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Mexicana's Click To Acquire Ex-Midwest 717s  
User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

As reported by Skyliner. Anyone know if these will be Fokker 100 replacements or to be operated alongside them ?


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

This is news to me. I have not heard anything about this before. Seems like an odd choice, but it might be very nice, considering that no Mexican airline in the past has operated the 717.

Do you know how many ex-YX 717s are we talking about Greg?



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9369 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Do you know how many ex-YX 717s are we talking about Greg?

The hot rumor was all 25 were going to Click and then more E-170's or 190's for YX.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1154 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9331 times:

skyliner is showing 10

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9300 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 2):
The hot rumor was all 25 were going to Click and then more E-170's or 190's for YX.



Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 3):
skyliner is showing 10

Interesting. If I am not mistaken, the QA fleet is currently formed by 25 F-100s. If QA would get all 25, then it seems like a 1 to 1 replacement. If it is only 10, it seems they will either slowly start replacing the Fokkers or will get these new planes for growth.



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User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2092 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

Wouldn't Click only acquire 16, or has YX dumped them all?


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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9229 times:

As of yesterday, YX was still operating a handful of them. The controversial reorganization plan was to keep 9 of the original 25. I don't know of any mention of ex-QantasLink aircraft being involved.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

WOW, this is news to me. Would be great to see the 717 operating in Mexico.

I guess this would be a logical move seeing as the B717 is the same size as the F100. Perfect replacement.


User currently offlinePitintl From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9116 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
This is news to me. I have not heard anything about this before. Seems like an odd choice, but it might be very nice, considering that no Mexican airline in the past has operated the 717.



Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
WOW, this is news to me. Would be great to see the 717 operating in Mexico.

Vuelamex is as close as I can recall for an airline operating 717s south of the border. Would have been great to see these birds flying as they had an amazing livery!

[Edited 2009-01-25 13:45:40]


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8932 times:



Quoting Pitintl (Reply 8):
Vuelamex is as close as I can recall for an airline operating 717s south of the border

ha, I had completely forgotten about them. So, is this a rumor or is it a fact, anybody know for sure???


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5443 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

Someone here (ATATristar or something like that) has said in a few threads that all 25 aircraft are indeed going to Click. I'm not sure how reliable he is as a source, but he is apparently working on interior mods or some such.

In any event, it sounded like it was a done deal to him, and for all 25. We'll see.

-Dave



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

This was reported last week in Reforma newspaper. As stated in the article a letter of intention has been signed with Boeing to lease 25 B717 that will replace the entire QA F100 fleet. MX Board approval and pilot contract negotiation are pending, but once given the contract with Boeing will be signed.

http://www.reforma.com/editoriales/negocios/481/960113/

I know MX has been trying to replace the F100's, but doing so with another type of aircraft that is no longer available in the market (brand new) is a very bad decision. When MX decided to give QA its F100's and make it its low cost arm, we started discussing the F100 replacement. MX claimed that the F100's will stay for a long time and that they will bring more (which they did) but now they are trying to replace them. Obviously, MX should be getting a very good deal for the B717's, but there will be training costs, part inventory along many other things that can prove to be expensive for MX. Hope the B717 performs good in MEX...


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8628 times:



Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 6):
The controversial reorganization plan was to keep 9 of the original 25.

YX could keep flying the 9 717's however if Boeing found a airline that wanted those 9 Boeing can take theses as well. I could be wrong but that is what I believe to be true.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineYx302 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8611 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 12):

That's correct Boeing can take the remaining 9. Obviously there's already a contract if that were to happen. Midwest would be given a time table in which they need to be returned. I was told if they were notified today it would be almost up to a year before the last one would be gone.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8566 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 13):
I was told if they were notified today it would be almost up to a year before the last one would be gone.

That is a relief i am plannig on using YX for MKE-LAS one more time


Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Anyone knows how old are these birds?

User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8514 times:



Quoting AM744 (Reply 15):
Anyone knows how old are these birds

All are less than 10 years I believe.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8349 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
http://www.reforma.com/editoriales/negocios/481/960113/

Thanx, couldn't open the link, not a member, but at least its an official link.

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
That is a relief i am plannig on using YX for MKE-LAS one more time

Although I'm happy for Click that they are upgrading their fleet, sorry about what happened to Air Midwest. They were a nice little airline, they've lost everything. Here's to better days..


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8178 times:



Quoting Pitintl (Reply 8):
Vuelamex is as close as I can recall for an airline operating 717s south of the border. Would have been great to see these birds flying as they had an amazing livery!

I too forgot about them . I remember seeing them all painted up @ LGB .



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7533 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 13):
That's correct Boeing can take the remaining 9. Obviously there's already a contract if that were to happen. Midwest would be given a time table in which they need to be returned. I was told if they were notified today it would be almost up to a year before the last one would be gone.

It will take at least two years for MX to take all 25 frames if the contract is signed. The F100 leases will have to expire so MX can return them without penalty.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 18):
I too forgot about them . I remember seeing them all painted up @ LGB .


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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

So your telling me that in the end YX is only going to be operating CRJs and E170s?! This is ridiculous, I can't believe they've actually gone this far down the drain. If they haven't been able to get the 737s/A320s they've been talking about for the past couple of years I don't see how they'll get any E190s. Quite sad indeed...


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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6766 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 17):
sorry about what happened to Air Midwest

Not to be anal but it is Midwest. I thing Air Midwest is in Europe and yes it is sad to see them lose everything.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 20):
So your telling me that in the end YX is only going to be operating CRJs and E170s?! This is ridiculous, I can't believe they've actually gone this far down the drain. If they haven't been able to get the 737s/A320s they've been talking about for the past couple of years I don't see how they'll get any E190s. Quite sad indeed...

I dont think TPG would order them new aircraft aka 737 or 320's what you see is what you get fo YX. Timmie's ego brought down YX. YX should have sold to FL but when the eceonomy went in the crapper FL is glad they did not buy YX so this was a vicious cycle.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineHloutweg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Perhaps Click could take a look at the C-Series. Or even at the Sukhoi Superjet. I know Bombardier would still need time to deliver the aircraft, but Sukhoi? How much Wouk they have to wait if they were to buy it now?


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7507 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6634 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 21):
Not to be anal but it is Midwest. I thing Air Midwest is in Europe

 confused  I thought Air Midwest was a regional carrier... at least in the States.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 20):
So your telling me that in the end YX is only going to be operating CRJs and E170s?!

If that's the case, maybe they should rivert back to their old Midwest Express name.  duck 

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
I know MX has been trying to replace the F100's, but doing so with another type of aircraft that is no longer available in the market (brand new) is a very bad decision.

In this particular case, not necessarily. One needs to remember that the 717 was an inherited frame (MD-95) from MDD resulting from the Boeing/MDD merger. As long as Boeing's still servicing the older MDD planes (DC-8s, DC-9s, DC-10s, MD-80s, MD-90s and MD-11s) that are flying out there, similar will be done for the newer 717.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
Hope the B717 performs good in MEX...

 checkmark  Hope so too.

Quoting Pitintl (Reply 8):
Vuelamex is as close as I can recall for an airline operating 717s south of the border.

Close, but no cigar. While there were 4-717s indeed painted in Vuelamex's livery; the airline did not receive its operating certificate and, hence, never started/flew.

This is probably the first time in quite a while that a sizable bunch of used-717s are NOT going over to FL.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6562 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
I thought Air Midwest was a regional carrier... at least in the States.

You're right, it was a regional subsidiary of Mesa operating Beech 1900s around the country but different from Midwest, a national carrier operating narrow body jet aircraft.



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25 Dougbr2006 : I think your title should read "MEXICANA'S CLICK TRYING TO LEASE 25 ex "MIDWEST B717's". The article is now on flightglobal and not exactly firm yet.
26 Ghost77 : TOLD YOU!!! It's almost a "close deal". What's missing? The Pilots Union and MX board to approve it. The batch will include 10 for now plus 15 more to
27 Juventus : Ha, the man with the "behind the scene" information. Thanx Ghost so finally the B717 in good old Mexico
28 Rojo : I am not talking about service and parts (F100 parts and service is still available), but actually growing the fleet in the future. What plane would
29 Yx302 : Funny you say that. Ive mentioned that to a few people at work. And at the time of the change YX was on the brink of chapter 11 and still spent milli
30 FL787 : Yes and I'm not aware of any other 717s just sitting around. Who's are they?
31 Dtw9 : AeBel's got 5 on the ground and Bankok's got a couple coming up
32 FreequentFlier : So if all 25 are in fact coming from YX (which in all likelihood appears to be case), then YX is officially a virtual airline, selling a brand (Midwes
33 Pezetaroi : Anyone knows what kind of engines these 717's have? They're two possible: Rolls Royce BR715-A1-30 or BR715-C1-30 engines. Depending of which, the rang
34 FL787 : They must be the C1s because a 717 can fly more than 1400 miles. I didn't know that it had two engines with big differences though.
35 Post contains links A340Spotter : One of the AeBal/Spanair B717s flew west over the North Atlantic earlier today, KEF-YYR as JKK8711: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JKK8711 If you
36 Ghost77 : Saudi Arabian 29... MD90s or other MD90s out there... same engines and cockpit (Saudi's) 1997-2000 productions... or more B717s out there... speciall
37 Airtran737 : I am pretty sure YX went with the A1-30. The C1-30 would have cost more money, and YX didn't go all out on the options for their 717's when they orde
38 Post contains links Kappel : The C-series is too big. And IMHO the Superjet is "old tech". Maybe the MRJ? But anyway, the flight global article (see link below) mentions that the
39 PHLBOS : If WN ever comes to ATL and/or decides to buy FL; I'm sure that 87 more 717s will eventually become available.
40 Rojo : It is not a matter of what might or might not be available, but the negotiating power MX would have when it needs more. Lets say the 29 MD90's of Sau
41 Yx302 : As far as engine model iam not sure, but i do know there the low range, low thrust 717s. Theres a computer upgrade to allow the smaller engines put ou
42 Legacytravel : I have not heard that maybe I am wrong. I f I am my apologies. Mark in MKE
43 Legacytravel : My thoughts exactly. I said this would happen months ago. I have lived through it already and I hear the coporate speak and knew what they were doing
44 AM744 : Which would be nice. Maybe Click could even set up a maintenance joint venture with AM in GDL at some point down the road. What about becoming a viab
45 TZTriStar500 : That would be me and yes it is for all 25. I cannot say anymore at this point so as to not upset both my employer and the customer. Yes, I am a credi
46 AA767400 : I think you are looking a little too much into this. While the 717s are not as common as other jets, I truly think their presence with MX will be per
47 MKE22 : Does anyone have an image of what these 712s will look like in MX Click livery?
48 PHLBOS : How does FL hypothetically merging w/NK create a situtation for them (FL) getting more 717s? Last time I checked, not only does NK have an all-Airbus
49 MX77W : Honestly, I don't see why MX would have the need to bring MD-90's to their fleet. I feel that MX is doing good with their current A32X mainline fleet
50 Rojo : Because companies didn't look too much into decisions like this, today we have many casualties. Don't forget that Mexico already had a a strong one:
51 MX77W : I guess when you put it that way, I agree with you in that sense. However, it's the same thing with bringing MD-90's (production closed, going to be
52 PHLBOS : I am very well aware that you said hypothetically, I am not questioning nor contesting that; what I AM questioning is the logic behind your statement
53 Aviopic : Of course it can. Fokker stopped production but the company is still around and in fact doing better then ever before(making more money at least). Ev
54 PHLBOS : Thanks for the update. I wasn't aware that the Fokker company was still around. That's why I had the IIRC disclaimer in my earlier post.
55 ScottB : OK, but that was a poor business decision for reasons which are completely unrelated to Mexicana/Click choosing to operate 717s. That isn't necessari
56 Post contains links Aviopic : Y.W. I am because they pay my salary F.Y.I. http://www.fokkerservices.com/ http://www.stork-aerospace.com/
57 AM744 : What I heard is that the business model was fine, but the CEO Guillermo Heredia wasn't allowed to run the airline as he wanted to, hence, he resigned
58 Ghost77 : Ok, if this happens there are more China models which were also STD and these in fact were about to be taken by DL but in the end they cx, so DL is n
59 Pilotfox : I posted this over on FT, but I supposedly there is a rumor going around that YX will be making a big announcement later today at some point.
60 Ghost77 : CROSS YOUR FINGERS so nothing extraordinary happens... tomorrow the Pilots Union will sign the contract for the Boeing 717 with Mexicana Click. The de
61 Post contains links Ghost77 : My good old friend Rojo, check this link out: http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=343 Scroll down... in the end you'll see the dif
62 Rojo : Thanks Ghost, a lot of information on this topic. What I found interesting from the article posted in the link and which was my major concern was: Th
63 Post contains links Aviopic : That's not the difference between the F100 and 717 but the difference between Tay 650 and the BR715. A fully equipped 717 weighs about 5 ton more the
64 Ghost77 : Indeed, fuel consumption will be similar, but a bit lower on the B717s. Hi Aviopic.... What's the maximum F100 seat configuration? By saying a fully
65 Aviopic : Officially 119(have to dig it up) I believe but I can't remember any operator ever used it. Think in average 109 seats are used but it really does no
66 PHLBOS : IIRC, the main reasons WHY most carriers didn't opt for the 717 were due to: 1. Limited cruising range. 2. Many carriers (at least in the U.S.) decid
67 Ghost77 : It's official guys!!!! Mexicana goes Boeing 717!!!!!!! Mexicana will take delivery of 06 from a batch of 30 this 2009. Aircraft will have a 100 seat c
68 717fan : Wow, thats great! Finally some good news for the 717...
69 Kikiferret : A new kid on the block: QA B717!!!!! Great news Ghost! especially in these dark times. Saludos K
70 Kikiferret : Ghost, do you know when it will arrive first? Saludos
71 MX77W : Congrats MX!!! And let's hope the good news keep coming for '09 as Ghost had already mentioned! So, no Elite Class for QA still? Well I guess it woul
72 Juventus : Thanx for the good news. Let's see how it looks on the Click (Mexicana) livery.
73 PHLBOS : While it is good news for QA (MX); it's unfortunate that it's indirectly at the expense of YX losing theirs (granted, that was in the works for a whi
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