Azstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5446 times:
Eastern was known for its notoriously poor inflight service. One fourth of July I flew them to San Juan. The meal consisted of ground beef in dark brown gravy, mashed potatos, and peas. Catering had forgot to include any forks or spoons, so they only had plastic knives on board. It was pretty funny watching everyone eating this glop with plastic knives. The desert was a kind of pudding in a pie shell. Since it was the fourth of July, the flight attendants were supposed to put little U.S. flags in the pie, but they forgot so they went up and down the aisles sticking the little flags wherever they could in the meal; in the pie, in the potatoes, in the meat glop.
On the return night flight, the male attendant was hitting on a single female traveler. A little later I noticed he was sitting in the empty seat next to her and they were necking, passionately.
Ah, those were the good old days. Not as much fun flying today.
I have a question about EA. When did they retire their DC-8's? Upon looking at flight schedules on the above website, I noticed that DL, US, Transamerica, and World Airways had DC-8 flights but not EA.
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3147 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
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Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 6): I have a question about EA. When did they retire their DC-8's? Upon looking at flight schedules on the above website, I noticed that DL, US, Transamerica, and World Airways had DC-8 flights but not EA.
The last EA DC-8s were pulled from service in 1974, in fact the entire fleet ws retired between 1971 and 1974, DC-8-21s, 51s, 61s and 63CFs... However EA had ownership of several DC-8-61s until 1980, they were on lease to JAL, they never re-entered service with EA however.
The Dc-8 was just not the right plane for EA. Ironically Eastern launched the Dc-8-21 and put it into service in 1960. They got the Dc-8-60 when they were promised routes to the West Coast, a certain President overturned the CAB decision awarding the routes to EA and gave them to AA and BN instead... EA tried to make the Dc-8-60s work on high-capacity runs into Florida, but the L1011 was better suited so they dumped them.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): Very sad for Miami and Florida, it was our home town airline. WE can all thank one Charles Bryan, machinist uion local head.
Bryan, Borman, Lorenzo... many names to burn in effigy on the EA downfall.
Truth is Bryan really was speaking for his members much of the time, the IAM at EA was notoriously militant and hard to get along with, even before Bryan's term. Though his bombastic approach to Lorenzo after the TI takeover was probably a catastrophic event.
Borman i kind of feel sorry for, he got dealt a bad hand and every time he tried to redeal it someone kicked him in the shins. Borman brought in a operations revamp (A300 which remember they got for a song, the 757 and the international expansion) which should of saved EA, except for the economic crash of the early 80s. Honestly if Lorenzo had continued to invest in EA instead of carving bits off of it, it might of survived, or at least been able to find a merger partner.
Now Lorenzo, well... he never really had any idea how to work with the unions, and he wasn't willing to either probably. He broke a strike at CO using replacement, and almost forced people to become scabs or walk away empty handed, something that STILL stings some people to this day. And there is the fiasco with Texas International and the Airline Strike fund in the 60s...
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27773 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4939 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 10): The last EA DC-8s were pulled from service in 1974, in fact the entire fleet ws retired between 1971 and 1974, DC-8-21s, 51s, 61s and 63CFs...
The 6 EA DC-8-63PFs were the only examples of that model built. They had the structural reinforcements of the freighter model but lacked the main deck cargo door. Made them easier to convert to freighters later.
CP acquired one -63PF from Eastern in 1972 and named it "Empress of Athens". I flew on it a few times. It had a slightly different cabin and door configuration than CP's other DC-8-63s.
Five of the EA -63PFs with various subsequent operators. I think one or two are still flying. And last photo of one in original livery.
Tommy767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4927 times:
Quoting Azstar (Reply 2): On the return night flight, the male attendant was hitting on a single female traveler. A little later I noticed he was sitting in the empty seat next to her and they were necking, passionately.
Good for him! What a hustler
I never got to fly on eastern but I will always see them as a very well respected airline with good service and employees until lorenzo essentially plowed the airline into the ground and destroyed morale. Marty was just too late.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2369 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4754 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 10): They got the Dc-8-60 when they were promised routes to the West Coast, a certain President overturned the CAB decision awarding the routes to EA and gave them to AA and BN instead... EA tried to make the Dc-8-60s work on high-capacity runs into Florida, but the L1011 was better suited so they dumped them.
Just to clarify, EA bought two types of DC-8-60s, the -61 and the -63.
The -61 had US / Canada transcontinental, or US West Coast - Hawaii range, and was designed mainly for UA, EA, DL, and AC. They were a good aircraft for EA's routes from JFK to MIA and SJU, until the even larger L-1011 entered service.
The -63 had intercontinental range. EA ordered -63s in hopes of getting routes from the US East Coast to Hawaii, and on to Australia and New Zealand. EA was recommended for the routes, but the routes to Hawaii were awarded to AA and BN, and AA got the Hawaii - Australia / New Zealand routes. Many EA managers said after the fact that EA was lucky not to have been awarded the routes. AA lost a lot of money trying to compete against PA, QF, and NZ, and suspended the routes within four years after they were awarded. There are photos of EA -63s in Asia, because EA did use them on government charters to Vietnam.
AA and BN were never awarded any routes to the West Coast that EA wanted.
Flyer62 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4661 times:
I flew Eastern many times and the service I had was excellent, clean aircraft ,friendly flight attendants. food service was good as well. However due to lorenzo and morale,service suffered. the strike and great money losses Hurt Eastern,and another airline that wont be mentioned also I believe helped Easterns demise!
Oceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
This is one airline that I truly do miss, mostly because I'm a Florida boy. My first flight was on Eastern from SRQ-ATL on a 727-200 in the mid 80's. That was when SRQ still had the old terminals and no jet bridges:
Cairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4395 times:
Now that airlines return from bankruptcy as a matter of right, we're left to wonder if the legal mood at the time had been different, or the creditors more reasonable, Eastern would have declared chapter 11, got rid of the IAM contracts and be re-born possibly forever...same could be said for PanAm.
Sidenote: Bush's First Gulf War eclipsed Eastern's bankruptcy, and of course was the final nail in its coffin.
UltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4381 times:
I never realized they lasted until 1991. I thought they went out of business in the '80s sometime. My dad said he really enjoyed the times he flew them, though.
And I have to say, love that bare metal livery!
Midwest Airlines- 1984-2010
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