YNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 385 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9939 times:
Allegiant is expecting another strong year ahead. "The world has not ended," Allegiant CEO Maurice is quoted as saying by BusinessRockford.com. "It is hard to get that message across." As for growth, ATW reports Allegiant "will add four MD-80s to its fleet in the first half of 2009." And BusinessRockford.com writes Allegiant also "is planning to announce either a new focus city or another service expansion, officials said in a conference call with investors."
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 785 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9863 times:
I am going to bet that it will be somewhere on the Gulf Coast, either GPT or the somewhere on the Texas Riveria (Brownsville,Harlingen, Port Isabel/Cameron County Field). Odds are on the earlier.
DLCnxGPTJAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9806 times:
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1): I am going to bet that it will be somewhere on the Gulf Coast, either GPT or the somewhere on the Texas Riveria (Brownsville,Harlingen, Port Isabel/Cameron County Field). Odds are on the earlier.
Unless the Casino's are going to foot the bill for a GPT focus city, I don't think GPT is on the list. I would have agreed with you a few months ago, but considering G4 has pulled out of GPT under their own dollar I just don't see it happening.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 14931 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9785 times:
I would love to see G4 at Trenton/Mercer (TTN), with flights to PIE, SFB and FLL. TTN is in a great spot halfway between Center City Philadelphia and New York City right off of I-95. It's real close to Princeton and Bucks County.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5996 posts, RR: 53 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9768 times:
Quoting DLCnxGPTJAX (Reply 4): Unless the Casino's are going to foot the bill for a GPT focus city, I don't think GPT is on the list. I would have agreed with you a few months ago, but considering G4 has pulled out of GPT under their own dollar I just don't see it happening.
I agree.
In any case most of the draw for GPT casinos are from close in, regional markets....IAH, ATL, TPA, etc. I honestly don't think it'll be anywhere along the Gulf Coast. It would be nice, but I doubt it. MSY has a bunch of empty gates but the airport hasn't had much luck (other than XE) over the past few years in attracting new carriers. I'll believe it when I see it, I guess.
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9732 times:
When does the new PFN airport/ replacement airport open? It's in the middle between the old PFN & VPS with a lot of growth opportunity wtihout the VPS restrictions.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2297 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9685 times:
G4 has been interested in Southern California for a while due to all the attractions, and ONT has been hit hard as of lately with XE, B6, and others either pulling out or cutting/downgrading flights, so I'll go out on a limb and guess ONT.
As for MYR, it might be possible, but you already have Direct Air doing public charters on routes where G4 has a presence.
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 976 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9621 times:
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 1): I am going to bet that it will be somewhere on the Gulf Coast, either GPT or the somewhere on the Texas Riveria (Brownsville,Harlingen, Port Isabel/Cameron County Field). Odds are on the earlier.
Well, I don't believe PIL (Cameron County) has an actual terminal, so I think that one is basically impossible. I also agree with the earlier sentiment on GPT, I think it would be too weak to support a focus city without being subsidized. BRO and HRL would both make more sense, and I tend to think they would pick BRO between the two if only to avoid butting heads with WN at HRL and to provide a little extra space from its existing MFE flights (unless they were to move those). If it is a "destination" focus, I would guess another city in the Southwest (maybe PSP?) or something in the southeast (like MYR or SAV).
There's also the possibility that G4 is planning an "origin" focus city a la BLI rather than another destination. I don't want to read too much into the Rockford source on this one, but RFD could be a possibility for that. RFD has been very proactive about keeping service and it really could be mutually beneficial to bring that service on a known carrier like G4 rather than lesser known Direct Air.
Direct Air is already serving PGD from RFD, so G4 could probably overtake them on that route and add FLL. One strike against RFD for this would be that California destinations are very long flights, so that might not leave many destinations to connect to RFD outside of the existing focus cities unless they add places like MYR, SAV, DAB, PFN as new spokes to an RFD focus.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11482 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9546 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2): I am kind of hoping G4 does something in California, like opening SAN as a focus city.
California is pretty well served by everyone else and would most likely open a fare war which other carriers have more to throw against the wall then G4.
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 785 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9328 times:
ONT would be interesting and fits the bill with proximity to Disneyland and all... but I thought that one of the reasons it has suffered is due to the outrageous lease & landing fees (may be wrong). I just threw the Gulf Coast out there since it is a 'hole' in their network and despite the hit to casinos, a large business presence that is underserved. But yea, you all are right, its going to take $$$ to get someone to invest in GPT with anything more than 3X a day to ATL & MEM.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4834 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3): Isn't NK dropping a few MYR routes?
DTW and ORD, though are they permanent or winter only cancellations?
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 9): G4 has thrown a couple planes into Punta Gorda to compete with Direct Air. I get the feeling Allegiant would would love to see Direct Air disappear.
Maybe, but worth noting that Direct Air and G4 do not currently compete directly
AAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 334 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9283 times:
If it is ONT, I would be shocked, but anything is possible. ONT's costs are very high, as I understand it, which is the exact opposite of what G4 is looking for. However, with the deep cuts in service there, perhaps LAWA is willing to offer significant incentives to get a new carrier in there with plans to operate a substantial level of scheduled flights. I know G4 had kicked around the idea of trying to base a couple of planes @ PSP, but that never took off. It used to serve both LAS & BLI from there, but it's just BLI now. Airline operations costs are rather low @ PSP, but there also has to be sufficient demand and cooperation with the hotels/resorts on creating attractive vacation packages. ONT could serve both PSP and SNA area attractions quite well, but I still question the costs there and how much LAWA would have to forego in revenues to attract a carrier like G4. Then again, an airport which has lost 30% of its capacity is likely to pull a lot of strings to get a new carrier on the hook. Should be an interesting move G4 makes, and one that many will be waiting and watching for.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 21 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9200 times:
I mentioned this in the Q4 earnings thread and was thinking about starting a rumor/guess thread like this too.
There are 2 pieces of info that people should look at:
1) The map that YNGguins just posted of potential destination/focus cities
2) What they said in the conference call:
Quote: As far as destinations are concerned we think there’s a few large destinations inside the continental US that make a lot of sense for us. I think quite honestly San Diego and Oakland are two places that we have stuck our toe in the water and I think over time those will be their own bases in time as we believe there’s a lot of opportunities to serve both of those locations.
And then there’s a few other big destinations that we think are large enough to support their own base with service to multiple small cities around the US and that’s likely to be the announcement that we’re going to be making in the coming few weeks will be the addition of a destination.
So we know it will be domestic, not overseas.
They also suggest they will stay with MDs right now, so that eliminates Hawaii.
My thought after the conference call was to expect either the Los Angeles area or Myrtle Beach.
I'd like to see them build up SAN and PGD but I don't think that is what they are hinting at.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5446 posts, RR: 21 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9192 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 11): California is pretty well served by everyone else and would most likely open a fare war which other carriers have more to throw against the wall then G4.
A California city would be possible, remember Allegiant flies from small cities that would only have connecting flights to California. Routes flown with 2 or 3 MD-80 non-stops a week could easily compete.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
YNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 385 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9181 times:
1. I honestly bet it will be Myrtle Beach. I think Myrtle Beach would be a hit for the following airports:
RFD-LAN-YNG-GRR-ABE-ELM-PBG-BGR-TOL and others in the Great Lakes/Kentucky/Illinois area.
2. It would really hurt Direct Air. If they want to compete, this would be the airport to do it from.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks ago) and read 9021 times:
In their most recent financial results which were just posted on the site, wasn't it mentioned that they saw more growth potential in OAK/SAN? Thought I read that line in the filing
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5086 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8962 times:
Maybe G4 will get a handful of 757's and start flying between OAK and Hawaii. Wouldn't that rock!
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16022 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8892 times:
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Looking at the above map, I'm definitely going to steer towards the NYC area. I'm definitely thinking SWF since they've seen several airlines slash service or drop service there completely.
I'm going to throw a completely out of left field thought here and throw FRG into the discussion. They've had scheduled service in the past (feeder service), and can handle MD-80 sized a/c.
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25 YNGguins: Srbmod, we are talking about a focus city here, not a city those outside of NY have never heard of. SWF is another one that already lost G4 service I
26 MOBflyer: The new Panama City airport is being blown way out of proportion. You've still got a tiny local market - just a fancy new terminal to process them th
27 FATFlyer: Yes, they said that in the conference call also, see the quote I included in post # 18. But the wording on the call sounded like it will be someplace
28 RSWA330: That's what I think too. There is no way G4 will leave PGD with only two markets in the Southeast. I think as we get a little further in the year, G4
29 PVD757: For the LAX area, how about Palmdale PMD. The airport is losing UA soon (or has already) and I'm sure would offer G4 a good set of incentives to go th
30 Srbmod: Look at G4's operation @ IWA for a moment. Who would have thought that any airline would even look at any sort of focus city there. In many ways, IWA
31 GentFromAlaska: G4 has a huge whole in Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico and North Texas. A focus city in my mind would be a medium to large city or a smaller town in cl
32 STT757: From reading their presentation they made the point that they only compete on one or two routes, LAS-Fresno, LAS-Santa Barbara. They obviously like t
33 Wedgetail737: Well, the 737-800 with ETOPS would get them to HI, but not the Airbus narrowbodies...for the meantime.
34 ADXMatt: FRG and BDA would have trouble handling the mad dog. Too big of an a/c for the size of the airport to handle on a regular basis. Especially in the hea
35 FATFlyer: Sorry, the -800 being able to get there is what I meant.
36 SYfan100: While many Airlines have sent many planes to the desert during these hard times. This Airline keeps adding them 2 to 4 planes at a time! That is a goo
37 Srbmod: The best part is that they're paying for them outright. No need to line up financing (which in the current economy would be hard to do even for someo
38 FATFlyer: They CAN pay cash, it does not mean they always want to. Allegiant is very savvy about their financials, they do what makes the best sense to them. D
39 CIDFlyer: My guess is a build up of PGD. Its never really been talked about as a focus city as it only has two routes, I could see more cities added there. Afte
40 YNGguins: I disagree, I think all along PGD was a focus city. I personally feel they were waiting to build it up until they got these 4 mad dogs in service thi
41 Cubsrule: You know, except for the fact that the feeder service no longer exists at FRG, your description of FRG made me think of HVN. HVN might also be an opt
42 STT757: New Haven though is 76 miles from the City, G4 already serves ABE which is 79 miles from the City. I think they are thinking more within 50-60 miles
43 Steeler83: I still say that they should reconfigure the airspace at TTN (move the terminal to the East end of the airspace) and extend the R3 line up further. T
44 Dsuairptman: Just so everyone is aware of the factual details regarding G4 and GPT: LAS flight was dropped during the summer due to the sky high oil prices. The Fl
45 Cubsrule: They'd have to ask themselves whether the extra 15 miles to the City is worth the additional population right around HVN (as compared to SWF). I have
46 STT757: Absolutely as the right of way skirt the airport property over there, and there's plenty of room for a new terminal that could be adjacent to the Wes
47 Flyboy7974: I still can't believe somebody can't make TTN work, since Eastwind came in and started to make things happen there until their management shake up tha
48 DeltaAVL: I don't think we should necessarily limit our guessing to cities without G4 service for a focus city... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest G
49 Humberside: Depends if SWF (or ISP) is more of a destination for NYC as opposed to a 'spoke'. Clearly routes like RFD-SWF or GSO-SWF aren't going to bother anyon
50 GSPSPOT: Bear in mind, G4 is a completely leisure-oriented carrier with less-than-daily flights to most places. They'd never even be in competition with other
51 FATFlyer: We can guess all we want but it will probably be a large leisure city, someplace that will draw lots of tourist traffic from small cities. What they
52 FlyPIJets: I think I read recently that the mayor of Atlantic City was very concerned about the lack of service to ACY. Between the lines I read that she was wil
53 Wedgetail737: Does Carlsbad, CA airport have a long-enough runway to handle mainline aircraft?
54 FATFlyer: I thought about that too when I read the article. But gambling revenues are dropping right now and there are more casinos opening around the country.
55 STT757: They connect to vacation destinations, so any flights from the New York area would be going South to Florida not West to the Midwest. They really don
56 FlyPIJets: Well, G4 already has package deals setup with with a lot of gaming companies and I am sure those companies are concerned about their Atlantic City oc
57 Articulatexpat: If G4 is a leisure-oriented carrier that makes most of its money selling packages, it's hard to see an NYC-area airport being chosen in this economic
58 MAH4546: No, they are not. NK operates ORD/DTW-MYR seasonally. It can take as long as two hours to get from ONT to Disneyland. Three hours in heavy traffic. T
59 FATFlyer: But doesn't that also apply at Reno/Tahoe and they have not built that up beyond BLI-RNO.
60 Steex: I don't think anyone is writing GPT off as "under par," but the ability to sustain links to each of these network carriers' closest/largest hubs is n
61 777fan: Hmmm ...how about BWI? Plenty of space, particularly if you want to run international routes, central mid-Atlantic location, cost-savvy market, an al
62 ERJ170: How about PHN? It seems that it would be a great alternative to PHL.. although, doesn't it get stuck in PHL air traffic? But otherwise, it would be a
63 Coronado990: But can't that be said about Las Vegas? I thought the point of G4 were packages. What kind of packages would you put together there? Think of a city
64 DeltaAVL: Does it have to be a beach? Could it be somewhere like AVL (highly unlikely, I know), where there are hundreds of "natural" attractions - i.e., water
65 GSPSPOT: Kind of my question, too. BUT... GSP already has a decent G4 presence, and would serve basically the same areas. In fact, the local Chamber and Conve
66 Humberside: The map posted in reply 17 shows G4 are considering NYC as a vacation destination, so if that ever happens, flights from the Midwest to NYC would be
67 FlyPIJets: Absolutely, RNO would be a very good candidate. I wonder if G4 could run a shuttle from LAS to RNO.
68 RW717: WN already runs 11 flights each way each day, so it is not very likely.
69 FATFlyer: No not always the beach but Allegiant does try to sell packages. So you need attractions and hotels that Allegiant could sell and collect a commissio
70 Coronado990: Las Vegas or Phoenix are definitely not beach cities. SAN could round their options out west. So in this case...I would say yes! Perhaps a beach city
71 FlyPIJets: G4's business model is selling air+land packages in smaller markets. While G4 could decide to have a focus in both LAS and RNO, why not shuttle up RN
72 FlyPIJets: Exactly, and winter is the slow season, actually peak season for Reno-Tahoe is summer and golf season. So, yes RNO would make a good bet for G4 expan
73 Flyboy7974: They already did LAS-RNO years and years ago and yes, govt officials wanted some type of competition against SWA on the route, but this was just about
74 FATFlyer: That was under a different business model. Back then they were still trying to be a traditional LCC. After the retrenching Maury Gallagher wrote the
75 Wedgetail737: Yeah...I remember when G4 was just getting their 1st MD-80 to replace their DC-9 Sport. ICT was their longest flight at the time. We took advantage of
76 Sunking737: You can guess all you want about what city and everything else. But it boils down to this, there is one and only one person or group who knows what is
78 G4resagent: No, but we do crowed his cubicle and laugh loudly...
79 GARUDAROD: I thought SAN was gate constrained with limited room for new carriers? In question to , "Does it always have to be a beach destination?" No, but it ha
80 GSPSPOT: You're taking all the fun out of this!
81 777fan: Cruise ship departures at the Port of Baltimore are actually set to explode beginning this summer with Carnival, Celebrity, Norweigian, and Royal Car
82 F9Animal: I do remember that . I worked in LAS when G4 first started flying. They flew a DC-9 series 10 or 20. I remember so many saying that they would never
83 FATFlyer: Its fun, maybe we can increase the guessing next week. Maury is speaking at the Raymond James conference next Thursday. Maybe he will let another clu
84 FATFlyer: Because Allegiant does not do connections. It has to be a city where the smaller cities can be flown non-stop allowing people from the small cities a
85 SANFan: Not these days; in fact this would be a good time for a carrier to either enter the SAN market or, for a current tenant of Lindbergh Field, to expand
86 Flyboy7974: The DC-9-21 "sport" they had was the nicest, best looking plane I think I've flown on minus a new America West A319 that was second day into airline s
87 Wedgetail737: I hope SAN gets the benefit as being a G4 focus city. For those who have trying to get an airline on the FAT-SAN route could potentially see it happe
88 YNGguins: Seems as though we have a split between this being an east coast city and a west coast city. As an eastern US city Allegiant Air serves, of course I'd
89 YNGguins: Please do Lexy... I'd love to see some cabin shots of Allegiant and a full trip report from airport to airport.
90 Contrails15: [quote=Srbmod,reply=24]I'm going to throw a completely out of left field thought here and throw FRG into the discussion. They've had scheduled service
91 Flyboy7974: Always surprises me that FRG won't allow scheduled service, but the amount of consistent charters to ACY is never an issue. Flown with commuter size a
92 Contrails15: Politics what else. There was once a proposal to make Farmingdale a hube of sorts. They were going to widen Route 110 and build some sort of monorail
93 SANFan: I know the flights have remained all winter (as I would have hoped) and will increase to 3x weekly at the beginning of June. (Of interest to me is th
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