NorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1622 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8009 times:
I guess the question is straight forward enough, do the new upper level A380 gates at Fra mean that LH is adopting an EK style segregated boarding system for the A380 in Fra? with F and J upstairs and boarding directly from upper level lounges to the upper deck with Y encompassing the whole main deck?
Or more generally, any idea how LH is configuring the A380 yet?
I could have elite status if I wanted it, but flying the same airline all the time is boring.
YP6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7868 times:
Yep: F/J Class passengers can board the A380 in FRA using a special lounge area. So Economy and F/J passengers are totally seperated from entering the airport until leaving the plane at the destination airport.
The configuration is not yet public. But there are rumours about even a small Economy section in the rear of the upper deck. Besides there should be 8 First Class seats and the introduction of a completely new First Class design, as well as revised Business Class seats.
NorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1622 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7823 times:
thanks for the info, yp. what amazes me is that it's what, another year before they start getting their 380s and FRA is already A380 ready, very impressive.
I could have elite status if I wanted it, but flying the same airline all the time is boring.
HAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1151 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7545 times:
Quoting YP6370 (Reply 1): Yep: F/J Class passengers can board the A380 in FRA using a special lounge area. So Economy and F/J passengers are totally seperated from entering the airport until leaving the plane at the destination airport.
i flew from FRA to DXB last month on the 747 , despite me being on business class, we boarded from the lounge. it was very nice to avoid the unnecessary congregation at the gate. we went throug the up stairs gate, then there was a blocked path and we were redirected to some kind of stairs until we reached down stairs to the entrance to both jetways, one that said "biz/first" and the other said "economy"
CX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7292 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3): Only 8 F seats on such a big bird? Don't they have 16 or 20 in their 744s?
Quoting YP6370 (Reply 1): The configuration is not yet public. But there are rumours about even a small Economy section in the rear of the upper deck. Besides there should be 8 First Class seats and the introduction of a completely new First Class design, as well as revised Business Class seats.
Currently Lufthansa#s 744 are configured with 16 First-Class seats in the upper deck, yet with the re-launch First-Class will move to the front on the main deck and will be reduced to 8 seats. The Airbus 340/330 stay with 8 seats, so I was told.
Re the rumours about a small Economy section in the rear of the upper deck, one keeps hearing that sales circles are pressing hard to get an Economy Plus product in order to be competitive with other carriers, yet the issue whether this would dilute Business Class revenue remains elusive. But this is galley/sales talk.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 6509 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7277 times:
The possible Y section on an A380 upper deck could be used to accomodate those passengers who pay the full Y fare, which is not that far from C . Actually, an advance booked C ticket might be less than a Y fare booked for the same or next day departure.
LH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2177 posts, RR: 20 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7227 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7): The possible Y section on an A380 upper deck could be used to accomodate those passengers who pay the full Y fare, which is not that far from C . Actually, an advance booked C ticket might be less than a Y fare booked for the same or next day departure.
However, that full fare Y ticket has no cabin service advantage over other Eco tickets .. so there would be no significance in placing full farers near C / J class.
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 6509 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7152 times:
Quoting LH526 (Reply 9): However, that full fare Y ticket has no cabin service advantage over other Eco tickets .. so there would be no significance in placing full farers near C / J class.
No, it would still be a separate caboin, same as F and C are separated. But the full Y passsengers would be sitting in a queter zone. If LH thinks about a Y+ profduct, they would have to include the full Y payers.
LH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2177 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7093 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10): No, it would still be a separate caboin, same as F and C are separated. But the full Y passsengers would be sitting in a queter zone. If LH thinks about a Y+ profduct, they would have to include the full Y payers.
Well, in that case we are talking about a Y+ product, not about a full fare paying pax NOT sitting next to a V class saver tarif. That's a whole different animal and would also go in the direction of more seat pitch, better service, etc ... simmilar to BAs premium eco product.
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 6509 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6966 times:
Well, what I am getting at is, if LH cannot or will not fill the A380 upper deck with F and C seating only and there is room for a small Y cabin at the rear, this would be an opportunity to allocate these seats to full paying Y passengers. May be a better seat pitch but otherwise the same service as "downstairs".
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Babybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3228 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6722 times:
I think it's wrong to totally segregate the F/J passengers from discounted Y passengers.
It makes the F/J experience more valid if you can spy the Y class mob suffering in their cramped little seats. And conversly it also gives the Y class mob something to aspire to and to dream about when they see F/J wafting to their luxury suites. Maybe the F/J pax could watch the Y class pax from their suites on a channel on their super large tv screens.
Being so big the A380 is like a little flying piece of society.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23614 posts, RR: 79 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6648 times:
LH Teknik did prepare a Technical Briefing on the A380-800 back in 2004. The plan shows 8-12 First Class suites in the front of the main deck with 410 Economy seats behind it. The Upper Deck would be solely Business Class with 100 seats.
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3): Only 8 F seats on such a big bird? Don't they have 16 or 20 in their 744s? Has demand for F diminished as Biz class cabins have become more lavish?
Per the same Technical Briefing, if LH went with enclosed suites, it would be four rows of 1+1 and if they went with "pod" suites it would be three rows of 1+2+1.
As for First Class, they (should) board directly from the jetway when they are dropped off by the car from the First Class Terminal.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2014 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6590 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3): Only 8 F seats on such a big bird? Don't they have 16 or 20 in their 744s?
Has demand for F diminished as Biz class cabins have become more lavish?
Well, J seats are constantly being improved. I guess that would take some F demand down, besides all facts about economical downturn etc. AF A380 has 9F planned, similar "small" F cabin. Bottom line is 9F looks small, but one still needs to sell the seats every single day....
SASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 615 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5870 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 14): As for First Class, they (should) board directly from the jetway when they are dropped off by the car from the First Class Terminal
LH First best selling point
I think that if LH settles with a configuration with only 8 seats in F they will most certainly be suites or at least way more stylish and private than their current first seat.
Can't wait to see what LH decides on After all LH will probably be my first 380 experience
Iainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5703 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 15): Well, J seats are constantly being improved. I guess that would take some F demand down, besides all facts about economical downturn etc. AF A380 has 9F planned, similar "small" F cabin. Bottom line is 9F looks small, but one still needs to sell the seats every single day....
This is very true and both the LH F and J seats aren't up to modern standards. 2+2 on the upper deck of the 747 is more like a modern business class. A smaller number of very good F seats combined with the FCT at FRA and the very good catering should make for an excellent experience. I just hope they improve the J seat, coming off the SQ 380 in J onto a LH 744 in J was rather a large come down.
Quoting Babybus (Reply 13): It makes the F/J experience more valid if you can spy the Y class mob suffering in their cramped little seats. And conversly it also gives the Y class mob something to aspire to and to dream about when they see F/J wafting to their luxury suites. Maybe the F/J pax could watch the Y class pax from their suites on a channel on their super large tv screens.
Let us not forget the desperate glancing at boarding passes and row numbers in the vain hope that 72X is actually that nice big comfy seat.
The problem with long-haul J is that it's so good these days, they you can't imagine being back in steerage on longhaul again. I'm desperately trying to work out how to turn a £500 travel budget into a J seat in April for a conference in PHL.
AirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 233 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5303 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 14): LH Teknik did prepare a Technical Briefing on the A380-800 back in 2004. The plan shows 8-12 First Class suites in the front of the main deck with 410 Economy seats behind it. The Upper Deck would be solely Business Class with 100 seats.
That makes perfectly sense. You could board the Suites via door 1 Main Deck, the Business directly to the Upper Deck or through door 1 Main Deck and up the stairs, and the unwashed masses stampede goes through door 2 Main Deck without contact to the premium customers...
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 6319 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 18): That makes perfectly sense. You could board the Suites via door 1 Main Deck, the Business directly to the Upper Deck or through door 1 Main Deck and up the stairs, and the unwashed masses stampede goes through door 2 Main Deck without contact to the premium customers...
Since Lufthansa has the First Class terminal in FRA with car service to teh plane, where First Class is doesn't matter. J Class is on the upper deck, thtose passengers can board from teh Business lounge at the special configured A380 gates the FRA airport has.
Phileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
Quoting YP6370 (Reply 1): F/J Class passengers can board the A380 in FRA using a special lounge area
What about the First Class Terminal? Are A380 F pax not going to use that?
Edit: or is the lounge area gonna be even better!?!
[Edited 2009-01-26 12:42:17]
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YP6370 From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4911 times:
F/Cl passengers can use any StarAlliance lounge they like.
From what I've heard, suites are not planned in F/Cl. There apparently has been a survey among frequent flyers and they prefer a more open cabin e.g. for conversation.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23614 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4647 times:
Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 20): What about the First Class Terminal? Are A380 F pax not going to use that?
They will.
But no planes park at that terminal. Instead, passengers are chauffeured to and from their planes from the First Class Terminal (this has been both my experience and the experiences of others I know).
Phileet92 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4494 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
But no planes park at that terminal. Instead, passengers are chauffeured to and from their planes from the First Class Terminal (this has been both my experience and the experiences of others I know).
wow lucky, but YP6370 said they would board using a special lounge area. so i was kinda wondering, are they gonna be at the F terminal, driven to the lounge area in the main terminal and then board or just not use the F Terminal at all?
Travelling is not all about the destination. its about how you get from point A to point B and everything in between.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23614 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
Quoting Phileet92 (Reply 23): wow lucky, but YP6370 said they would board using a special lounge area. so i was kinda wondering, are they gonna be at the F terminal, driven to the lounge area in the main terminal and then board or just not use the F Terminal at all?
The special lounge area will most likely be for Business Class passengers, though they certainly would not throw a First Class passenger out.
I use the First Class Terminal as much as possible, but if I have a shorter connection time or it's just more convenient, the First Class Lounge in Terminal A is certainly not a bad place to kill an hour or so. I expect it will be the same with the A380 lounges. Most will use the First Class Terminal, but some will use the A380 lounge.
25 DeltaLVr: When is LH due to get their 1st A380 anyway?
27 Viscount724: That would be a bad idea in my opinion. Would result in a very inconsistent product on the A380 compared to other types. Passengers would expect the
28 Stitch: They do park at Terminal 1, but we were discussing the First Class Terminal, which has neither gates nor bridges.
29 Trojanclipper: No offense, but does LH have any plans to upgrade their business class lounges. I fly LH a lot from SFO-FRA-MAD and I almost never use either their bu
30 LX64A332: Since we're talking about LH's new first class seats/suites, could there be a possibility that the new first for LH will be similar or equal to LX's n
31 HAMAD: entirely true, but on short flights, 45 min flights or so, would it be woth paying the price of a first class product?
32 Stitch: All I have seen are some conceptual sketches from about four years ago. Roughly, the two options were either an enclosed suite like SQ/9W or a "pod"
33 Viscount724: LH just opened a new 3-level lounge at JFK, and a new arrivals lounge at FRA. http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html...en/app/show/en/2009/01/887/HOM&s
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