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Delta 757s Not Returning To ABQ This Summer?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

I was wondering, looking at DL's summer schedules, all ABQ-ATL flights show as MD-88s.

I am quite surprised, as the route is in high demand in the summer (as the 757s used in 2008 were all filled to capacity), and ABQ's hot-and-high conditions.

I really don't see the point in using the MD-88 on ABQ-ATL, as both the 738 and 752 are more suited to the route. And trust me, the last time DL flew the MD-88 to ABQ in the summer, the flights (both to ATL and CVG) were frequently weight restricted. I am not suggesting this only because of the IFE (DL will soon be adding Wi-Fi to their entire domestic fleet including the MD-88s), however, I think DL should use the 757 in the summer on ABQ-ATL as the route is both in high demand and subject to hot-and-high conditions.


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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

I think this is one of those markets where a 737-700 would work well. Good performance...but not too much capacity. Delta should at least put in 1 or 2 737-800s on this route.

As the OP stated....ATL-ABQ on the 88 is often weight restricted on this route and at times leaves with empty seats!


User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Well IMO, the folks in that particular department at DL that makes those decisions on where to send the a/c don't always make the most wisest decisions.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

With all due respect, what exactly is there in ABQ that requires a 757? If the loads are good, but it's all "holiday" travelers, then the yields are likely bad. If they can make money on the MD88's, then by all means.

I can think of a number of larger markets that the 757 would work better on, but that's just my opinion.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 3):
With all due respect, what exactly is there in ABQ that requires a 757? If the loads are good, but it's all "holiday" travelers, then the yields are likely bad. If they can make money on the MD88's, then by all means.

However, the last time DL flew the MD-88 to ABQ in the summer, flights were often weight restricted, resulting in more empty seats. More empty seats = more lost profit. If the 757 isn't the right aircraft for ABQ-ATL in the summer, the next best option would probably be the 738 or the MD-90.

As I stated in my original post, I am not only suggesting this due to the IFE, as DL is adding Wi-Fi to the entire domestic fleet. I simply thought that it would be a better idea. Last summer, all three ABQ-ATL flights were flown by 757s, and were all filled to capacity. I am pretty sure that DL can make more money on the ABQ-ATL route with a more capable aircraft during the summer months, considering ABQ's hot-and-high conditions.

[Edited 2009-01-25 14:38:21]


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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2883 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I was wondering, looking at DL's summer schedules, all ABQ-ATL flights show as MD-88s.

Has the summer schedule been finalized yet?

Quoting Lexy (Reply 3):
With all due respect, what exactly is there in ABQ that requires a 757?

Do some research. Albuquerque is one of the fastest growing cities in the country, and DL has no trouble filling those 757s up.



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2878 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 2):
Well IMO, the folks in that particular department at DL that makes those decisions on where to send the a/c don't always make the most wisest decisions.

From a capability perspective I can see your point, however I am sure the schedulers balance the capability with yields and can probably make more money by sending the 757s elsewhere. Likewise, if they could figure out how to make it work, I am sure they would try to put an RJ on all the CVG to Europe trips.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 6):
From a capability perspective I can see your point, however I am sure the schedulers balance the capability with yields and can probably make more money by sending the 757s elsewhere. Likewise, if they could figure out how to make it work, I am sure they would try to put an RJ on all the CVG to Europe trips.

So then, why not use a 738 or an MD-90? They surely would perform better than the MD-88 during ABQ's hot-and-high summers.

With DL's buyout of NW, DL now has a massive load of 757s in the fleet.

[Edited 2009-01-25 17:31:43]


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2773 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 5):
Do some research. Albuquerque is one of the fastest growing cities in the country, and DL has no trouble filling those 757s up.

Well I realize that about the growth there. But are they filling the planes up with premium business pax?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 8):
Well I realize that about the growth there. But are they filling the planes up with premium business pax?

You can make the same argument about the MD-88. The MD-88 is a less efficient and less capable aircraft than the 752/738/MD-90, and I would still think that DL would make more money on the route using those aircraft types rather than the MD-88.

UPDATE: Interestingly, looking at Delta's March schedules, it looks like the ABQ-ATL route will be flown by 1x MD-90, 1x MD-88, and 1x 757. Perhaps DL hasn't completed the new summer schedules yet. I remember that in 2008, DL began to bring in the 757s into ABQ around the same time, with all flights being shifted to 757s around June.

[Edited 2009-01-26 07:37:29]


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2652 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 3):
With all due respect, what exactly is there in ABQ that requires a 757?

Funny thing is that EVERY flight to SLC fro ABQ is on CRJ aircraft (and WN has a couple of 737NG flights direct). I think that DL is aiming to accommodate the west coast connectors with frequency more than anything. But ABQ is certainly a large enough market that mainline shouldn't entirely be conceded to WN, or DL MDD aircraft.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6610 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2648 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Interestingly, looking at Delta's March schedules, it looks like the ABQ-ATL route will be flown by 1x MD-90, 1x MD-88, and 1x 757. Perhaps DL hasn't completed the new summer schedules yet. I remember that in 2008, DL began to bring in the 757s into ABQ around the same time, with all flights being shifted to 757s around June.

Summer schedules are NOT complete,so ABQ may still get 757's this summer. However, keep in mind that DL is reducing domestic capacity systemwide, so there's no guarantees.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2555 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
Summer schedules are NOT complete,so ABQ may still get 757's this summer. However, keep in mind that DL is reducing domestic capacity systemwide, so there's no guarantees.

FYI, I am currently booked on an MD-88 on ATL-ABQ on June 6. Perhaps there may be a schedule change soon. However, my previous flight on SJU-ATL is on a domestic 763 with AVOD, so hopefully that flight doesn't change.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2828 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2534 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 5):
Albuquerque is one of the fastest growing cities in the country, and DL has no trouble filling those 757s up.

But are they making money with those extra seats?

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 6):
From a capability perspective I can see your point, however I am sure the schedulers balance the capability with yields and can probably make more money by sending the 757s elsewhere.

 checkmark  Like other airlines, Delta puts planes where they think they can make the most money with them. If they can make more money with a 757 on ABQ than some other possible alternative use, they will (e.g. MSP has DL 757's now because they now believe it is a better use of the aircraft than another market that lost it). The number of aircraft available is finite; they try to pick the best overall distribution in attempt to maximize profit.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
So then, why not use a 738 or an MD-90? They surely would perform better than the MD-88 during ABQ's hot-and-high summers.

Because they are doing something else more profitable with 737's and MD-90's. It's that simple.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2506 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 13):
Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 5):
Albuquerque is one of the fastest growing cities in the country, and DL has no trouble filling those 757s up.

But are they making money with those extra seats?

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 6):
From a capability perspective I can see your point, however I am sure the schedulers balance the capability with yields and can probably make more money by sending the 757s elsewhere.

Like other airlines, Delta puts planes where they think they can make the most money with them. If they can make more money with a 757 on ABQ than some other possible alternative use, they will (e.g. MSP has DL 757's now because they now believe it is a better use of the aircraft than another market that lost it). The number of aircraft available is finite; they try to pick the best overall distribution in attempt to maximize profit.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
So then, why not use a 738 or an MD-90? They surely would perform better than the MD-88 during ABQ's hot-and-high summers.

Because they are doing something else more profitable with 737's and MD-90's. It's that simple.

I see your point, however, I find it quite difficult to believe that DL would make more money using the MD-88 on ABQ-ATL during the summer vs. the 757, 738, or MD-90. The last time DL flew the MD-88 on the route during the summer, flights were often weight restricted, resulting in more empty seats. Why would a smaller aircraft with more empty seats make more money than a larger one with fewer empty seats?

With DL's buyout of NW, DL now has a massive load of 757s, and I don't see why there would be a shortage of them to use on ABQ-ATL.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2482 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I am not suggesting this only because of the IFE



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
As I stated in my original post, I am not only suggesting this due to the IFE



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 12):
However, my previous flight on SJU-ATL is on a domestic 763 with AVOD, so hopefully that flight doesn't change

 scratchchin  You sure you aren't suggesting this due to IFE?

 liar 



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2462 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 15):
You sure you aren't suggesting this due to IFE?

Well, it would be nice to have AVOD, however, DL will be adding WiFi to their entire domestic fleet, including the MD-88s. Hopefully I at least get a WiFi equipped aircraft (assuming that there is no equipment change). More of them should be done by then, and the MD-88s are top on the list for WiFi upgrades. FYI, on SJU-ATL, WiFi won't work on most of the trip as it is mostly over water, so it is great to have AVOD.



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