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Air Canada Moves YVR/YYC-JFK Flights To EWR  
User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14473 times:

Effective 01APR, (and 02APR for the return), the Air Canada non-stop flights from YYC and YVR to NYC will operate into Newark instead of JFK.

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14405 times:
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I'm still showing JFK having flights into August. And unable to find a EWR-YVR flight on AC


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5925 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14405 times:
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What is the reason for the move? Revenue? Slots? I wish them well.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9665 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14399 times:

Establishing themselves more in EWR in preparations of codesharing with CO most likely. With Continental joining Star Alliance near the end of the year, I definitely see Star Alliance carriers moving more flights from JFK to EWR.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14393 times:
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):

which will be good............cuz we have all sorts of room for more flights at EWR!!  crazy 



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14225 times:

Do you have a source for this announcement, I cannot find anything and online scheds still showing JFK flights.

Does this mean YYC-EWR will have 2 daily flights in the summer. YYC-EWR is serviced seasonally non-stop every summer (well since last summer anyway).


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14190 times:

This is an interesting but unsurprising development considering CO upcoming entrance into star alliance. Even without the CO equation it makes sense as it will allow AC to cycle aircraft and crews with the YYZ flights allowing for potentially better utilization,CO will only enhance the viability of the YYC and YVR routes. What will be interesting to watch is the upcoming code-sharing and how they decide to co-operate on their existing routes. My guess is that AC will drop it's CRJ 705 routes from YYC and YYZ to IAH and hand them over to CO in-turn I see CO possibly dropping out of the EWR-YYZ route.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14147 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
which will be good............cuz we have all sorts of room for more flights at EWR!!   

Actually UA being the dominant tenants at A-1 and not having as many flights as they used to, yes there is all sorts of room. CO Express in A-2 however is a much different story.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14122 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
My guess is that AC will drop it's CRJ 705 routes from YYC and YYZ to IAH and hand them over to CO

Is demand that big or are pax complaining about the CRJ705s? I thought the CRJ705 were a great aircraft and prefer it over a 737...



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User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14113 times:

I hope CO doesn't drop EWR-YYZ. I'm a flight attendant on the Q400 and I love our YYZ and YUL flights. I could do away with some of the passengers we have to/from Canada, however, the layovers are great  Smile


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14065 times:
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Quoting A318 (Reply 9):

no worries there.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):

i wasn't referencing gate space, but runway space.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 5):
Do you have a source for this announcement, I cannot find anything and online scheds still showing JFK flights.

EWR-YYC is already in SHARES, but nothing for YVR. JFK-YYC is also still loaded. (this based on August 3 departure)



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14040 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 10):
EWR-YYC is already in SHARES

This has been loaded for months as AC was already planning YYC-EWR - served seasonally.

Just cannot seem to find any official announcement of this move of the JFK flights. As you said, the JFK flights from both YVR and YYC are still showing status quo.


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14006 times:

The EWR changes for both YVR and YYC are showing on the Aircanada.com timetable and are available for booking. Probably just hasn't hit the GDSs yet.

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13994 times:
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Will AC move it's ops out of LGA to EWR as well?


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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13966 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):
Will AC move it's ops out of LGA to EWR as well?

I would seriously doubt that. There is enough O+D from YYZ-LGA alone to justify those flights. The EWR moves are probably more strategically in line with the CO star alliance move.

[Edited 2009-01-29 14:02:50]

User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13946 times:

AC operates out of gates 11 & 12 in A-1. United operates out of 14, 15, 16, 17. As of right now, United has 14 mainline and 4 RJ flights into EWR a day. I believe United ground handles AC ramp at EWR. So I wouldn't see a problem United letting AC use one of their gates if they needed it.

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13925 times:



Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 12):
The EWR changes for both YVR and YYC are showing on the Aircanada.com timetable and are available for booking. Probably just hasn't hit the GDSs yet.

Thanks for that. Now I see it. 1 daily YYC-EWR and 1 daily YVR-EWR.

So it looks like AC is downgrading YYC-NYC summer service to one daily YYC-EWR only.


User currently offlineJfkspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13925 times:

Flight numbers look like they're staying the same. 585 to YYC, 549 to YVR.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13907 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 14):
I would seriously doubt that. There is enough O+D from YYZ-LGA alone to justify those flights. The EWR moves are probably more strategically in line with the CO star alliance move.

 checkmark The more interesting question is what happens if the LGA perimeter opens up. Prior to this announcement, I would have expected YYC and YVR to move to LGA if that happened. Now, I don't know.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13854 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 8):
Is demand that big or are pax complaining about the CRJ705s? I thought the CRJ705 were a great aircraft and prefer it over a 737...

Nothing really wrong with the CRJ705,rather they will be needed on other domestic routes and trans-border routes.

Quoting A318 (Reply 9):
I hope CO doesn't drop EWR-YYZ. I'm a flight attendant on the Q400 and I love our YYZ and YUL flights. I could do away with some of the passengers we have to/from Canada, however, the layovers are great

Wouldn't like to see anyone lose anything in the process,let's just hope there are trade-offs that make up for it. How about CO Q400 service to YTZ? Gosh,what kind of passengers do you get on-board your aircraft?


User currently offlineJoePatroni From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13638 times:



Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 15):
I believe United ground handles AC ramp at EWR

Not for a while. Delta Global Services ground-handles AC at EWR. It used to be UA though.

I'm not really suprised by this though. The number of UA stations in the US where they handle AC is dropping.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):
Will AC move it's ops out of LGA to EWR as well?

No way, AC has too much of a presence in LGA (including it's own staff) with slots gates etc. They will never leave LGA.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2248 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13605 times:

AC will never leave LGA. This is destination traffic and not connecting traffic. Many many people flying into NYC prefer LGA and choose those flights when they could fly to EWR. Hence there are more frequent flights to LGA from YYZ and YUL than to EWR. There is an unused lounge AC nearer their pier than the Red Carpet Lounge and AC was considering turning into a Maple Leaf Lounge however that was shelved due to cutbacks.

I would imagine that since LGA isn't available for YYC and YVR flights, EWR is a much better choice than Kennedy due to the volume of flights that AC has into EWR and staff there already for use. There must be some cost saving opportunities with ground staff. Not to mention the connection opportunities with Star Alliance partners.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13478 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
Actually UA being the dominant tenants at A-1 and not having as many flights as they used to, yes there is all sorts of room. CO Express in A-2 however is a much different story.

COEX has been using some of AA's gates at A-3, I'm sure with their new partnership with UA they will also expand to A-1. Giving COEX gates in A-1, A-2 and A-3. Would not be surprised to see a couple Terminal A carriers move into B-1 now that DL and NWA are consolidating their operations.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 10):
i wasn't referencing gate space, but runway space.

Plenty of gate space at Terminal A and Terminal B.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 13):
Will AC move it's ops out of LGA to EWR as well?

Not even when AC had an ownership ship stake in CO did they ever consider consolidating out of LGA, when AC had a stake in CO I remember they were flying EWR-YYC with a 727.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 19):
How about CO Q400 service to YTZ? Gosh,what kind of passengers do you get on-board your aircraft?

CO in the late '80s - Early '90s had a CO Connection partner flying DH-7s up to Toronto Island.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9665 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13449 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
My guess is that AC will drop it's CRJ 705 routes from YYC and YYZ to IAH and hand them over to CO in-turn I see CO possibly dropping out of the EWR-YYZ route

I do not think that is legal. AC and CO do not have anti trust immunity. Without that, they cannot coordinate schedules like that as far as I know.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

If memory correct, AC operated YYC-EWR nonstop for a few years in the 1970s or 80s. At that time I think it was their only EWR service as they had previously moved all their NYC service from JFK to LGA. For many years prior to that all AC flights served JFK. It was a few years later before they began shorthaul service to EWR in addition to LGA.

25 Connies4ever : Agreed. Also, why operate into 3 airports when you can do the job flying into just 2 ? Additionally, I don't think AC were getting a huge amount of c
26 RJpieces : The two AC flights into JFK RON and leave early in the morning...Shouldn't be a problem at EWR.
27 CALMSP : and there is a reason for that...........
28 Avek00 : Methinks AC's move has zero to do with CO or Star Alliance, and more to do with the fact that EWR is simply closer to AC's traffic base than JFK.
29 EwRkId : wooooohooo!!! let the moving of the star carriers to EWR begin
30 Avek00 : There isn't much movement to do, really - virtually all the Star carriers that serve NYC already have a presence at EWR, and the ones that don't aren
31 YVR1968 : And now it looks like CO has already dropped one of its 2 daily YVR-EWR flights... could a code-share on the AC flight be on the horizon and vice vers
32 SurfandSnow : I would have to agree. While LGA is obviously the airport of choice for those living in or visiting Manhattan, EWR is much more accessible from the h
33 Tcxdegsy : This is a little interesting. I had a bad experience with AC EWR-YYC via YYZ in December, partly due to incoming flights into EWR being delayed by up
34 Avek00 : CO will have zero ability to codeshare or revenue-share with AC within North America prior to the October 25, 2008, separation from SkyTeam unless pe
35 Exaauadl : no..cost savings..they get to close a station...JFK
36 Cubsrule : How many employees did AC have at JFK? I thought UA did everything for them, but I guess I was wrong.
37 JoePatroni : You were correct. There are no AC staff at JFK as UA handles everything. Nonetheless this is a cost saving measure, I'm sure. I believe UA charges qu
38 Cubsrule : Surely if it had only been about costs and UA's price was a problem, they could have found someone else. They have changed at enough other airports..
39 Pnwtraveler : If you are taking a cab into Manhattan or a Town Car, LGA is the airport of choice for travelers on AC due to the numerous routes into the city. The t
40 CALMSP : actually, the best way to get into town is to fly to EWR and take our codeshare partner US Helicopter to either JRB/TSS!! Only 8 minutes and you're a
41 Flyb : How long till those folks at YEG see CO and AC code share a to IAH?
42 Pnwtraveler : True - I have never used them. I always forget about it - I am more often in Midtown. Have to try that sometime when the budget will allow.
43 CXA330300 : Anyone poised to take over the AC slots/few facilities at JFK?
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