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DL Adding GTR-MEM  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 4384 times:

http://www.cdispatch.com/articles/2009/01/27/local_news/local02.txt

Beginning May 4, DL will add GTR-MEM. Service will be 2x daily Saabs.

The service is not yet bookable on either DL or MEM; and it doesn't appear as if its been filed with the OAG.

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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Is GTR the mystery bridge city to ATL for the Saabs? That would make some sense, but when does ATL-HHH start?


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User currently offlineBhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

ATL - HHH begins 2MAR09 on SF3.

User currently offlineDLCnxGPTJAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3939 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Is GTR the mystery bridge city to ATL for the Saabs? That would make some sense, but when does ATL-HHH start?

I believe TRI will be the "bridge city" to ATL. The schedules show the saabs doing ATL-HHH and ATL-TRI runs for now.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3908 times:



Quoting DLCnxGPTJAX (Reply 3):
I believe TRI will be the "bridge city" to ATL. The schedules show the saabs doing ATL-HHH and ATL-TRI runs for now.

Thanks; with TRI already being the bridge city between DTW and MEM, that makes some sense.



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User currently offlineDLCnxGPTJAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3837 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):

I believe TRI will be the "bridge city" to ATL. The schedules show the saabs doing ATL-HHH and ATL-TRI runs for now.

Thanks; with TRI already being the bridge city between DTW and MEM, that makes some sense.

I guess it does. I'm just making an assumption, I don't know for sure. I was just looking at the schedules and made a guess.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3821 times:



Quoting DLCnxGPTJAX (Reply 5):
I was just looking at the schedules and made a guess.

If TRI and HHH are the only ATL Saab cities, TRI must be it. Or are there other new Saab routes?



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User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

NW got rid of the TRI - MEM routing for their startup of ATL - TRI. The flight is going TRI - DTW 1x a day starting 2MAR09.

User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3456 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):

If TRI and HHH are the only ATL Saab cities, TRI must be it. Or are there other new Saab routes?

The entire point of this thread is MEM-TRI, and DL currently gives them CR2 service to ATL - speculation is that they may be using GTR as a second bridge city.


User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

The March sked shows two flights between TRI-DTW with block times of 2 hours from DTW-TRI and between 2:14-2:20 from TRI-DTW. That's a long time on a Saab. The TRI-ATL service on the Saabs is also twice daily.

I think a big point here to note is what this means to Memphis. Yes, it's only two new flights to a small size city in MS, but if DL was going to reduce Memphis, they wouldn't add service on this type of routing, when there might be bigger 'fish' to go after. If GTR was a bridge, it would be more understandable.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3417 times:



Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 9):
I think a big point here to note is what this means to Memphis. Yes, it's only two new flights to a small size city in MS, but if DL was going to reduce Memphis, they wouldn't add service on this type of routing, when there might be bigger 'fish' to go after. If GTR was a bridge, it would be more understandable.

I agree. By adding capacity to existing hubs AND starting NEW regional services to TX, MO, and now MS - and not all at once - it shows that atleast for the forseeable future, MEM will stay. That makes perfect sense as well. MEM is a very effecient, right sized, low cost airport.

While its O&D is nothing like that of ATL - take note of this: the percentage of O&D to connecting passengers for ATL and MEM is virtually the same. The markets not as large, but neither is the hub. As I said, its "right sized"


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3401 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 8):
speculation is that they may be using GTR as a second bridge city.

 checkmark I suspect there may be some additional Saab flying at ATL which starts in early May (I started a separate thread about it so that we might stay on-topic here).

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 10):
By adding capacity to existing hubs AND starting NEW regional services to TX, MO, and now MS - and not all at once - it shows that atleast for the forseeable future, MEM will stay. That makes perfect sense as well. MEM is a very effecient, right sized, low cost airport.

 checkmark I believe that MEM has seen more new destinations since the merger than any other hub.



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3368 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
I believe that MEM has seen more new destinations since the merger than any other hub.

They sure do. The existing schedule stays entirely intact and they've gained!! I may be MSP based, but I have many many close friends in MEM and I can say I'm overjoyed by the fact that DL has embraced the MEM hub. Thanks Delta!!



Good goes around!
User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

I went to MSU in Starkville, MS Smile

It used to be a tiny little airport in the middle of no where 15 years ago. How are traffic numbers now?

Just curious!!

OURBOEING


User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 898 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2513 times:



Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 13):
I went to MSU in Starkville, MS

It used to be a tiny little airport in the middle of no where 15 years ago. How are traffic numbers now?

Just curious!!

Still tiny. The last time I was in it the terminal was nice and there is ample ramp space.

Should be no issue in handeling the new service.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2506 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
I believe that MEM has seen more new destinations since the merger than any other hub.

IIRC its 3rd
ATL first
JFK 2nd (even though its new routes are dropping left and right)
then MEM



yep.
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2464 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
IIRC its 3rd
ATL first
JFK 2nd (even though its new routes are dropping left and right)
then MEM

What, announced since October 29, 2008, has ATL and JFK gained that they have not already been canned?

MEM has gained McAllen, Lubbuck, JFK, and Columbus, MS.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2464 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 16):
MEM has gained McAllen, Lubbuck, JFK, and Columbus, MS.

...and SLC.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2458 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
...and SLC.

Right right! So thats five destinations. So have JFK and ATL, the supposed #1 and #2 gainers, gotten six or more new destinations in the last four months?


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2432 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
I suspect there may be some additional Saab flying at ATL which starts in early May (I started a separate thread about it so that we might stay on-topic here).

I would tend to agree with this. Although for March/April it looks like XJ Saabs will be bridging between MEM and DTW over LEX (and then between DTW and ATL over TRI), it would make sense if Delta provided themselves both with a direct MEM-XXX-ATL bridge route (in addition to increased ATL Saab flying in general). GTR would make perfect sense for that bridge city.

Personally, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they play around with different bridge cities between MEM and DTW...I could see EVV as another potential candidate. Of course, I could also see them reinstating MEM-TRI on the Saab sometime down the road to allow direct bridging in all directions between MEM/DTW/ATL at one location.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2409 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 19):
Personally, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they play around with different bridge cities between MEM and DTW...I could see EVV as another potential candidate. Of course, I could also see them reinstating MEM-TRI on the Saab sometime down the road to allow direct bridging in all directions between MEM/DTW/ATL at one location.

There really is no need for a MEM-xxx-ATL Saab bridge. A DTW bridge is sufficient for crews & aircraft as needed. Bridging aircraft to MEM doesn't do much since XJ doesn't do much maintenance in MEM. They do have a hanger in DTW though.

TRI, LEX, and ROA (Saab comes back in Feb from DTW) are all possible. TRI likely makes the most sense out of the three for the long-term.


User currently offlinePwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2408 times:



Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 14):

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 13):
I went to MSU in Starkville, MS

It used to be a tiny little airport in the middle of no where 15 years ago. How are traffic numbers now?

Just curious!!

I fly into there about once a year to visit family, and it's still pretty small. But the terminal building is really nice for such a small passenger facility! GTR has actually lost quite a bit of service over the last 15 years. For the last couple years, it's just been DL CRJ-200's to ATL about three times per day. There was a DFW flight until 2005. Until a couple years ago, NW SF-340's to MEM operated as well. And in the mid 1990's, there was also AA Eagle, flying to BNA, with either 340's or Jetstream 31's? (Can't remember which) So you would have had all three airlines operating at GTR simultaneously for a time. I suspect nearby Columbus AFB feeds GTR a large percentage of it's traffic? It's a large introductory and advanced pilot training base just a few miles away.

They extended the runway to 6,500ft within the last decade, and I've seen charters on Flightaware come in there with 727's, 737's, and DC-9's occasionally.

Also, American Eurocopter, a subsidiary of EADS North America, moved into an 85,000-square-foot (7,900 m2) helicopter production plant built by the airport and leased to the company on airport property in 2004. In 2007 American Eurocopter finished the second phase of the project, a 220,000-square-foot (20,000 m2) facility built primarily to manufacture and assemble the new U.S. Army UH-72A Lakota Light Utility Helicopter.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22917 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2398 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 20):

TRI, LEX, and ROA (Saab comes back in Feb from DTW) are all possible. TRI likely makes the most sense out of the three for the long-term.

CRW is possible too.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 20):
There really is no need for a MEM-xxx-ATL Saab bridge. A DTW bridge is sufficient for crews & aircraft as needed. Bridging aircraft to MEM doesn't do much since XJ doesn't do much maintenance in MEM.

 checkmark If there are cities in Alabama and Mississippi (MEI or MGM, for instance), from which Saab service from both MEM and ATL would be desirable, though, there's a possibility of bridging there. As you say, it wouldn't be a necessity, but it would permit greater flexibility.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2393 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
  If there are cities in Alabama and Mississippi (MEI or MGM, for instance), from which Saab service from both MEM and ATL would be desirable, though, there's a possibility of bridging there. As you say, it wouldn't be a necessity, but it would permit greater flexibility.

MGM would be good in that regard, however MEI is on EAS to ATL, where the Saab to MEM was more expensive than the CR2 to ATL. HSV/BHM are other opportunities, but I don't see those happening.

TUP had, until last year, both ATL and MEM. The ATL service was on CR2s - I wonder if it would do any better with a Saab? (Though according to the EAS app for MEI, the answer is no.)


User currently offlinePwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2375 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 23):
TUP had, until last year, both ATL and MEM. The ATL service was on CR2s - I wonder if it would do any better with a Saab? (Though according to the EAS app for MEI, the answer is no.)

Yes, TUP, GTR, and MEI all had turbprop service to both MEM and ATL not too long ago. Northwest Airlink Saabs to MEM, and DL ASA EMB-120's to ATL. Until the RJ invasion.

Then you have JAN which isn't more the 1200 miles from either three of these smaller regionals, and they've long support mainline DL to ATL, and formally DFW, mainline Northwest to MEM. SW to DAL, MCO, ELP, MDW. Valuejet to ATL.

I think there was also mainline AA at one point, and possibly mainline TW to STL. If not mainline, than there was TW Express.


25 PSU.DTW.SCE : CRW, and ROA from ATL are getting a little long and not necessarily feasible considering the demand on these routes from ATL. TRI & LEX are the most i
26 Kcrwflyer : I was hoping we'd stay below this threads radar, but: I think TRI is the optimum city to channel saabs through. Primarily because their markets been
27 Cubsrule : An ATR is larger than a 50-seat CRJ, though. If anything, a route that was regularly seeing (and filling) ATRs would be LESS likely to see Saab servi
28 DeltaL1011man : 1)ATL-JNB n/s 2)ATL-NRT n/s 744 3)ATL-SID-LAD 4)ATL-DKR-CPT 5)ATL-DKR-NBO 6)ATL-SID-ROB 7)ATL-SID-SSG 8)ATL-SID-ABV JFK: 1)JFK-PRG 2)JFK-ZRH 3)JFK-NR
29 Cubsrule : CWA has a couple of Saab RONs, so it's possible to bridge aircraft there. AFAIK, the only 'forced' bridge right now is at MQT.
30 MOBflyer : Okay.... so ATL nets 3 new nonstop destinations, JFK 5, and MEM 5. And MEM is the domestic winner.
31 DeltaL1011man : I agree with this But they didn't say domestic
32 Cubsrule : That makes me wonder if they might think about moving some of the MEM EAS contracts (I'm thinking specifically of COU and PAH) to jet service to othe
33 MOBflyer : I wouldn't think so. In the case of MEI, it was more expensive to run the Saabs. But it is far further to run those jets to ATL vs props to MEM, so I
34 Cubsrule : I was thinking more of jets to MEM... of course, if they can't fill the aircraft (but can at MEI), that might factor in to things too.
35 Kcrwflyer : ATR's had more seats than cr2, but were used on only shorter routes from ATL routes in recent years. This is why TRI saw them. Its not like DL was in
36 Cubsrule : Correct, but not all shorter routes. CAE, which saw (and sees) plenty of 50-seaters but no ATRs comes to mind.
37 Floridaflyboy : One interesting fact about the saab bridges between DTW and MSP via MQT and CWA is that they're used only by DTW crews. They do some MSP saab flying
38 Cubsrule : Did/do both DTW and MEM crews use the TRI bridge?
39 Lexy : I feel very confident that PAH could support 50 seat service to ATL. That's a city with a number of government jobs and a bunch of high paying jobs i
40 Floridaflyboy : You know, I'm not sure. I know for sure MEM bridges to DTW, but I don't know any DTW crewmembers who do much Saab flying. I'd imagine that one works
41 KaiGywer : CWA is our Saab maintenance base, so planes are "bridged" there all the time. I might be wrong, but I though we were supposed to do MSP-IMT-ESC as we
42 Cubsrule : Here's what I see... looks like they aren't bridging up there now. NW3081 MSP 1430 IMT 1606 SF3 Daily NW3081 IMT 1636 ESC 1818 SF3 Daily NW3080 ESC 1
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