting decent loads from both routes the probably would do this, but could they actually achieve this from either rout
144 EI320 : I really can't see EI flying a DUB-BFS sector, very poor utilisation of an A330 and will only push up costs. Would be very surprised if EI attempted t
145 Kaitak : To be honest, I'm very surprised to see EI even talk aboout new long haul flights, but they know more than I do!
146 COEI2007 : When the whole United deal was announced last week, LAX was mentioned as a forerunner for a new long-haul route We need 8 a/c of the summer, and we h
147 Oa260 : Advanced longhaul bookings are down 20% on this time last year.
148 Legacyins : What I hear locally by EI at SFO is that they are routing LAX bound passengers on EI 147/146. They have not heard LAX coming back on line. SFO does n
149 Shamrock321 : So the dream lives on for another while at least! My job is safe, cant say to much but its a huge relief!
150 F1eddie : Thats good news!!!
151 BestWestern : The pprune rumours about shannon will be cristalised this week i hear from the grapevine... And Ryanair will blame .... the travel tax..... Its obviou
152 Oa260 : Well done. Hope it stays that way. At least your ok for the time being. You wont feel so bad in BCN now.
153 Toulouse : Congratulation Shamrock321, I'm delighted to hear that. I was thinking about your situation today. Glad it's all worked out, and long may it last!
154 EI320 : Of course, the blame will always be deflected elsewhere...... Ryanair have 6 aircraft based in SNN at the moment, not because they want to support th
155 Post contains links Oa260 : Lufthansa have a cool service. Mobile Text boarding pass. You can get a free test one sent to your mobile :: http://lh.mindmatics.com/?cid=&eid=&...5=
156 Post contains links and images Eiegaa : I've finally worked out how to work Phoobucket (I think!). Here are some pics I took from the viewing gallery at BFS in June when Air Force One was in
157 Post contains links Shamrock350 : The company wide webcast that was sent from Aer Lingus management to staff has been uploaded to YouTube, worth a watch. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=
158 Post contains links Bramble : Glad to hear it. Bad times for so many. Hope it stays safe for you Glad its there. I can watch it now. EI in their wisdom sent it to all staff with a
159 Post contains links Kaitak : It won't be any surprise that the DAA figures are down, but this report is not as downbeat as I expected; the decline in 2009 is not as bad as I feare
160 Shamrock604 : Delighted for you mate! Have had a similar "near scare" myself... I know how it feels! Cant wait to see if the mayor of clare has anything to say abo
161 Post contains links Rojam : Not an awful lot was revealed in that presentation that was not already publicly known. I was expecting a motivational address to staff - that was mo
162 Shamrock604 : The use of IT within Aer Lingus is shockingly bad for a company of its size, that said it does have sites that the Cabin and Flight deck crew can che
163 BHD : Haven't used LH's service, but BD have a similar one which I use frequently, works a treat! Woody
164 Oa260 : Nice pics. Pier E is certainly flying. Is that for UK Domestics only? I never seen it as a feature at DUB but then again I havnt looked for it either
165 Post contains links CelticMech : It is available on www.aerlingus.com The password to enter it is sent via Staff Information leaflets in work or via email if you have it. Its a gener
166 Post contains links Oa260 : Some news items I read today were that for the first time in 15 years LCC traffic is in decline. Also AMS is to shed 10-25% if its workforce due to st
167 Bramble : From DM!!!!! He is not a motivational speaker! EI have had online access to their roster for about 2 months now. However it did take the company fore
168 Shamrock604 : My god, the disdain for the man is palpable! Does Willie Walsh seem so bad now! ha ha... To be fair to DM, he's pulled quite a few rabbits out of the
169 Post contains links and images Rojam : I don't believe the security controls at DUB are m-ready, nor would I expect it any time soon either - few airlines will push for it as it won't save
170 Oa260 : I was just thinking that today. I always used to buy my ticket online and then get a SMS from them for Newry to Dublin Airport. Then after a few mont
171 Smokeyrosco : The problem with those systems is that they are pretty expencive and if it goes wrong it can end up being costly. BUT having said that, some companies
172 Bramble : Rabbits alone don't make a magic show! I'm still waiting on a grand finale. DM may have defended against 2 FR bids now,that is true. However he was h
173 BrianDromey : I think they do it at JER too, possibly BD's lounge at MAN is also direct boarding from the lounge. In this day ad age it's pretty poor for a company
174 Post contains images Oa260 : So its goodbye to Czech Airlines !! A section of a general email that was sent to airlines and trade today : ''We are now in our final week here at Cz
175 BestWestern : How many European carriers have entered into such a JV? Stop being so critical about EI - Ireland is a rock (a wet rock) on the isolated corner of Eu
176 BrianDromey : Off the top of my head I can think of KL, AF, CZ, LH, LX and almost all the members of both SkyTeam and Star Alliance. Ba have been wanting to do sim
177 Smokeyrosco : Just looking at EI's routemap, it's getting pretty full. They have added the routes out of Gatwick to Europe
178 B747forever : Really pity for you guys to lose CZA. But maybe once the economic crisis is over CZA will return to DUB, if they only survive...
179 Shamrock321 : When I worked in Servisair I remember checking in early morning LO/OK and MA flights, I always thought OK would be the last one standing but MA still
180 AmricanShamrok : Yeah, plus there's not many Irish in Texas anyway Sad... There might be a plus side to that, it might give EI the leverage it needs to start them sho
181 Post contains links BrianDromey : I know its not strictly relevant to Irish Aviation but Air NZ have launched what they call "SaverJet" - a fictious LCC which charges for everything "p
182 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair wins on French charges FRANCE's agreement to equalise airport charges for domestic and international routes will be a "big help" to Ryanair, d
183 Shamrock604 : OK will be back. They realised their disastrous mistake in changing schedule last year, and apparently requested early morning slots to operate as pe
184 Post contains links Shamrock350 : RYANAIR CALLS FOR 30% CUT IN DUBLIN AIRPORT’S HIGH FEES http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=09&month=jan&story=gen-en-300109
185 Shamrock604 : And FR were probably responsible for almost all of that fall with their withdrawal of 4 aircraft. They cause the drop, then blame the DAA. Do they ev
186 Ei 168 : Hey lads, Im hoping some of you might be able to answer this. Im heading to Australia next month on Singapore Airlines. I booked through a travel agen
187 Shamrock604 : Yes, Aer Lingus can through check in for Singapore Airlines flights. You may come across a particular check in agent who doesnt know how though, and
188 BrianDromey : I think the confusion might arise from US bound passengers. Onward boarding cards in this situation can not be issued unless the accommodation screen
189 Ei 168 : Thanks lads, I really appreciate that. I got the ticket the other day. It has the agents number, the eticket number and i think it is the SQ reference
190 Dstc47 : Not something you ever want to do, - this is not the cutting edge of SQ service either. Even at DUB, getting an onward pass has proved difficult in t
191 Shamrock604 : Try that for online check in. I did this when flying from Frankfurt to Singapore. I was able to check in fine even though I booked with ebookers.
192 Oa260 : Just make sure its the SQ Reference number and not the Amadeus or Galileo one. There are always two on every booking.
193 Shamrock604 : Just made a discovery.. CSA are selling the otherwise empty positioning legs into and out of Dublin. Its only on a friday from PRG, and sunday back to
194 Oa260 : Are these the ones for the charters?
195 Shamrock604 : It seems to be. Aircraft is down as an A321, and has a 4 digit flight number. Summer season it seems that they are sending their traffic via Paris on
196 Kaitak : I'd expect them to be able to check your bag through, but I'd be surprised to get a boarding pass; I'd have thought you'd need to go to the Flight Co
197 CelticMech : Nope...wont be coming on the 2nd...you must have missed it...posted earlier in this thread that there is a problem with the paint job on it...it was
198 Shamrock350 : The photo was taken on January 21st and although no obvious issues with the paint peeling, three of the doors look like they have been painted differ
199 CelticMech : Must have just been the way the pic was taken. can assure you everything else was fine in relation to colors in the correct place etc. Just the paint
200 CallBell : almost spat out my beer reading that..... funniest thing i have read in a long time! thanks!
201 Oa260 : Also Aeroflot has lost its codeshare on the route.
202 Shamrock350 : The photo from the other site was taken back in Toulouse on January 21st, it looks like the frame around the door which is usually painted white rema
203 Oa260 : I like the new Aer Lingus USA Adverts. ''Yes you can''.
204 Kaitak : No, unfortunately ... they won't like that! Glad to amuse someone! Sorry ... I remember it, now you mention it! Incidentally, while I think of it: Do
205 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus seem to like President Obama, they've had quite a few adverts using the campaign and his win as a way of advertising flights to the USA.
206 BestWestern : Its friday, it's michael o'rant time Worst airport service in Europe caused by the fact that every single planning permission that the DAA applied for
207 BrianDromey : Im interested as to what caused the paintwork to peel do quickly, was it perhaps the cold temperatures causing the paint not to cure properly or was
208 AmricanShamrok : Them new A320 winglets look fair ugly... Delta Air Lines will operate Shannon-Atlanta through JFK under the same flight numbers (DL122/DL123). Up unti
209 Bramble : This can be done. I regularly receive pax with onboard boarding passes on DUB-LHR. However they may not be able to check you in if there is a large g
210 Post contains links Kaitak : Possible new suitor for EI? http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...qa=business-qqqid=83335-qqqx=1.asp
211 Pilot21 : Nope - the paper is clutching at straws. I read the piece from Merrion - it was basically a research piece on the share price which it felt at these
212 Shamrock604 : its CAT IIIB Kaitak. IIIC is a rarity. With DUB's weather record, it probably wouldnt be feasible to install it anyway. ORK on the other hand..... (o
213 AmricanShamrok : There was a pic of an Airbus jet with them on the front page last night. I'd rather the current ones.
214 BrianDromey : Cat III would add an extra degree of certainty to ORK operations alright - the problem is the operators who would need it most do not use the current
215 Kaitak : Sadly, we only have Cat I down here in Jersey; visibility requirement (on the 27 end) is 550m, but 800m on the 09 end. And we can get pretty bad fog,
216 EICVD : I dont think they do, saw a FR a/c leave the SR hangar nearest to Pier D earlier & ive never seen any Ryanair a/c at the SR technics hangars before.
217 Irish251 : Certainly up to a week or so ago they were still using the FR hangar. Newly-delivered FR 737s have received attention in SRT's Hangar 1 on several oc
218 CelticMech : Basically Ryanair have the sole use of Hangar 1 in Dublin Airport. It all came about because of the way a contract was written! (incidently when the
219 AmricanShamrok : Is there a DC10 operating EI111 SNN-JFK today?
220 Ei 168 : I did that, thanks. There's a galileo, EI, SQ and the agents reference. I managed to find the SQ reference as the number worked on there website when
221 CallBell : The 111 doesnt operate on Saturdays at the moment.
222 OA260 : T2 is coming along nicely . Bit of chaos this morning at the entrance. People still trying to get to the drop off on the upper level then having to do
223 Aer Lingus : the way it should be! haha
224 Post contains links BestWestern : Interesting article on Ryanair from Malta, and their fears of allowing Ryanair dominate the region http://www.independent.com.mt/news.asp?newsitemid=8
225 Irish251 : It is a perennial complaint by British airline crew that, wherever they go, the local carriers get ATC priority. I wouldn't give this any credence an
226 BestWestern : From Aviationplanning.com United, apparently, has scored a coup of sorts using Open Skies. Aer Lingus will operate a code-shared flight between Madrid
227 BrianDromey : I've just been looking at flights on aerlingus.com and I've noticed some extra sectors on the ORK-MAN route, all of these have a 4 digit flight number
228 Post contains links and images Irish251 : Drifting off-topic perhaps, but "9" used to be the prefix for cargo flights, e.g. the long-running DUB-SNN-JFK Freighter was EI9107- that was back in
229 AmricanShamrok : Back when they operated DUB-SNN-MCO as charters they used flight numbers EI2001/EI2002. There seems to be a pattern these days with EI's long haul equ
230 BrianDromey : I wonder if the presence of the 332 on the ORD route will change when EI-ORD comes back from refurb. Perhaps DUO will be on ORD, as before, ORD will
231 Pilot21 : From the Master Schedule CelticMech had seen from February, ORD and JFK (the airports not the planes) will be mainly served by EAV and DUZ as the new
232 AmricanShamrok : Could do...isn't EI-LAX next in line for refurbishment? There'll be two flights to ORD on T/T/S so my understandin is that the 333 will route DUB-SNN
233 COEI2007 : I see from EI.com timetables and booking engine, that for the winter, IAD goes from 3 weekly to 4 weekly, Mo, We, Fr and Su, SNN-JFK stays at 5 weekly
234 CelticMech : Its off being painted firstly, then heading on its C Check. All going well, a/c due back on March 28th. Its the other way around...The A330-300 will
235 BrianDromey : Sorry, thats waht I meant, I think. I get confused between DUO and DUZ! I meant that the -302's would be on JFK and ORD. Thanks for the correction. A
236 AmricanShamrok : I'm sure everything will be ok and they just haven't loaded it yet deep breaths kevin, deep breaths... Aw right, sound
237 COEI2007 : Well that would mean they would only need 7 A330's. Hopefully they dont get rid of another one!
238 OA260 : One thing is for sure , this economic crisis will make people in Island nations wake up and realise they need stable and loyal carriers who will not
239 Shamrock321 : Why was there no catering?
240 Aer Lingus : I used to see the same VS cabin crew member commute with BD every few days come through also.
241 BrianDromey : Apparently it happens more often than it should, according to the guys on the flyertalk boards. Just one of the wonderful quirks of BD. Brian.
242 OA260 : I dont know mystery. Maybe their suppliers cocked up. But if your J class they should give you an upgrade voucher for your next flight. j service was
243 Shamrock321 : Cocked up? Its unforgiveable but not even to give an explanation well thats unacceptable! I would take it further, you would have been better off on R
244 CelticMech : There will always be one more aircraft than is required as the winter maintenance programme will be going on..basically during the winter months ther
245 BrianDromey : I think it happens more on the domestic routes, and some of the "meal deal" options. I think it is things like this that have cost bmi significant ma
246 Shamrock321 : Im nit picking now but BD use A320s on all LHR-DUB flight during the week the A319s only put in an appearance at the weekends except when theres a tec
247 OA260 : Oh I know. Maybe the caterers let them down but if it happens alot on domestics then it cant be the case. The coffee I got this morning was in a mini
248 COEI2007 : Ok, that makes sense! Just thought they had cut back enough, so I was braced for another 330 to go!! lol At least on EI you can buy a decent cup of c
249 BrianDromey : I do agree with you. BD is schizophrenic, at best! They chop and change things at random intervals, reversing, re-reversing and inventing as they go
250 Tonymctigue : That would be my take on a reduced FR presence at SNN. It has been obvious for some time now that in the current situation, FR are going to reduce se
251 OA260 : Lots of cancellations this morning. London - Lcy Air France AF5116 02-02-2009 06:45 Cancelled London - Lcy Air France AF5124 02-02-2009 07:35 Cancelle
252 Aer Lingus : obviously FCA cabin crew in disguise
253 DavecFlyer : Just a light dusting of snow in DUB this morning although it has just started again. I was hoping for some LHR diverts but I guess all the UK airport
254 Shamrock321 : Every single BD flight in and out of DUB is cancelled today! Maybe the busy day I was predicting wont be so busy!
255 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have cut all their UK fares, flights from Ireland are now EUR9.99 one way and flights to Ireland from the UK are GBP14.99 one way including
256 BHD : Same as in BHD. I have been stuck here since 6am trying to get to SOU which is closed with Flybe. W
257 Aer Lingus : i just bagged a DUB-LHR return Thurs-Sun in March for €57 return all in. LGW was €47 return all in but i prefer LHR since you are actually assign
258 Toulouse : That drives me MAD (as in crazy, annoyed and not Madrid Barajas Airport as a.net will indicate! LOL) at LGW... why do they do it? It's very annoying.
259 DavecFlyer : Its the same at BHX, LTN, NCL, EDI, MAN from my experience. I believe it is also the same at LHR but at least you have a general idea of where it is
260 Aer Lingus : yes now that you mention it ive had that at luton too. have a feling its a way to make you stay in the duty free area as long as possible. in LHR it
261 Shamrock350 : I prefer Heathrow as well and for only a €10 difference I would have chosen it as well. It's probably because I'm sued to it but I just find LHR qu
262 COEI2007 : Rumors of DM recently getting a golden handshake.....
263 Toulouse : Wow, so seems to be quite a British thing then. Surprisingly I only ever use LGW or LHR (used EMA once about 6 years ago, and stopped off at MAN back
264 ThrottleHold : Would prefer him to get a hefty Golden Kick in the arse...[Edited 2009-02-02 07:13:18]
265 Post contains links Kaitak : For what? Is he leaving? Or is this a performance bonus? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I se
266 DavecFlyer : DUB ATC now reporting the braking action on runway 10 as 'medium'. Several aircraft at the holding point are now returning to stand. It has been snowi
267 EI320 : Shannon has seen a few diversions today, if I thought they'd depart before it gets dark, I'd go down to take a look. BA084 SNN BA208 SNN BA282 SNN KL7
268 AmricanShamrok : Yeah I've noticed they always seem to have a surplus plane. Delays/Cancellations at other airports: Shannon Paris (CDG) Air France/CityJet AF5080 08:
269 COEI2007 : Somebody posted a list of the top 20 long-haul destinations that werent served ex DUB a few months back!! I cant remember who, but could they post the
270 ClassicLover : Yeah, my partner was flying out this morning and was 2/3 the way to the runway and they returned to the stand for deicing. He arrived about an hour a
271 AerLingus747 : Listening to DUB ATC and the runway is going to be closed for at least 90 mins to clear up the snow. All this means SNN is going to be busy tonight.
272 DavecFlyer : Yes, a large consignment heading that way... EI36T EI345 HYR56A EI247 and I assume some more. The RE314 went to BHD Also, was listening to EI ops on
273 OA260 : And all that catering gone to waste Nice pics. Looks like Christmas again. I hate that also. Its a rush to the gate . Sometimes in the case of FR its
274 AerLingus747 : They were reporting 25mm+ snow on the runway, and Met Éireann are forecasting more snow tonight.[Edited 2009-02-02 11:12:45]
275 DavecFlyer : I don't think its that bad at all. They reported 25mm of dry snow on the runway but the braking action I think was the decision maker. I am in Swords
276 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : I think this is what your talking about. It's a bit out of date now.
277 OA260 : The worst seems to have passed Ireland then. Hopefully it wont be too bad overnight. I just watched the 2130 Greek news and they showed the Cyprus Ai
278 AmricanShamrok : SNN is getting busy now! There are diversions at the moment from GVA, ZRH, LGW and HHN and they're all lining up to land on RWY 06 over my place here
279 Smokeyrosco : Just looking at that list and Dallas is 26th (I mention this as I know this was talked about ealier). I've got a list of 100, the figures are from Ju
280 Bramble : Interestingl there were approx 11 FR lying idle at BHX earlier. Unless they had cancelled a lot of flights that seems like an awful of idle aircraft.
281 EI787 : Tell me about it. I was on EI692 to DUS. We boarded at 0625 for a scheduled 0650 departure. Then we were informed that we would have to be deiced. Th
282 Tonymctigue : Ah yes, a great occasion for us SNN spotters to get a look at some different equipment but somehow, I doubt the passengers on those plane are as enth
283 AmricanShamrok : What's strange is, it looks like they're all diverting to SNN; none to ORK. Is there any chance these passengers could be let off now and bussed up t
284 Irish251 : BTW who remembers Ryanair's claim some months ago that it would be parking 20(?) aircraft for the winter? It would be good to ask MOL where we can see
285 CallBell : The aircraft parked may be rotated, as opposed to 20 specific aircraft picked to be parked. That way they can be ready for use in the case of long del
286 OA260 : In ZRH they de ice in 5 mins lol.... What is the situation with USA inbound flights tomorrow morning? I presume the runway conditions will be bad in
287 AerLingus747 : Just heard that DUB in now open.
288 Irish251 : I realise that but that's not the way it was portrayed. As of 2100 SNN unable to accept any more diversions but luckily DUB has just reopened for tra
289 EI320 : Dublin's loss is Shannon's gain Won't be easy put up all those BA, AA, KL passengers in hotels though! The 6 EI flights diverted to Shannon are retur
290 Shamrock321 : Just on from work very quite as all my BA/BD flights were cancelled, I only had the Iberia to look after it got in about half 6 but has been cancelled
291 Post contains images OA260 :
292 COEI2007 : 20 aircraft were ''parked'', which just means they fly there aircraft less, so finish earlier at night, start later in the morning, and this equates
293 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Aer Lingus already announcing details of tomorrows cancellations: EI149 LHR-DUB EI151 LHR-DUB http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obe...ecfigdffgdfkh.0&P
294 Post contains images Danny : Airport closed even without any snow accumulation??
295 Irish251 : Airlines have always done this during the off-season - only Ryanair makes a song and dance about it and of course finds someone to "blame" into the b
296 OA260 : The departure boards dont look too bad today. Most flights operating near to schedule. Frankfurt cancelled due to last nights aircraft not getting in
297 BrianDromey : To keep you in the shopping area as long as possible, I think! Some airports even have the cheek to put "relax and shop" instead of "wait in lounge"!
298 Post contains links OA260 : I think BFS have that . ----------------------------------------- O'Leary: I'd prefer cash over stake in Aer Lingus RYANAIR chief executive Michael O
299 JWMD123 : Well Mick you were the one who was so mad on getting your paws on EI!!!!!! You could have been earning a healthy return of interest just leaving the
300 BrianDromey : I wouldn't say loosing his touch, exactly. Maybe his lucky streak is ending? FR is one of those companies which has never known bad times, it grew ma
301 Shamrock321 : Just tried to re schedule my flights to BCN which I should be going on tommorow, the weather doesnt look great again for tonight and I live quite remo
302 Al2637 : In fairness, I dont think oil hedging can ever be called a mistake, it is a gamble by it's very nature (i.e. you find someone who is willing to bet ag
303 BHD : Sorry for late repsonses, wasn't online much over the weekend. Back in work now after my 7hr 30mins delay at BHD yesterday As far as I am aware it is
304 Bramble : Its still pathethic but I do beleive there are 2. I remeber last winter when some dozy staffer forgot to fill the second one overnight when it was -4
305 Kaitak : And he has the cheek to say that the future of EI looks bleak; EI's not the one that threw EUR400m away, screwed up its hedging and has made a big lo
306 BrianDromey : I think everyting has a price and at this point if someone was to offer MOL a decent amount of cash for his shares at EI I think eh would have to con
307 COEI2007 : The 9th 330 for EI is only being grounded, so there is still possibity of soething else from EI for the summer!!!
308 EIBoston : Does that mean they will actually ground one completly or actually rotate aircraft?
309 Post contains links and images Debonair : ...sorry if discussed before, but the search didn't helped. I need some information about NEX AVIATION AIRCRAFTS LTD. Is the company still trading? An
310 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus reaffirms commitment to its service between Cork and Birmingham International Airport - Fares from €9.99 one-way including taxes and char
311 Post contains links Kaitak : Folks, I've started 4/09, so let's mosey ... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4305378/
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