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Saudia New Interior Pics + Destinations / Fleet  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20513 times:

Saudia have quit seasonal routes Vienna and Munich, and will be leasing some A332 which Atlasjet of Turkey will be flying for them, will they be in SV livery? they seem to be operating lots of leased aircraft according to ch-aviation.ch site.

Pics of new interior on 777 photos by someone else, cant differentiate between F and J;

F and/or J class

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009392.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009386.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009391.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009385.jpg

Y class

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009383.jpg
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/aerPakistan/21012009380.jpg

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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20472 times:

It seems:

F 2-2-2
J 2-3-2
Y 3-4-3

I might be wrong, but it really does like Y is 3-4-3.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20471 times:

The interiors look very very nice. It always seems to me that Saudia should be a much much more competitive airline from the gulf region. But it appears Qatar Ethiad and Emirates have pulled ahead of it. Though with these new interiors and there service levels maybe not for long?


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20375 times:

SV Cargo launched new freighter routes to N'djamena and Sharjah wil MD-11.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20305 times:

Icant tell the difference between F and J also . For J class its ok but F class needs something better. Y class is looking very cheap, I dont like it at all. It reminds me of a LCC interior.

SV have gone down hill in recent years. Certainly not what they once were.


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20247 times:

With their strict policies about alcohol, and e.g. women's clothing, I don't think that Saudia will ever become a competitor for the "Westernized" carriers in the region.

User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20038 times:

Thanks for the pics 777way! It's nice to see that my hometown airline is updating the 777's.

I truly feel happy that SV is finally improving its in-flight product.

As far as I could see, whatever that premium class is, be it J or F, it's definitely an improvement over the previous J and F class products.

As for Y class, it definitely looks improved, and the light gray color of the seats look more relaxing than the former dark blue. I think that in order for it to be a truly nice Y class, the seats have to be in a 3-3-3 configuration, and the seat pitch has to be at a minimum of 34".

True, QR, EK and EY have truly succeeded in the GCC region, but don't underestimate SV.

Alcohol? I truly don't think that you need that in order to have a fine premium class product.

Rules on women's clothing? On board SV's aircraft, as well as inside JED, DMM and RUH, as far as I could see, those rules don't apply. If a woman is flying for example JFK-JED-DXB on SV, and she doesn't get out of the terminal at JED, then she shouldn't have to worry about those rules.

All you need is the proper management and a strategy to turn JED into a proper transit airport, as well as improvements in the in-flight product and fleet, and SV could truly become competitive. At the moment, it already has a Y class product which is a lot better than several other airlines that I've flown on. With the availability of 3 international airports, which are JED, RUH and DMM, plus the airline's ability to invest a lot of money into improving itself, SV truly has the potential to compete with the biggest of the GCC's airlines. I know SV and I know what it's financially capable of. It just needs to improve itself in order to be competitive.

[Edited 2009-01-27 12:40:09]

[Edited 2009-01-27 12:42:14]


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19998 times:

There really doesn't look like much differentiation between C and F... just the same seats but slightly wider in F?

User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19675 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 5):
With their strict policies about alcohol, and e.g. women's clothing, I don't think that Saudia will ever become a competitor for the "Westernized" carriers in the region.

I know they don't have Alcohol on board but what are the rules for women?
And do they have all men F/As or do they have women F/A's

Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
Alcohol? I truly don't think that you need that in order to have a fine premium class product.

Just ask any westerner and 90% will agree that free Alcohol makes a good premium product great



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1831 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19651 times:

The First Class is identical to Qatar Airway's business class in its 77W!!


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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19421 times:

The C class seat is the same as AI's on their 77L which are fantastic for 15 to 16 hour flights. The Y seats also appear to be the same except they are narrower than AI's seat who has a 3-3-3 configuration in Y.

User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19251 times:

Quoting N104UA (Reply 8):
I know they don't have Alcohol on board but what are the rules for women?
And do they have all men F/As or do they have women F/A's

Women can wear whatever they want on SV, as long as it's modest clothing.

They have both male and female FA's.

Quoting N104UA (Reply 8):
Just ask any westerner and 90% will agree that free Alcohol makes a good premium product great

I still think that alcohol is not necessary for a premium class product. Keep in mind that SV is based in the country that hosts Islam's two holiest sites, and we have a lot of conservatives in our society, so alcohol will never appear in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia. That being said, if any traveler would prefer to not travel on SV due to the fact that they don't serve alcohol, then that is his or her decision. As long as the seat or suite is comfortable for a long haul flight, and the in-flight service and in-flight entertainment are satisfactory, then I don't see any need for alcohol.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
The First Class is identical to Qatar Airway's business class in its 77W!!

We don't know yet whether it's first class or business class, and even if it's first class, it's still a major improvement over SV's previous first class product. It could be that SV are configuring the 772ER's just like QR did with the 77W's; in other words, having only business class and economy class on the aircraft.

[Edited 2009-01-27 16:47:10]


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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19238 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 2):
It always seems to me that Saudia should be a much much more competitive airline from the gulf region.

= Have you flown with them of late? They are pretty abysmal - but pretty much on standard with other legacies in the region.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):

SV have gone down hill in recent years. Certainly not what they once were.

= They were good once?

Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):

Alcohol? I truly don't think that you need that in order to have a fine premium class product.

= You do though my friend. For SV to succeed (unless it wants to shrink in size), it needs to capture that ever important J/F connecting pax. Except price, what else can SV compete in if they cannot even offer me a glass of wine? I personally find it amusing that they don't serve alcohol. One look at the airport bars in BEY and CAI and you know who are drinking the most.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
All you need is the proper management and a strategy to turn JED into a proper transit airport, as well as improvements in the in-flight product and fleet, and SV could truly become competitive. At the moment, it already has a Y class product which is a lot better than several other airlines that I've flown on. With the availability of 3 international airports, which are JED, RUH and DMM, plus the airline's ability to invest a lot of money into improving itself, SV truly has the potential to compete with the biggest of the GCC's airlines. I know SV and I know what it's financially capable of. It just needs to improve itself in order to be competitive.

= It has a new ad campaign ... besides that, it needs a total refreshing of image to finally compete. SV has a LONG way to go before it becomes competitive ... additionally, it is hampered by the reputation (justified or not) of its operating environment.

Having said all this, I do wish SV well. Competition is never a bad thing and can only be good for the consumer in the long run. Besides, it might actually help make EK regain its stature as a bearable airline  Wink.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19153 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Have you flown with them of late? They are pretty abysmal - but pretty much on standard with other legacies in the region.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
They were good once?

That's your opinion, and to each his own. However, the reality is that SV offers a product which is far better than many other airlines that I've flown on. For example, as far as I could see, SV's business class is better than NW's domestic first class product. There's room for improvement, but their in-flight product is more than acceptable in my opinion.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
You do though my friend. For SV to succeed (unless it wants to shrink in size), it needs to capture that ever important J/F connecting pax. Except price, what else can SV compete in if they cannot even offer me a glass of wine? I personally find it amusing that they don't serve alcohol. One look at the airport bars in BEY and CAI and you know who are drinking the most.

Read my comment about alcohol in reply 11.

I'd like to know what you mean by the people in BEY and CAI.

Also, what you may find amusing, others will find mandatory. A lot, if not all of the people in Saudi Arabia are conservatives, so you will never see alcohol being served in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia; this country has a vastly different culture then what you expect in your country. The business culture of an airline has to take into account the culture of the country that it's based in. That being said, I'm pretty sure that a lot of passengers will think that the ticket price and comfort are higher priorities than alcohol.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
It has a new ad campaign ... besides that, it needs a total refreshing of image to finally compete. SV has a LONG way to go before it becomes competitive ... additionally, it is hampered by the reputation (justified or not) of its operating environment.

Having said all this, I do wish SV well. Competition is never a bad thing and can only be good for the consumer in the long run. Besides, it might actually help make EK regain its stature as a bearable airline.

No country is perfect, and Saudi Arabia is no exception. That being said, as I've said before in this thread, SV does have the potential to be competitive; it doesn't necessarily have a long way to go for that. All it needs are the proper management and proper planning in order for it to be successful.

[Edited 2009-01-27 17:23:43]

[Edited 2009-01-27 17:36:22]

[Edited 2009-01-27 17:37:17]

[Edited 2009-01-27 17:37:48]

[Edited 2009-01-27 17:49:52]


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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19114 times:

KSA has very draconian visa systems in place. Do you need to get a transit visa if you are just staying the airport?

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3474 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19064 times:
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Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= They were good once?

Believe or not,yes.The food was the best in the air.SV were the first to introduce the lay flat beds in F.On there 742 and Tristars.Service was also very good and flights were on time.Do not know why when they got the last bunch of planes from Boeing the choice of the interior was really terrible.



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19037 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 13):
Also, what you may find amusing, others will find mandatory. A lot, if not all of the people in Saudi Arabia are conservatives, so you will never see alcohol being served in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia. This is a vastly different culture then what you expect in your country. The business culture of an airline has to take into account the culture of the country that it's based in.

I see your point, but it's not like alcohol would be shoved down everyone's throat. People have a choice of whether to get it or not. If you are conservative, just don't order alcohol and let others order it. To me, there is no loss for serving alcohol.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 13):
hat being said, I'm pretty sure that a lot of passengers will think that the ticket price and comfort are higher priorities than alcohol.

Looking at a sample itinerary from LHR to ISB, SV is definitely not the cheapest. In fact, GF, EK, EY, QR, and BA are all cheaper.


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18970 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14):
KSA has very draconian visa systems in place.

For a long time, Saudi Arabia has not exactly been open to the rest of world except for immigrant workers and visitors for Hajj and Umrah. Despite this, the country has recently started to issue tourist visas.

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14):
Do you need to get a transit visa if you are just staying the airport?

Travelers transiting in Saudi Arabia for less than 18 hours do not need a transit visa.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 15):
Believe or not,yes.The food was the best in the air.SV were the first to introduce the lay flat beds in F.On there 742 and Tristars.Service was also very good and flights were on time.Do not know why when they got the last bunch of planes from Boeing the choice of the interior was really terrible.

Hopefully the fact that they revised the interior of the 772ER's is a sign that they want to improve all aspects of the in-flight product.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 16):
People have a choice of whether to get it or not. If you are conservative, just don't order alcohol and let others order it. To me, there is no loss for serving alcohol.

It's a lot more complicated than you think.

Personally, I consider myself a moderate. Also, I don't drink alcohol.

That being said, let's just say that it's a very bad idea to introduce alcohol on SV. It will do a lot more bad than good, and I know this because of the culture in Saudi Arabia. I don't interfere with people's preferences towards alcohol.

Introducing alcohol in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia will bring a whole lot of trouble to that airline.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 16):
Looking at a sample itinerary from LHR to ISB, SV is definitely not the cheapest. In fact, GF, EK, EY, QR, and BA are all cheaper.

Well, if SV does want to become competitive, then they will have to lower their fares for at least some of their international flights.

[Edited 2009-01-27 18:09:09]

[Edited 2009-01-27 18:16:37]


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18741 times:

SV has a larger selection of Juices on board to kind of fix the Liquor absence, such as stuff like Apricot Nectar, its pretty good.

I have flown on SV many times in both the old and newer ones, this new interior looks fine, but I am used to the blue not the purple though. Even the black F class seats on the old 300s. that was nice with gold trim.

Food was a bit nice in Y class, I remember getting 3 meal choices even in Y. First class and Business service was good too.

SV is the only airline I have ever flown in international F class Big grin kinda crummy I never tried any other international F class service.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4916 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18724 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
Alcohol? I truly don't think that you need that in order to have a fine premium class product.

Umm, no alcohol... No offense but alcohol attracts probably 90% of the market as mentioned by N104UA...
If SV would like to become a competitor, move with the times and serve alcohol...

Quoting N104UA (Reply 8):
Just ask any westerner and 90% will agree that free Alcohol makes a good premium product great

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Quoting Eightball (Reply 11):
Women can wear whatever they want on SV, as long as it's modest clothing.

Care to specify in further detail as to what modest clothing SV classify as being acceptable...?

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
For SV to succeed (unless it wants to shrink in size), it needs to capture that ever important J/F connecting pax.

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To succeed and compete with carriers of the likes of EK,QR,EY... SV must change its in-flight service policy...

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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18536 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
It's a lot more complicated than you think.

Personally, I consider myself a moderate. Also, I don't drink alcohol.

That being said, let's just say that it's a very bad idea to introduce alcohol on SV. It will do a lot more bad than good, and I know this because of the culture in Saudi Arabia. I don't interfere with people's preferences towards alcohol.

Introducing alcohol in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia will bring a whole lot of trouble to that airline.

I see where your coming from but as a westerner, I am not really able to understand your point. To me, it's almost like Air India refusing to serve chicken on their flights because they are based in India and a lot of their passengers are vegetarian. AI serves both chicken and vegetarian options to please all passengers. Apparently there is a cultural difference that I'm not aware of, however.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18410 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 13):
That's your opinion, and to each his own. However, the reality is that SV offers a product which is far better than many other airlines that I've flown on. For example, as far as I could see, SV's business class is better than NW's domestic first class product. There's room for improvement, but their in-flight product is more than acceptable in my opinion.

= I have flown SV and think it is pretty crap ... and you're right, it is my opinion. However, do you really think SV will win people over if their J class in better than NW's domestic F? More so in a region with above-average carriers like EY, QR, ME, and GF?

Quoting Eightball (Reply 13):

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
You do though my friend. For SV to succeed (unless it wants to shrink in size), it needs to capture that ever important J/F connecting pax. Except price, what else can SV compete in if they cannot even offer me a glass of wine? I personally find it amusing that they don't serve alcohol. One look at the airport bars in BEY and CAI and you know who are drinking the most.

Read my comment about alcohol in reply 11.

I'd like to know what you mean by the people in BEY and CAI.

Also, what you may find amusing, others will find mandatory. A lot, if not all of the people in Saudi Arabia are conservatives, so you will never see alcohol being served in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia; this country has a vastly different culture then what you expect in your country. The business culture of an airline has to take into account the culture of the country that it's based in. That being said, I'm pretty sure that a lot of passengers will think that the ticket price and comfort are higher priorities than alcohol.

= Man, I have been to Saudi Arabia several times over and actually have been going back and forth for the past month and a half. I understand the culture. It might not be something I endorse, but recognize the difference in cultural upbringings. Having said that, IF you want SV to succeed, it HAS to go beyond the confines of its cultural boundaries. While the Saudi (along with Iran) are the few strong domestic markets in the Mid East, for SV to be a truly global carrier, it MUST embrace a diverse world and her needs. These diverse passenger set could give a rat's ass about Saudi culture. Sorry to be blunt but a lot of J pax (including myself) want a glass of wine with my meal. I can recognize SV's cultural constraint ... but why should I spend my money to endorse it? Do you now understand how having Saudi roots can restrict SV's growth?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 15):
Believe or not,yes.The food was the best in the air.SV were the first to introduce the lay flat beds in F.On there 742 and Tristars.Service was also very good and flights were on time.Do not know why when they got the last bunch of planes from Boeing the choice of the interior was really terrible.

= SV had good food on-board during a brief period from 1990 to 1993 when its executive chef was from the Oberoi hotel chain in India. Besides this time, I don't recall SV food being "the best in the air". Also, I was not aware that SV were the first to introduce lie flat beds in F. I can recall the PanAm 377's having beds. In "modern" times, both JL had beds on the upper deck. The modern lie-flat bed was introduced in F by BA in 1996 if memory serves me right.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 17):
It's a lot more complicated than you think.

Personally, I consider myself a moderate. Also, I don't drink alcohol.

That being said, let's just say that it's a very bad idea to introduce alcohol on SV. It will do a lot more bad than good, and I know this because of the culture in Saudi Arabia. I don't interfere with people's preferences towards alcohol.

Introducing alcohol in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia will bring a whole lot of trouble to that airline.

= If you don't interfere with people's preference towards alcohol, let them have it. I agree that it might bring a lot of trouble to the airline ... but then again, it must make a decision on who it wants to be.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18316 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
Rules on women's clothing? On board SV's aircraft, as well as inside JED, DMM and RUH, as far as I could see, those rules don't apply. If a woman is flying for example JFK-JED-DXB on SV, and she doesn't get out of the terminal at JED, then she shouldn't have to worry about those rules

I guess that's true, but IMO it would be better for business if she didn't have to worry at all.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 11):
I still think that alcohol is not necessary for a premium class product. Keep in mind that SV is based in the country that hosts Islam's two holiest sites, and we have a lot of conservatives in our society, so alcohol will never appear in an airline that's based in Saudi Arabia. That being said, if any traveler would prefer to not travel on SV due to the fact that they don't serve alcohol, then that is his or her decision.

But a western businessman wants to relax on his flights, and alcohol is naturally a part of that in our culture. When picking a flight between EK and SV and a colleague points out that SV doesn't serve alcohol, a westerner is more likely to pick EK. Keep in mind that in order to make a substantial profit, like Emirates, Qatar, etc, SV needs to attract Westerners.

Overall though, apart from the 3-4-3 Y config, I think the photos look great and that it looks classy. I'm sure this will make it a fiercer competitor in the region and I wish the best of lucj to SV!



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17292 times:



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 1):
It seems:

F 2-2-2
J 2-3-2
Y 3-4-3

I might be wrong, but it really does like Y is 3-4-3.

SV 772 Y class is configured in 3-4-2


User currently offlineNetdhaka From Bangladesh, joined Feb 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17101 times:

I think SV should offer very competitive price or even lower prices compared to other middle eastern airlines and ease visa restrictions. Offering more flights will be an added bonus.

I don't think SV should serve alcohol. They should figure out other aspects of service that would attract passengers. I do think, however, that it is possible to near achieve what other airlines in the region have achieved without the alcohol.

Everyone (almost) in this world has boundaries for their actions. If serving Alcohol is outside the boundary of SV, so be it. Then figure out other ways to make money within that boundary!

By the way, nice photos. I like the J class configuration, hopefully someday I will get to try them!


25 AirIndia : thats quiet odd. parddon my ignorance but i have not noticed a 9 abreast config in 3-4-2 arrangement, but rather 3-3-3 arrangement. well, in the 3-4-
26 Eightball : Crikey.... This thread has turned into a real debate. What I meant is pretty much the same kind of clothing that people usually travel in. Nothing spe
27 Airxliban : I have flown Saudia no fewer than 78 times in the last 1.5 years, 90% of the time between DXB/AUH and RUH/JED/DMM or domestic flights RUH/JED to YNB o
28 HAMAD : buddy, it doesn't have to be the american way, what makes a fine product in your region, doesnt necessarily mean its a fine product in another region
29 LH423 : RE: Alcohol. Yes, SV doesn't NEED to serve alcohol in order to have a good product. However, fact is most non-Muslims may be deterred from travelling
30 Pagophilus : It's not cultural, it's a question of religion and morality. It would be like the national airline of a Hindu (not secular) Indian state serving beef
31 Doona : AFAIK, and correct me if I'm wrong, chicken is not illegal in India? Cheers Mats
32 LH431 : I disagree! It's an important thing for me. I would always avoid SV, MS an BI (?) because of that alcohol-ban. BTW: Is it allowed to at SV to "bring
33 F9Animal : I really like the interiors! They are very easy on the eyes. I have to tip my hat to Saudi, they have a very comfy looking cabin. Thanks for sharing!
34 B742 : According to Amadeus they will be used on the following routes... Dammam - Riyadh - London Heathrow Jeddah - London Heathrow* Jeddah - Vienna - Munich
35 Aviationbuff : No it is not. Improve the terminal. Where are the aerobridges, just imagine you get out of an aircraft in the afternoon during summer where the tempe
36 Aviationbuff : Bingo....I fully agree. I enjoy it, even though it is not a match to other FF programs. Nothing as such, there is no such restriction.
37 HAMAD : Qatar and EK serve food on 45 min flights on all classes
38 MotorHussy : Is it because people with serious money in this country have their own aeroplanes that their premium classes appear so ill equipped or am I missing so
39 Jfazzer : At the start of this post it said that Vienna will be dropped seasonally. Does this mean the MAN segment will be dropped also or will they just go dir
40 HUYfan : The SV Manchester flights operate via Geneva, not Vienna. Regards Mike
41 Malaysia : Maybe its Beef thats far worse to serve than chicken in India though. Well too bad I cant order my Smoked Pork meal on SV
42 Jfazzer : Thanks Mike for pointing out my stupidity!! lol
43 Babybus : You forgot to mention that it's the females who do all the work! The guys are normally asleep across the seats if you can find them in the passenger
44 RUHFlyer : Wow.. great improvement ! I haven't really thought they would improve their product this quickly. Although I don't like the colors and was kind of hop
45 USFlyer MSP : KLM has this configuration in its MD-11 fleet.
46 SQ_EK_freak : They do, I have seen them clear formalities in several airports - that said, they are almost all either from the Philippines or Indonesia, maybe even
47 Ctbarnes : I flew Saudia about a dozen years ago on a 743 and it was an interesting experience. The FA's were almost all female, and from the UK were all Irish.
48 777way : Yes older F and J seats were exactly the same, only configuration was different as in 2-2-2 and 2-3-2, I woudl ahve thought they'd have different sea
49 Abrelosojos : = Completely agreed. However, it then becomes contradictory as SV obviously feels that it can only make money by aiming at J connecting pax. = This I
50 Abrelosojos : = No one is denying or questioning the morality of alcohol being forbidden in Islamic teaching. The issue at hand is whether SV's new brand overhaul
51 Avalon2862 : 100% agreed with everything you said! I'm an American.. I fly F class 98% of the time, both at home and abroad. I've flown nearly every major carrier
52 Viscount724 : They used to but not now. When KL replaced all the seats on their MD-11s a year or two ago they switched to 3-3-3 in Y class.
53 777way : Exactly, if EK, QR, EY etc. stopped serving aclcohol would they would be deemed inferior, while maintaing world class product and service standards.
54 Kiramakora : Yet, they have not. Why? Especially given all the apparent religions restrictions in their home state.[Edited 2009-01-28 12:14:59]
55 Pagophilus : I hear you, however we are talking a strict Muslim state here. Being morally upright means standing up for your beliefs and moral values, even at the
56 RUHFlyer : Nope I am not contradicting myself. Not having alcohol doesn't mean you can't be a big network carrier. Because it is just an inflight service/produc
57 MillwallSean : SV is an interesting carrier and its interesting that we talk about the carrier here instead of the usual DL vs CO etc. However its rather sad that th
58 Directorguy : Hehe...true With all due respect, I disagree. It is ALL about Saudi culture, not religion and morality. As a Muslim, I fully support drinking alcohol
59 Beaucaire : Saudia not serving alcoholis is a religious-political choice they have to live with. If I was prepared to fly any long distance in Y,C or even F class
60 RUHFlyer : I don't know why there is much hatred in you for Saudi and its culture !! and please don't talk about religion because clearly you don't know nothing
61 Alphaomega : SV is increasing their flights to IAD beginning May 15 with a 772 on Sunday, Wednesday and Friday, changing to a 77L later in the summer...has SV orde
62 MHTripple7 : No, SV has not ordered the 77L and will not be getting the 77L. The "77L" is the code for this newly configured 772 in the GDS.
63 Directorguy : I'm terribly sorry I offended you but I most certainly do not have hatred for Saudis, their culture or their countries. I am just being critical, whi
64 Alphaomega : Thanks for the info! I saw it and I had my doubts about the LR, but I was hopeful haha.
65 SOBHI51 : SQ banned sex in there F class double beds on the 380 even for married couples.Do not see an outrage from you about that Look religion is a way of li
66 SOBHI51 : You are contradicting yourself here.you are a Muslim,Islam forbid alcohol,you drink,your choice but please do not try to explain religion your way. N
67 Cedars747 : Hello Sobhi ! I totally agree with you .Once I flew from YUL to MIA on Ladeco and one of the pax maneged to ruin the flight because he was drunk. Ale
68 L410Turbolet : I think that sums up the whole thread in a single sentence. If an AIRLINE feels their primary mission is not TRANSPORTING safely and comfortably peop
69 Directorguy : I support the right to drink alcohol, but I do not drink alcohol. I'm not even 18. I was referring to MS's state of operations in the 1990s, but stil
70 SOBHI51 : Some enjoy sex more than a glass of wine with a meal. I am against people interpreting religion the way it suits them.Look at those extremists what t
71 SOBHI51 : And Saudia does not transport pax from A to B safely? Look you have a choice you want a drink travel with another airline.Drinking is not that import
72 LXA340 : Their new Business and First Class cabins looks simmilar to the new C and F on LY for me both products are a joke as those First Class seats are noth
73 Post contains links RUHFlyer : this is the company that designed the new cabins http://www.aviointeriors.it/
74 Airxliban : 78 flights on Saudia for me since summer 2007 and the answer is clear: 1. I will do anything to fly SV over Emirates between Dubai and anywhere in KSA
75 Aviationbuff : The first comment says it all. (Just joking mate) Agree.
76 RUHFlyer : Some routes are better with SV than other carriers (example: AF's A320 OS's A320 .. there is even no IFE !).. and lets not even talk about taking EK,
77 FatmirJusufi : Great interior. Love the F Cabin especially. Agree
78 Airlittoral : I was expecting this thread to deviate from its original topic and become a pro vs. anti alcohol debate... Anyway, in my view, there are far important
79 PA101 : Hmm, let me give you guys my two cents: 1. Yes, I enjoy a glass of beer or wine and highly appreciate a free drink onboard, but I can live without it
80 SOBHI51 : Those are words of a very wise guy.Thank you SV at this moment needs a lot of work hope somebdy from management is reading this.It is really a shame
81 Airxliban : Well...maybe you get a 777 instead of a 320. So I guess from a comfort view SV is better at least in Y class. But still I would go for AF since I am
82 Aviationbuff : I Agree. They have to start with reservations. Its very very difficult to get reservation on some sectors and if you somehow manage to get it. You wi
83 SOBHI51 : Let's hope they read it first.i am sure that they get a lot of complaints. I am with you about the church's situation.But who is trying to convert yo
84 Babybus : The thing is that BA will provide special meals for Muslim customers and even seat families together for cultural reasons. So how come SV don't serve
85 SOBHI51 : The alcohol ban on SV is because of religious reasons.BA usually try to seat any family together being Muslim or not.They also provide Kosher meals,l
86 Airxliban : I have been made offers to convert - to which I say that if God wanted me to be Muslim he would have made me born a Muslim. And you can imagine on 78
87 JAL : Finally, Saudi Arabian did some much needed upgrades!
88 Directorguy : Why would Saudi Arabian NEED to offer a solid premium product and pit itself against Gulf Air, Etihad, Emirates, Qatar Airways, to a lesser extent Sin
89 Post contains images FatmirJusufi : Fatmir
90 Airxliban : Oh yes, and they have it worse than Christians! Shia...druze...others. Sure - and that is annoying too, you just want to punch them in the face. The
91 SOBHI51 : I bet a lot of those will be your Saudi co-workers.Maybe they like you so much and in there mind they are doing you a service trying to save your sou
92 L410Turbolet : Because they feel their mission is to make money out of people, not indoctrinate people in midair. Where did I say "muslim" or "Koran"...??? It was m
93 SOBHI51 : And can you tell me who is doing it?i flew SV hundreds of time never felt any of what you are wrongly stating.
94 RUHFlyer : what a load of crap! no one is trying to shove anything down anybody's throat ! Did you ever even take SV in the first place?!
95 Directorguy : Let me add something else-Muslims in Saudi Arabia would sometimes pester me and my family about certain things. For example, if my mother was in a ma
96 AirIndia : All religions have radicals who will try to push their religions on to other people. I have had Saudi colleagues who have lectured me on Islam and I h
97 SOBHI51 : I think what you heard is wrong.Usually luggage go through x-ray machines and they will not detect pictures.As for crosses they will requested to be
98 Directorguy : I never heard about the spray black paint part. I know the Saudi censors have been known to spray books and magazines, but never personal photographs
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