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Are There Any B747 Intra-European Routes?  
User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Hello folks

A debate in our office:
Are there any Intra-European routes still operated by B747?

I've read
http://www1.airliners.net/aviation-f...eneral_aviation/read.main/1275494/

I remember
QF LHR-MAN
SR ZRH-GVA
SQ ZRH-MAN/AMS
But those are all dead now.

Anything left at all?

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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

During summer peak, AF used to operate B747s from ORY to NCE and Corsica (AJA).
Now it is with B773ER..


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

Syrian Air used to operate LHR-MAN with their 74L's.

I don't think they had rights for London-Manchester sector however.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

I believe CORSAIR (actualy CorsairFly) is one of the very few European airline to use regularly its B744 on intra-European charter routes to/from its ORY base.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 1):
During summer peak, AF used to operate B747s from ORY to NCE and Corsica (AJA).
Now it is with B773ER..

The B773ER are used by AF on ORY-NCE and ORY-BIA.
The B773ER can not be used to AJA.


User currently offlineStandby87 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2001, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

Thanks folks - it looks like the end, but will checkout Corsair on the system...

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

not intraeuropean but very close: LH flies the 747 to TLV

User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12572 times:

In 1989 when LH took delivery of the 747-400 they were using it on FRA-HAM initially. I'm not sure how long that lasted though.


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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12538 times:

Transaero sends 747 to BCN and other holiday destinations from DME.

User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

IB used to send the 747 to TFN and LPA, now they are using A340 is some flights.
SQ used the 747 on their MAD-CDG-SIN flight, as well as TG on the MAD-FCO-BKK. Now both of them are gone...
During the summer, Air Pullmantur is operating series of cruise charters with their B744s to HEL, VCE and ATH, also from MAD


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

Doesn't Air Pullmantur fly its 747s to the UK during Football season?


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6808 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Probably only cargo now with CX, CA amongst others making various stops as they drop off the latest imports from the far east and expensive cars, perhaps, going the other way.

To add to your list CX used to fly (IIRC) MAN-FRA/AMS/CDG-HKG and SA MAN-CDG



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User currently offlineAcroAirFun From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12423 times:

I flew Lufthansa 747-400 about half a year ago between Munich and Frankfurt but it was just a replacement because they had some technical problems with their A321.
 Wow!  Silly



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9524 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12407 times:



Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 6):
In 1989 when LH took delivery of the 747-400 they were using it on FRA-HAM initially. I'm not sure how long that lasted though.

Most likely they will do that with the 380 as well. I have flown in everything LH had on that route, from CV340s to DC10s.

There is always the odd 747 charter on intra European flights and in the past the 747 intra Europe was something that happened daily.

Today the only scheduled 747 flights in Europe are cargo. MAN is a prime suspect for such services, with CX 74Y MAN AMS, ;MAN BRU, MAN FRA MAN CDG; JX MAN LUX; CI MAN MXP

Cargolux has a number of roiutings with stops in Europe, like LUX-OIK, but ore on inbouns to LUX.



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User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12403 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 10):
Probably only cargo

Well, KE operates B74F from VIE to OSL/CPH, AMS to BSL, MUC to SVO and some other European portions to/from ICN


User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12339 times:



Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 6):
In 1989 when LH took delivery of the 747-400 they were using it on FRA-HAM initially. I'm not sure how long that lasted though.

My wife was on one of those flights. I think these were break-in flights for new birds. She said it was a very short take-off roll.



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User currently offlineCV990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12256 times:
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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12240 times:



Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 6):
In 1989 when LH took delivery of the 747-400 they were using it on FRA-HAM initially. I'm not sure how long that lasted though.

I also flew an B744 on a LHR-CDG back in 1991 when this a/c type joined the fleet. They were used for a very short period on CDG-LHR-CDG and CDG-NCE-CDG to train the pilots.

Back in the 70s and 80s, AF used regularly the B747 on the CDG-LHR-CDG route that was, at that time, the busiest route in Europe, and one of the top busiest in the world ...


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Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12126 times:
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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12091 times:

In the 1970's can remember Alitalia 747-100's turning up at LHR every now and then from Rome

I have also been aware of BA using the odd 747 on shuttle routes, but as a replacement aircraft.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
Back in the 70s and 80s, AF used regularly the B747 on the CDG-LHR-CDG route that was, at that time, the busiest route in Europe, and one of the top busiest in the world ...

FlySSC you are absolutely right about London-Paris in the 70's. As well as the 741's, AF would send A300's & 707's. BA of course used to send the mighty L1011's. So much daily capacity!



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12091 times:



Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Syrian Air used to operate LHR-MAN with their 74L's.

I don't think they had rights for London-Manchester sector however.

Unfortunately not, I know an awful lot of people who tried, even if you were an airline employee you couldn't swing it.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11949 times:



Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 14):
My wife was on one of those flights. I think these were break-in flights for new birds. She said it was a very short take-off roll.

Yeah I could have flown it on that route in Oct 89 but I opted for TWA at the last minute because of a fare sale. When we arrived at HAM the bus took us right up next to the new 744 and I thought there was the aircraft we would have arrived on. In hindsight though, I am glad that we flew TWA for that round trip because it became the only two times I flew on the L1011 and the 727-100.



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User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 702 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11915 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
even if you were an airline employee you couldn't swing it.

Very true Dan....tried to make it work many times, but alas...NO.

rgds


User currently offlineLuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11482 times:

i remember winter 06 in London that after a few foggy days, BA used 744s from LHR to Frankfurt to make up for the days LHR was closed.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11427 times:



Quoting Standby87 (Thread starter):
I remember
QF LHR-MAN
SR ZRH-GVA
SQ ZRH-MAN/AMS
But those are all dead now.

Air Inter in 1988/1989 operated a B747-100 leased from AF (F-BPVD) on ORY-MRS-ORY, ORY-TLS-ORY, ORY-BOD-ORY.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11196 times:



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 21):
Very true Dan....tried to make it work many times, but alas...NO.

You were just the person I was thinking of when I wrote that too!  silly 


Dan  Smile



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25 JoseMEX : IB used to operate 747's on their MAD-BCN sector.
26 Post contains links and images Andaman : Air Pullmantur have been operating 747 charters MAD-HEL in summer season, very refreshing sight in HEL. View Large View MediumPhoto © Janne Laukk
27 CC2314 : Aerlingus use to fly from Dub-Snn in the 741.I flew from Dublin to connought back in 2005 on an Air Atlanta 742 tf-abp.I also flew from Dublin to cork
28 Janmnastami : I'm not sure, but if I'm not wrong, many many years ago AZ flew MXP-FCO-xxx or FCO-MXP-xxx (xxx is the final destination) in order to serve Milan and
29 Heathrow : Don't forget OA used to fly theirs from ATH to LHR!
30 River747 : I flew AMS-MAD on a JAL 743 in 1990. Was the cheapest option on that route.
31 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Don't think "Nordic cities - Phuket" can be considered as Intra-European routes ... Flew OA's B747 once on ATH-ORY, as a subsitute to the A300 Air Fr
32 Andaman : Well, the ARN-HEL part is very much intra-Europe... relax a bit, weekend's coming soon...[Edited 2009-01-28 10:56:18]
33 Viscount724 : Many carriers had 747 service on 5th freedom sectors in Europe in days gone by. Philippine Airlines was another when they served Europe. Where does th
34 PanHAM : ORD PIK CDG yes, I've been on GA 742 flights ex far east via AUH - ROM - FRA and AUH-ZRH-FRA But that's all the past, currently it's mostly cargo on
35 Oly720man : ORD, by the looks of it. Unless they fly from ORD to somewhere else first.
36 Acw367 : Hellenic Imperial HT operated many intra european sub charters with thier B742s. Examples mentioned on captions in the photos database in 2008 include
37 Dennys : Exciting topic . As a 747 fan I remember these following 747 fliying with triffic rights wihtin E.U while operating their long hauls Flights : 1970s-1
38 LY777 : In that case, LY also flies their 744s to LHR, CDG and others European cities as a charter, like GVA during winter season...
39 B777LRF : The question was "Are there any Intra-European routes still operated by B747?" The operative word being STILL. And then some people start talking abou
40 Doona : IIRC PIA operates a leg between OSL and CPH continuing on to ISB. I believe it's operated by a 77W nowadays, but was it ever operated by a 747, or was
41 Andaman : Well thats how it goes on A.net, the conversation spreads, can't see any problem there. Seems 772ER 1x weekly this winter, was 747 before I believe.
42 PlymSpotter : Threads meander and change direction all the time - I find it's nice to hear what past routes were, it's a history lesson and you'll learn something
43 Viscount724 : The routes you mention are 5th Freedom, not 6th.
44 AAMDanny : BA have used 744's one some european routes however they are usually one-off's. Ive known them to go to HEL and CDG as ive seen post's on here before
45 9mmpd : Does TG still fly to MAD? If so is that a tag on service from another European city?
46 FlySSC : P.I.A flight was routing KHI-CAI-FRA-ORY-JFK. I flew them summer 1984 on ORY-JFK but that was a DC10, not a B747.
47 Viscount724 : Yes, twice weekly 747-400. No, it's nonstop BKK-MAD-BKK. As a sidenote, KE operates 3 days a week ICN-AMS-MAD with 5th freedom rights AMS-MAD, but th
48 TGV : For you (but not for B777LRF !), some European segments on flights I did with 747: PR: ORY-ZRH (-DXB-BKK-MNL) (1984) SA: ORY-ZRH (-JNB) (1995) BR: CD
49 FlySSC : I also flew a SAA B742 on JNB-LIS-ORY back in 1992 or 1993.
50 IBERIA747 : During the 90s Iberia flew MAD-SVO-NRT-SVO-MAD with their 747-200s Combi. It was their last effort trying to make the MAD-NRT route profitable. Before
51 Dennys : To Viscount 724 : You are quite right my friend , this was 5th freedom For All I guess when you talk about 747 within E.U , you have to speak about th
52 Bmacleod : Back in the late 1980s, there is a high likelihood AC might have had Intra-European 747 routing on YYZ-LHR-DUS.[Edited 2009-01-29 10:12:26]
53 Dennys : To FlySSC : I flew this sector FRA - ORY on a 74C PK in APR 1986 . To Bemachleod : I did forgot the 5 th freedom of the AIR CANADA 747 CDG GVA CDG in
54 Spkyflyer : Does Sinapore Airlines offer seats on its 77W from Milan to Barcelona?
55 Viscount724 : They appear not to have 5th freedom rights on that sector. Nothing showing in schedules.
56 Dennys : No such glorious ot The 747s days will be any more ... I gess ... I d' take any 747 for a short trip again , believe me ! I'd take any 744ERF for a sh
57 AMS : We can add AMS-CPH and AMS-FCO on SQ in 1995-1996 on a 744 Thai Airways flew BKK-AMS-LHR on 747's in the 80's TWA flew 747's AMS-BRU in the 80's, late
58 PP705 : I think KLM operated 747s to Tenerife
59 PanHAM : but only to ..... if we go back to history we can play this game here forever. I mentioned altready my GA 742 flights, there was TG FRA-CPH and on to
60 EBGflyer : IIRC, both 747-100's and 747SP's have been used on the route to CPH - maybe not as a tag on to OSL.
61 FlySSC : One way only .... Well, I know the Canary Islands are part of Spain, and so politically "European" but you can't hardly count a flight to the TFN or
62 Trex8 : CI cargo flights today MAN-AMS, PRG-LUX, LUX-MXP, LUX-ARN
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