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JetBlue To Launch Jamaica Service  
User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...story/01-29-2009/0004962772&EDATE=

1x from JFK. No surprises, except that it's from JFK and not MCO I guess.

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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4505 times:
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Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
1x from JFK. No surprises, except that it's from JFK and not MCO I guess.

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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4485 times:
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An added boost for our tourism industry.....After two years of shuffling, its good to see an official announcement..


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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

I wonder what prices will be. I would love to take a trip down to Jamaica next winter!

Looks like JetBlue is really enjoying Caribbean growth. According to Dave Barger, Caribbean flights have been the most recession-resistant flights in JetBlue's network. He says that this is because of the high VFR traffic on these flights. Very, very interesting.

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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

My only concern is that MBJ is primarily a tourist location, as opposed to Kingston which would be a population center.

- One the one hand, many of JetBlue's successful flights are to tourist destinations in the Caribbean: Aruba, St. Maarten, Puerto Plata, Cancun...

- On the other hand, several Caribbean markets are also less tourist and more local consideration: Santa Domingo, Bogota, Santiago

I'm sure it will work out fine for JetBlue and I would expect to see new markets added for Jamaica eventually (BOS, poss IAD, MCO or FLL).



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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

I think it's just a matter of time before Boston gets service now.

User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4131 times:



Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
1x from JFK. No surprises, except that it's from JFK and not MCO I guess.

1x weekly I presume will mean Saturday/Sunday service. I think JFK is definitely a better fit than MCO. Nonetheless, the bigger surprise for me is that it is JFK and not BOS. JFK-MBJ is already stacked with service from JM, AA and DL.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
My only concern is that MBJ is primarily a tourist location, as opposed to Kingston which would be a population center.

MBJ had to be the "obvious" choice for B6 as opposed to KIN, and as you've pointed out B6 has successful service to other predominantly tourist destinations in the Caribbean. KIN is a large O/D market, however B6 would face an uphill battle providing service on the route (would have to be either JFK/FLL, or to a lesser extent MCO) which are very loyal to JM.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4063 times:



Quoting Jetbluefan1 (Thread starter):
1x from JFK. No surprises, except that it's from JFK and not MCO I guess.

So the route has finally come to fruition. Its good for the market and healthy competition albeit one could argue not at a very opportune time for JM but B6 has a great product that Ive had the opportunity to sample and they should do well.

Do they still only offer direct TV service on US only flights? What about the international destinations its hard to believe 11 International flights having service only to the 'coast'  silly 



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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4057 times:



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 7):
Do they still only offer direct TV service on US only flights? What about the international destinations its hard to believe 11 International flights having service only to the 'coast'   

Direct TV tends to cut out when you leave the US. Happened to me going to SJU but they give you free movies to watch instead. They might have corrected that since it was about 3 years ago I went down there.



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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3969 times:



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 6):
1x weekly I presume will mean Saturday/Sunday service.

No, JFK-MBJ will actually operate daily. If/when BOS service is launched, I would expect it to be 1x weekly, but JFK can support a daily flight without doubt.

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 8):
Direct TV tends to cut out when you leave the US. Happened to me going to SJU but they give you free movies to watch instead. They might have corrected that since it was about 3 years ago I went down there.

I flew JetBlue JFK-CUN-JFK a few weeks ago. The Direct TV signal cut out about 40 minutes before landing in CUN, and on the return it came in about 40 minutes after departure. Not bad at all. However, movies are no longer free for these flights, though XM Radio and the LiveMap coverage are available throughout the entire flight.

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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 3876 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 8):
Direct TV tends to cut out when you leave the US. Happened to me going to SJU but they give you free movies to watch instead. They might have corrected that since it was about 3 years ago I went down there.

As I recall, this was discussed on this forum elsewhere and I seem to remember the reason the coverage stops soon after leaving the US mainland is the satellite coverage and not JetBlue's IFE hardware or the tv provider. In a nutshell, the fact that a few flights criss-cross the ocean every day does not warrant the immense cost of additional satellite coverage or the cost of powering such a broadcast. So unless the technology changes or people start moving to the Bermuda Triangle, I'd say there will always be a cutoff of live TV on the Caribbean services and non-mainland services.

Note: this also applies to any other carriers offering similar live tv on these routes. Actual cutoff time and duration of coverage depends on satellite geometry, flight routing, weather, etc.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3799 times:



Quoting AAce24 (Reply 5):
I think it's just a matter of time before Boston gets service now.

That would be great, I wonder how long it would be. I guess if JFK does really well, BOS will come next. Still, I'm a little surprised there wasn't any flights from MCO or FLL.



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3501 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
My only concern is that MBJ is primarily a tourist location, as opposed to Kingston which would be a population center.



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 6):
KIN is a large O/D market, however B6 would face an uphill battle providing service on the route

 checkmark  . Even after many years of service AA had to let to JFK-KIN. Jamdowners are extremely loyal to JM on that sector.



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3409 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 11):
That would be great, I wonder how long it would be. I guess if JFK does really well, BOS will come next. Still, I'm a little surprised there wasn't any flights from MCO or FLL.

I think Boston service will commence next winter season. Maybe after JetBlue gets its additional gates in FLL, they will start FLL-MBJ. I'd also love to see FLL-KIN. Also, the E190 would be perfect to start a daily MCO-MBJ.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

I could see some issues with O/D travelers baggage on that route. Caribbean people are notorious for carrying lots of heavy luggage, especially around the holidays. At 1X per week if baggage is left behind at JFK will it be air freighted?


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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3353 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 14):
I could see some issues with O/D travelers baggage on that route. Caribbean people are notorious for carrying lots of heavy luggage, especially around the holidays. At 1X per week if baggage is left behind at JFK will it be air freighted?

Hardly a problem since B6 will be competing for tourist market and not the VFR market at KIN.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3319 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 14):
I could see some issues with O/D travelers baggage on that route. Caribbean people are notorious for carrying lots of heavy luggage, especially around the holidays. At 1X per week if baggage is left behind at JFK will it be air freighted?

Had Bt6 choosen KIN instead of MBJ, that would have been a big problem.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8758 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 16):
Had Bt6 choosen KIN instead of MBJ, that would have been a big problem.

Yep, but I expected B6 to go for MBJ in lieu of KIN. I can see DL flying the JFK-KIN-JFK route in the future at some point. DL will fly ATL-KIN-ATL daily with the MD-88 soon. That will be interesting.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3213 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
I can see DL flying the JFK-KIN-JFK route in the future at some point.

Wnat to talk about JM loyalty? B6 could try KIN after-wards, they now have experience with baggage-heavy routes like SDQ so taking care of KIN passengers could be O.K.
I'm inclined to say that it's more likely CO could return EWR-KIN several days per week before DL thinks of flying JFK-KIN. Lots of DL Caribbean and Latinamerican destinations haven't worked as they wanted. GEO is an exception, but for reasons we in the Caribbean already know.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8758 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3176 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Lots of DL Caribbean and Latinamerican destinations haven't worked as they wanted. GEO is an exception, but for reasons we in the Caribbean already know.

If DL can make POS and GEO work out of JFK, they can make KIN work too. And DL has problems in deep Southamerica too. For some reason DL just can't make certain destinations work, like ATL-GYE, JFK-LIM, JFK-EZE is now "seasonal" and their new ATL-MAO service speaks for itself.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Wnat to talk about JM loyalty? B6 could try KIN after-wards, they now have experience with baggage-heavy routes like SDQ so taking care of KIN passengers could be O.K.

I think B6 has a great product and passengers will pay for their services. They could even try an MCO-MBJ service with the E90 if they wanted too.


User currently offlineA340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3175 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Wnat to talk about JM loyalty? B6 could try KIN after-wards, they now have experience with baggage-heavy routes like SDQ so taking care of KIN passengers could be O.K.
I'm inclined to say that it's more likely CO could return EWR-KIN several days per week before DL thinks of flying JFK-KIN. Lots of DL Caribbean and Latinamerican destinations haven't worked as they wanted. GEO is an exception, but for reasons we in the Caribbean already know.

SDQ did not have an entrenched local carrier with 40 years of history on the route. It would be easier for Jetblue to compete with AA on the route than JM. The JFK KIN crowd is an extremely difficult crowd to understand and only JM so far has proven that they understand it. Take flight number JM 16 one day and you will understand immediately what I am talking about. They could try it, offer low fares, get some initial business for about a year or so and once the JM 16 crowd realizes what they offer, will simply revert to the JM that understands them. JM YYZ - KIN is somewhat similar as well. Jamaicans were never satisfied with the AC service when it was a codeshare and immediately reverted to JM as soon as they restarted.


Agreed about EWR - KIN.


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3076 times:



Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 20):
The JFK KIN crowd is an extremely difficult crowd to understand and only JM so far has proven that they understand it.

Can you elaborate on that?


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2999 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 21):
Can you elaborate on that?

In a nut-shell there is an extremely high level of loyalty from Jamaicans on the JFK-KIN route in both directions. Both DL & B6 may inaugurate services on the sector in the future but I don't think it will not be a 'peice of cake' or 'walk in the park' for them on it alongside JM.

Quoting A340Jamaica (Reply 20):
JM YYZ - KIN is somewhat similar as well. Jamaicans were never satisfied with the AC service when it was a codeshare and immediately reverted to JM as soon as they restarted.

 checkmark  ......... JM did not have a problem filling the YYZ-KIN flights when it re-started.



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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 22):
In a nut-shell there is an extremely high level of loyalty from Jamaicans on the JFK-KIN route in both directions. Both DL & B6 may inaugurate services on the sector in the future but I don't think it will not be a 'peice of cake' or 'walk in the park' for them on it alongside JM.

Also, a very demanding crowd....



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User currently offlineA340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2887 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 23):

Also, a very demanding crowd....

SKYBLUE, you have to observe the crowd to understand what I am talking about. These are not your average NA passengers. I have heard similar stories re Lagos passengers, though I think we have them beat. Extremely demanding, very boisterous, not a pleasure for foreign crews to deal with, even very difficult for Jamaican crews to handle but at least they understand the culture and understand them. They could not care two hoots about stuff like Satellite TV but are very interested in a hearty warm meal, FA who understand their position when they try to carry an 80 lb box in the cabin and able to calmly explain to them or not so calmly scold them as to why that is not possible etc. I assure you, they are far worse to handle than any other South or Central American passengers maybe with the exception of PAP.


25 Contrails15 : Thank goodness we're not flying to KIN. Doing the POP, STI and SDQ is back labour enough. I know some of the guys that do the Air Jamaica flights over
26 A340Jamaica : You are relating to only one aspect, the handling of the luggage. Try having to deal with the passengers in flight or at check in. It is quite the sh
27 HummingBird : I wonder if they would attempt a JFK-PAP flight?
28 Contrails15 : Bags can't talk back to you. This is why I stay below the wing.
29 AirJamaica :
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