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DL Domestic 763 On ATL-ANC This Summer  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Looking at Delta's schedules, it looks like when ATL-ANC returns this summer, it will be flown by a domestic 763. Previously, the route was flown by a domestic 764ER, however, by the end of the spring all of the 764ERs will be in international configuration.

Is ATL-ANC the longest route ever to be flown by a domestic 763? The distance is 3417 miles. This is longer than some JFK-Europe transatlantic flights (such as JFK-SNN). A non-ER 763 (according to Wikipedia) has a range of 4546 miles, however, most of Delta's domestic 763s are powered by GE CF6-80A engines rather than the CF6-80C2, which means their actual range might be a bit less. The four ETOPS aircraft are powered by P&W PW4094 engines, however, they are being used to Hawaii (specifically LAX-HNL and SLC-HNL).

I wonder how will the domestic 763s perform on this route. Perhaps if they perform well, DL can ETOPS more of them and use them on transatlantic flights in the summer and sell them as all-coach, similar to what DL used to do with the 764ERs.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

This isn't new. DL flew domestic-configured 763 (both -ER and non-ER variants) on this seasonal route from the time it was introduced (or re-introduced?) in 2000 until 2007. Last year was the only year in which the 764 regularly flew it...


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4523 times:



Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 1):
This isn't new. DL flew domestic-configured 763 (both -ER and non-ER variants) on this seasonal route from the time it was introduced (or re-introduced?) in 2000 until 2007. Last year was the only year in which the 764 regularly flew it...

I think DL also once flew the domestic 763 (and the 762) on SLC-ANC before. Now it is 2x 752 during the summer.



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9585 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Well CO puts a 737-800 on IAH-ANC from time to time and that route is only 150 miles shorter. I don't think any 767 model would have trouble with that route.


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Will the IFE work over Canada?

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4288 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I wonder how will the domestic 763s perform on this route. Perhaps if they perform well, DL can ETOPS more of them and use them on transatlantic flights in the summer and sell them as all-coach, similar to what DL used to do with the 764ERs.

Wont happen. DL isn't going to pay for leased birds to get ETOPS plus they have a s**tton of 763ER for TATL/TPAC flights(the 4 763Es are owned)

Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):

Will the IFE work over Canada?

not sure about the TV but the rest of DoD will



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I wonder how will the domestic 763s perform on this route. Perhaps if they perform well, DL can ETOPS more of them and use them on transatlantic flights in the summer and sell them as all-coach, similar to what DL used to do with the 764ERs.

These birds are dinosaurs.....good for hauling domestic pax, but terrible for cargo when pax loads are heavy. They also have narrow cargo doors which prohibit most cargo pallets, which are a necessity for international cargo. The 763ER is a much more versatile aircraft.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4094 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):
Will the IFE work over Canada?

The live satellite television probably won't work, however, the AVOD movies will. Of course, it isn't free on domestic routes. I have heard that on the domestic 763s used on HNL routes, you still have to pay for the movies, despite there being no live satellite TV.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4026 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):
Will the IFE work over Canada?

Depending on the size dish (I don't know how big airplane dishes are) but it could reach all of Canada and even southern Alaska (around Juneau) if the aircraft carries a 32'' dish.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

When does this start? Now.... Wonder if we can get one-way award tix on the return in early June....


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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I think DL also once flew the domestic 763 (and the 762) on SLC-ANC before.

The 762s that flew SLC-ANC were dirty and tatty--some even had dysfunctional lavatories. Anything would be better than those old frames.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3910 times:



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 10):
The 762s that flew SLC-ANC were dirty and tatty--some even had dysfunctional lavatories. Anything would be better than those old frames.

The domestic 763s are actually quite nice, not just because the new seats and AVOD, however, the lavatories were refreshed a bit, such as the faux wood floors. Some of them even got new faucets for the sinks. The old projectors are gone, and some of them got updated PSUs with brighter reading lights and fluorescent No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt signs.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3796 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
I think DL also once flew the domestic 763 (and the 762) on SLC-ANC before. Now it is 2x 752 during the summer.

Indeed... see photos, this website.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
Well CO puts a 737-800 on IAH-ANC from time to time and that route is only 150 miles shorter. I don't think any 767 model would have trouble with that route.

Every summer and every Christmas season, until this year, when the Christmasttime nonstops did NOT reappear... much to my chagrin.



I flew DL's 764 service to ATL this past summer, and loved it. VERY nice bird for a 7 hour flight, much nicer than CO's 738 service to Houston. And, Delta provided a very nice meal in coach for free- certainly nicer than what CO offers. I've been eating the same Jennie-O turkey sandwiches on CO for five years, so Delta's chicken and rice was a nice upgrade.
I'll miss the 764 on this route, should I leave the Biggest State again this summer!


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
I flew DL's 764 service to ATL this past summer, and loved it. VERY nice bird for a 7 hour flight, much nicer than CO's 738 service to Houston. And, Delta provided a very nice meal in coach for free- certainly nicer than what CO offers. I've been eating the same Jennie-O turkey sandwiches on CO for five years, so Delta's chicken and rice was a nice upgrade.
I'll miss the 764 on this route, should I leave the Biggest State again this summer!

Well, at least you will get AVOD. Yes, I agree that the 764ER has a much nicer interior architecture than the domestic 763s. I wish that DL would upgrade the overhead bins and ceiling panels to the 764ER style on both the domestic 763s and the international 763ERs.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
Indeed... see photos, this website.

Interestingly, the photos do not show any domestic non-ER 763s since 2002. It only shows the 762, 763ER, and 764ER. The 763ERs were used on the ATL-ANC route from 2002-2007; I couldn't find any non-ER 763s during that time frame.

[Edited 2009-01-28 15:22:36]


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3717 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 13):
I wish that DL would upgrade the overhead bins and ceiling panels to the 764ER style on both the domestic 763s and the international 763ERs.

I agree. It's not like DL's going to be spending big money in the future re-branding NW (including upgrading its aircraft to DL standards). The new DL is already nearly $20B in debt -- what's another billion or so?!  Wink



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User currently offlineAs777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

As much as I will miss the 764, I cannot wait to fly the 763 out of here on the 26th of june. I think I might even spring for first class.

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4195 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3654 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):
Will the IFE work over Canada?

Of course it does. Why would it not? Both WS and AC have IFE. Unless the airlines use a satellite system I believe that most of the IFE is contained in the aircraft.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3642 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 16):
Of course it does. Why would it not? Both WS and AC have IFE. Unless the airlines use a satellite system I believe that most of the IFE is contained in the aircraft.

I am pretty sure that CatIII meant to ask about the live satellite TV. The live satellite TV may not work, but most likely the AVOD movies will.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4195 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3608 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
I am pretty sure that CatIII meant to ask about the live satellite TV. The live satellite TV may not work, but most likely the AVOD movies will.

What ever he meant I don't think that the satellite system would not work but then the Communist Government of Canada would probably make them use Expressvu. Big grin



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3565 times:



Quoting As777 (Reply 15):
As much as I will miss the 764, I cannot wait to fly the 763 out of here on the 26th of june. I think I might even spring for first class.

IMO on the domestic 763s, it isn't worth the upgrade to F. The seats in the domestic F cabin are 18.5" wide, which is only 0.5" wider than Y, and they only have 40" pitch. The only thing the F cabin really offers over the Y cabin is the laptop power outlets.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3278 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 18):
What ever he meant I don't think that the satellite system would not work but then the Communist Government of Canada would probably make them use Expressvu. Big grin

No, The poster is right. It generally won't work over Canada. US Satellites (DirecTV and Dish Network) do not generally broadcast to Canada. A non compete clause created by ExpressVu and Starchoice moved the satellites around. US satellite signal stops just north of the border and does not cover any of the maritime provinces at all. One exception is that the signal reaches more north over BC to attempt to cover Alaska and because of angling. Depending on the size of your equipment (no pun intended) you can stretch the signal further. What I don't know is what size dish aircrafts have. Even with the biggest dish though, the signal would not be perfect as the aircraft is not stationary, but rather moving. Think of it as FM, you can sometimes hear a station from a neighbouring market, but it can come and go with static. BTW, Canadian satellites have been pushed more north to cover NWT and Nunavut, so Florida doesn't receive Canadian satellite signals anymore without a booster. Bummer for me! Canadian satellites generally do cover almost all of Canada, but the American companies were definitely not worried about competition from Canada (though the product is better, IMHO). Alaska's satellite beam is also a repeater at a different angle in space, so the beaming would have to be reprogrammed.

DL would not be able to use Canadian satellites as they are angled differently in Space.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 16):
Of course it does. Why would it not? Both WS and AC have IFE. Unless the airlines use a satellite system I believe that most of the IFE is contained in the aircraft.

It wouldn't because Delta's 767's have satellite TV. For licensing reasons, my understanding is they only are available in the United States.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 21):
It wouldn't because Delta's 767's have satellite TV. For licensing reasons, my understanding is they only are available in the United States.

However, as I stated, you can watch the AVOD movies (probably for a fee though).



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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

What are the chances of an A330 on this route, seeing that NW/DL uses them on some Hawaii routes? That would be nice change and something different for ANC!

User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2662 times:



Quoting NW7E7 (Reply 23):
What are the chances of an A330 on this route, seeing that NW/DL uses them on some Hawaii routes? That would be nice change and something different for ANC!

Not very likely. The A333 seats only 37 more passengers than the domestic-configured B763 (and costs more to operate). If DL/NW were to desire more capacity, they'd probably operate the B753 (again) on MSP-ANC (or even SLC-ANC, eventually).



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