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SQ Adds Codeshare On US IAH-PHX Flight  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4026 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

I am not 100% certain what to make of this and if it will shore up the loads on SQ61/62 but as one poster at IAH Spotters says "If SQ was planning to pull out of Houston they would not have done this codeshare", I am inclined to agree.

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...ays-plans-codeshare-expansion.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iahspottersclub/message/30350

Thoughts,

Thomas


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Codeshares aren't a significant expense. The cost of adding a codeshare to another flight on an existing codeshare partner is negligible.

I don't think this is an indication of anything.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Well they recorded a whopping 50 something load factor in December. Clearly SQ is determined to stay on the route despite losing enormous amounts of money on a half full 77W year round. SINPHX is still shorter via just about any other intermediate point, and there are better one stop options so who knows...


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Forget US, if SQ is going to make IAH work they need to start code sharing with CO. SQ code sharing with CO couldn't hurt EWR-SIN either.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5435 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
despite losing enormous amounts of money on a half full 77W year round

Perhaps. But it also depends on how you account for costs internally which show tiny losses to just over breakeven* I believe  Wink

I agree that they need to codeshare with CO more. When I was told that they were signing deals with domestic US carriers for codesharing through IAH, I hardly expected US.

But anyway, hopefully this will shore up the leisure load in some part.



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User currently offlineFlydreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5301 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Well they recorded a whopping 50 something load factor in December. Clearly SQ is determined to stay on the route despite losing enormous amounts of money on a half full 77W year round. SINPHX is still shorter via just about any other intermediate point, and there are better one stop options so who knows...

I don't know - how many of those spendy seats up front do they have to fill to break even - and how is cargo on the route? SQ has to know something that we don't here.

It amazes me to see a top-class airline like SQ increasing its already substantial codeshares with US (which has customer service second only to maybe RyanAir in awfulness). Whatever issues UA and SQ seem to have where they don't really codeshare much at all with each other, it has to be in their interests to work that out. Nearly every SQ flight to a US gateway, including UA hubs - has onward codeshares on US over UA... and while I am not saying UA has world-class domestic service, you don't pay for soda.

Hopefully once CO enters Star Alliance, they will be able to build a good relationship with SQ (who seems not to be very close to anyone in Star Alliance really, except for maybe LH).



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User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

premium and even Eco pax will notice what must be the BIGGEST contrast from top to rock-bottom of Star Alliance carriers services; surprising SQ didnt codeshare ex-SFO/LAX.

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

I would be shocked if SQ ended the route. The belly of the plane leaves full every flight, the front of the plane has strong loads, and fuel is very economical. The Houston area continues to have the strongest economy in the country ,CO is set to join *Alliance later this year and SQ is not exactly short on aircraft, so like I said I would be shocked if they left, they obviously know something the average anetter does not.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5184 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 7):
they obviously know something the average anetter does not

And from what you've written - evidently you know more than the averge a.nettter about the performance of the flight too  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

I cant believe that any Asian premium carreir would want to code share with US. SQ to US is the largest bifurcation in service possible..even worse than say FL or F9

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5132 times:



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
I am not 100% certain what to make of this and if it will shore up the loads on SQ61/62

I can't imagine why anyone would want to fly SIN-PHX via the Atlantic. SQ's routing SIN-DME-IAH plus the connection IAH-PHX is about 3,000 miles (33%) further than via SQ's transpacific flights with connections at SFO or LAX. Even SIN-IAH is roughly 1,000 miles shorter with a connection at SFO/LAX than SQ's direct flight via DME.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Yea...but its a decent routing to Moscow...


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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5008 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
I cant believe that any Asian premium carreir would want to code share with US. SQ to US is the largest bifurcation in service possible..even worse than say FL or F9

In spite of the irrational thought process of many Anutters towards holding Airline travel in such high regard, airlines only care about profits... and US gets SQ profits. This isn't their first code-share, either, fyi.



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User currently offlineTimaay419 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4931 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 7):
The Houston area continues to have the strongest economy in the country

This is a very interesting statement. Do you have a source for this information?


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

http://www.trulia.com/blog/gregg_klar/2008/12/tx_boasts_strongest_econ
Don't know how reliable this site is - but Houston does boast the world's largest medical center and of course has the strong energy sector. Wikipedia has some good information on Houston's economy. Not to mention the 2nd largest number of Fortune 500s.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4809 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 12):

In spite of the irrational thought process of many Anutters towards holding Airline travel in such high regard, airlines only care about profits... and US gets SQ profits. This isn't their first code-share, either, fyi.

I don't think it is irrational at all. SQ is so profitable because they can command a fare premium over their competitors based on their strong reputation for service and the quality of their product. In very real terms, their reputation is cornerstone to their unique profitability. If they start making decisions which might add some small profit but begin to detract from their reputation of quality, they will erode at one of the largest contributing factors to their ability to command a premium.

Now I don't think a few US codeshares are going to change the world for SQ, I think it is more a state of surprised that an airline so committed to quality would make such a decision.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
Don't know how reliable this site is - but Houston does boast the world's largest medical center and of course has the strong energy sector. Wikipedia has some good information on Houston's economy. Not to mention the 2nd largest number of Fortune 500s.

Won't be long until the change from $150 oil to $40 oil is felt in Houston.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineTimaay419 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4774 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
Don't know how reliable this site is - but Houston does boast the world's largest medical center and of course has the strong energy sector. Wikipedia has some good information on Houston's economy. Not to mention the 2nd largest number of Fortune 500s.

Neither the Trulia link you posted or the economy section of the Houston entry on Wikipedia say anything about the Houston area being the strongest economy in the country. I understand the economy is strong, but I'd be interested to see an actual report or stats of US regional economies.


User currently offlineRedeye From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4745 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
Won't be long until the change from $150 oil to $40 oil is felt in Houston.

Houston's place in the global energy industry has moved far beyond being just an oil producer with an economy tied directly to the price of oil. It's now a global center of research/talent related to energy technology, production, and policy. Many people don't realize, for example, that Houston is a world leader in alternative energy research such as wind. So, yes, $40 oil will have some effect, but it's nothing like the 80s when the city's economy was over 50% energy-related, and mostly oil at that. As someone else mentioned, the economy is also strongly diversified in healthcare/biotech (which is less impacted by recession due to necessity), aerospace, and other industries.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4728 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
Now I don't think a few US codeshares are going to change the world for SQ, I think it is more a state of surprised that an airline so committed to quality would make such a decision.

Does the quality matter?

I'm just one passenger, thinking back on my connections to or from a long-haul flight, I can barely remember anything about the shorter flights. If SQ were codesharing on US' TATL flights, that would raise some eyebrows, but for short-haul, as much as US irritates me, I'm not sure important it is that US charges for soda.



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4238 times:



Quoting Timaay419 (Reply 13):
This is a very interesting statement. Do you have a source for this information?

The BLS
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/metro.pdf


User currently offlineTimaay419 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 19):


Quoting Timaay419 (Reply 13):
This is a very interesting statement. Do you have a source for this information?

The BLS
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/...o.pdf

Although an interesting read, employment reports aren't a source for your original statement:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 7):
The Houston area continues to have the strongest economy in the country

I'm genuinely interested in stats of this sort. If you have information regarding the broad economies of the big cities of the country in which it lists or categorizes each, I'd love to see it.

[Edited 2009-01-24 23:53:33]

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3936 times:



Quoting Timaay419 (Reply 20):
Although an interesting read, employment reports aren't a source for your original statement:

Actually it is. Employment numbers, including the monthly tally of jobs lost or gained, are crucial to understanding where the economy has been and where it might be going. Specifically, it helps you understand your income security.

Are companies in your industry hiring or firing? If they’re laying people off, it indicates that the worst is probably not yet over and you should be focused on job preservation and building an emergency fund. If it seems jobs are starting to appear, that’s a good indication the economic albatross is beginning to loosen. Not surprisingly the BLS numbers for the Detroit area are abysmal, and guess who has the worst economy in the county? Yup, you got it, the motor city.

And to the surprise of many Houston naysayers who post on this board and energy “experts”, The Houston area added jobs at a faster year-over-year clip in December than it did in November, according to the Texas Workforce Commission. The commission said Friday that area employers created 57,300 new jobs in December compared with a year earlier, a gain of 2.2  percent. The numbers were un-expected, especially because the year-over-year gain of 54,300 jobs in November already was running at a robust 2.1 percent.

So, if there is another city in America that can report numbers like that in this recession, I would be interested to know which city that might be.

http://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/press/2009/012309epress.pdf


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3912 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):
But it also depends on how you account for costs internally which show tiny losses to just over breakeven* I believe

That, I'd believe, because there's no way you can run a 77W 50% full and make money. I don't care how good the cargo is.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3787 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):
That, I'd believe, because there's no way you can run a 77W 50% full and make money. I don't care how good the cargo is.

I'd have to disagree with you...because why use a 77W in the first place. Front cabin and cargo could easily be break even for a 77W - not to mention whatever traffic is picked up in Moscow. This SQ at IAH is one of those aviation anomalies that gets caught up in the throats of the Houston haters on this board...I love it.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3768 times:



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 21):
Actually it is. Employment numbers, including the monthly tally of jobs lost or gained, are crucial to understanding where the economy has been and where it might be going. Specifically, it helps you understand your income security.

Quite true. Saying that "Houston has a strong economy" is quite a different thing from saying that "Houston has the strongest economy in the country," though. We can ascertain the first from Houston's employment numbers. We cannot ascertain the second from those numbers (alone).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 102IAHexpress : Actually we can because the BLS says as much: Without using employment numbers, how else would you infer economic health or strength on a metropolita
26 Cubsrule : Oh, you'd have to use them. But without more data (about demographic changes or the salary level of the jobs added, for instance), you can't get wher
27 Timaay419 : I'm not interested in your cheerleading routine for Houston and it's employment. I'd like to see something that proves your statement that Houston ha
28 COflyerBOS : I don't think I've ever seen such a ranking. That said, I travel to Houston quite a bit for work. If there's a HEALTHIER local economy in the nation,
29 102IAHexpress : The monthly employment numbers reported by the BLS are a gauge for the country's growth rate, they are used as an indicator by the Federal Reserve an
30 MaverickM11 : Idunno what my feelings about Houston has to do with anything, but the reality is that the plane is half full on average, and the bookings are about
31 Drerx7 : How do you know its not covering costs? Like said before - SQ and other folks must know something you don't - you are negating the cargo loads and th
32 MaverickM11 : You can't fly a 77W half empty on a longhaul point to point and make money. There's just no way. DMESIN probably does just fine. They're probably wai
33 Timaay419 : I rest my case. Employment numbers alone do not at all prove your statement that Houston has the STRONGEST economy in the country. That's all I'm say
34 COflyerBOS : I think you are confusing me with the person who made the claim. Again, I have never seen a list that ranks cities according to the strength of their
35 Drerx7 : Exactly - I don't think there is such a list - and in fact the poster that said that I believe was talking in tongue and cheek. All you can do is go s
36 Timaay419 : My bad. I should have separated my statements. I realize you two are separate people. I was asking for someone to show me some data, because I had se
37 Drerx7 : Well, I guess we have no conclusion to this fruitless argument - Anyway...SQ has its code on US IAH-PHX.
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