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DL 764's Leaving Domestic Service After May13?  
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5816 times:

Looks like the end of domestic 764 service on May 14 when SLC-HNL becomes a 763.

There appears to be no 764 service in the ATL-LAX market for the summer, and HNL-OGG becomes a 763 again on Mar 02 (upgrade from 752).

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 5657 times:



Quoting CV880 (Thread starter):
Looks like the end of domestic 764 service on May 14 when SLC-HNL becomes a 763.

There appears to be no 764 service in the ATL-LAX market for the summer, and HNL-OGG becomes a 763 again on Mar 02 (upgrade from 752).

Well, DL realized that they can make more money using the 764ERs on international routes. In the current configuration, DL's domestic 763s seat 262 passengers, which is only 23 fewer passengers than the domestic 764ERs. On the positive side, DL's domestic 763s are AVOD-equipped.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

We're going to miss them at MCO  Sad

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5397 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 2):
We're going to miss them at MCO

It looks like you guys will get a 763 or a 752 about every hour down there though. 15 flights a day



yep.
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

If the 763ER's are to be kept for awhile, and the NW widebody 744's, 333's, 332's deployed on international routes, some of the 763ER's should be converted back to high density 24F 238Y configuration for long range domestic hauls as in JFK/ATL/MSP/DTW to Hawaii and upgrade the IFE at the same time. With the 764's going to all international configuration, there should be available 763's, particularly in this economic downturn. May be a good time to "dump" some of the aging Non "ER" 767's as they are the oldest.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5326 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
May be a good time to "dump" some of the aging Non "ER" 767's as they are the oldest.

Well, some of DL's domestic 763s aren't that old. The four ETOPS aircraft used to Hawaii with P&W engines were built around 1993-1999. However, eventually we may see some of the international 763ERs converted to domestic when DL starts to get the 787s.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5314 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
If the 763ER's are to be kept for awhile, and the NW widebody 744's, 333's, 332's deployed on international routes, some of the 763ER's should be converted back to high density 24F 238Y configuration for long range domestic hauls as in JFK/ATL/MSP/DTW to Hawaii and upgrade the IFE at the same time. With the 764's going to all international configuration, there should be available 763's, particularly in this economic downturn. May be a good time to "dump" some of the aging Non "ER" 767's as they are the oldest.

They have 2-3 76Ds sitting in VCV waiting. they really dont need anymore 763Ds.



yep.
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

remember that we are in one of the biggest economic downturns. Airplanes are 20 year investments. While it may appear that airlines don't need any of a specific airplane type now, airline strategy groups are thinking toward the next upturn in the economy and beyond. They can park airplanes for the time being and bring them back at some point in the future. DL hasn't integrated the DL and NW route systems at all and it is possible there will be some synergies created that will create alot more widebody demand than exists now. For instance, the 753s might be used to add new west coast-Hawaii flying or ATL to Caribbean/Mexico while the demand for routes like DTW-SLC and MSP/DTW-JFK grow as newconnections create more demand. I remember that at the time of the DL-Western merger, DL was operating 2 727s on CVG-SLC. Look at the amount of capacity that is in that market now, and CVG is a much smaller hub than it is now. Also, the 4 newer doemstic 76Ds are PW4000 powered - they are really hybrid domestic/ERs. It is possible they could be modified to fly longer routes where a widebody is needed for the range but where it might not be desirable to have a business cloass cabin or have lots of cargo.

Some of the 767s will be retired but the 767, esp. the 76D will become for DL what the DC9 has become for NW. It is low cost capacity because they are close to the end of their economic life. Some of them can be retained in the fleet just because they are inexpensive to own but are still fairly economical to operate on an overall basis.

I posted figures in the thread about the 762ER to show that the 763/ER for HA has costs that are about 10% higher than new aircraft life the 764ER of 330 which have very favorable costs. Ownership costs are a much bigger part of the cost equation that alot of people recognize and can make the difference in whether a plane can be profitably retained in an airline's route network or not.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3005 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Does anyone know the expected timetable for the completion of lie-flat seat installation on the 764s?


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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4743 times:



Quoting CV880 (Reply 4):
May be a good time to "dump" some of the aging Non "ER" 767's as they are the oldest.

Already some DL 763s parked in the desert at VCV - 132 and 133 included

A


User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

I thought the 764s were designed almost specifically for use at La Gaurdia? With their boundary rules etc these would have to be domestic flights? So how come they are not beng used there anymore?

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3700 times:



Quoting LHRlocal (Reply 10):
I thought the 764s were designed almost specifically for use at La Gaurdia? With their boundary rules etc these would have to be domestic flights? So how come they are not beng used there anymore?

Well, the 764ER was actually designed for two airlines: DL and CO. DL wanted a shorter-range aircraft that could use their existing L-1011 gates, while CO wanted a longer-range aircraft for transatlantic routes. The final design was a compromise for the two airlines, being able to fit in existing L-1011 gates, yet maintaining sufficient range for most routes from the East Coast to Europe.

As for why DL doesn't fly the 764ER into LGA anymore is because market conditions have changed. Before 9/11, DL was the most profitable airline using many widebodies on domestic routes. However, a few years after 9/11, it became clear that this strategy was unsuccessful, and Delta realized that they can make more money by using the 764ER on transatlantic routes. Ironically, DL is now using the 764ER the way CO intended to use them.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3627 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
On the positive side, DL's domestic 763s are AVOD-equipped.

Are, or will be equipped? And while on the subject, has the first 763 been reconfigured with AVOD? Also, how many ex-GF birds are left?



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6838 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

I'm flying LAX-ATL-EWR in april and the 764 is still on the schedules when I booked the ticket. I'm taking a 763 and connecting to a 757 though.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3425 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
Are, or will be equipped?

All the domestic 763s have nose-to-tail AVOD already.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
Also, how many ex-GF birds are left?

All of them are still around; 6 are ex-GF and 1 is ex-OZ.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3393 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 13):
I'm flying LAX-ATL-EWR in april and the 764 is still on the schedules when I booked the ticket. I'm taking a 763 and connecting to a 757 though.

Well, the title of the thread says they will be gone from domestic service after May 13. This is basically your last chance to fly on it.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Are they flying JFKLHR or not? Currently JFKLHR is still a 767 through open.


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3):
It looks like you guys will get a 763 or a 752 about every hour down there though. 15 flights a day

Seems like we just got the 764 back after a few months of not having it here.

I miss the L10, M11, 777 days!


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
Are they flying JFKLHR or not? Currently JFKLHR is still a 767 through open.

The new 76Ds (764ERs with full-flats) are still scheduled for LHR-JFK/ATL/DTW (reiterated by Hauenstein at today's earnings call) though no schedules are loaded yet. The daylight JFK-LHR will also be replaced by another evening departuere (presumably a 6-7pm departure out of JFK).


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3083 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
76Ds are PW4000 powered

the 763Ds are mostly GE (all leased) and the four ETOPS are PW.
The 76D(764 with new C seats) are GE

Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 9):
Already some DL 763s parked in the desert at VCV - 132 and 133 included

they have (IIRC) 3 storied 763Ds that they will pull out as needed they rest are retired

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
Are, or will be equipped?

all of the 763Ds are done and have been for a while now

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
And while on the subject, has the first 763 been reconfigured with AVOD?

all 763ERs have DoD/AVOD in C. Once they get the new seats they will get them in Y

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
Also, how many ex-GF birds are left?

all of them plus one OZ/CO bird



yep.
User currently offlineAs777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

That stinks! Seeing the 764 here in ANC was the highlight of my summer!!!!!

I just looked at the schedules, and they are now a 763 Grrrrrrrrrrr

 Angry


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2801 times:



Quoting As777 (Reply 20):
That stinks! Seeing the 764 here in ANC was the highlight of my summer!!!!!

I just looked at the schedules, and they are now a 763 Grrrrrrrrrrr

Interestingly, the schedules show a domestic non-ER 763, not an international 763ER. This seems like it will be the longest route that DL has ever flown with a domestic non-ER 763. At least you will get AVOD.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6838 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2667 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):

Well, the title of the thread says they will be gone from domestic service after May 13. This is basically your last chance to fly on it.

thats okay, because last year I flew ATL-LAX on a 764 and it wasn't that amazing. The service was good, but the plane was not outfitted with PTVs in Y yet.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2215 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2628 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
The new 76Ds (764ERs with full-flats) are still scheduled for LHR-JFK/ATL/DTW (reiterated by Hauenstein at today's earnings call) though no schedules are loaded yet. The daylight JFK-LHR will also be replaced by another evening departuere (presumably a 6-7pm departure out of JFK).

There's also a confirmation that AF will not fly the 3rd daily flight as planned last year. DL/AF are currently bleeding money on the LHR flights. In fact on some days DL is down to a single JFK-LHR. We'll see if things shape up in the long run but things aren't going well at all this winter (even when previous winter's weren't that good in the first place).


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 23):
There's also a confirmation that AF will not fly the 3rd daily flight as planned last year. DL/AF are currently bleeding money on the LHR flights. In fact on some days DL is down to a single JFK-LHR. We'll see if things shape up in the long run but things aren't going well at all this winter (even when previous winter's weren't that good in the first place).

I hear the ATL flight is doing pretty good (look alright load wise) but they are taking a beating on the JFK runs. Maybe they should take a page out of the CO book and run the 75Es in the off season.



yep.
25 Porkchop : I checked the DL website last week, and it was reporting the 764 doing the JFK-ACC route for the dates in June and July that I invetigated.
26 Panamair : The 764 (with the current generation BusinessElite seats) will be doing JFK-BCN, JFK-ACC, and JFK-SVO starting this spring (BCN, SVO start in April,
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