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What Happened To AA's "luxury Jets"  
User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 220 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14054 times:

Gang, is it me or did American's jets always have the title "7xx Luxery Jet" (757, 767, etc)under the cockpit window on both the left and right sides. I just bought an AA 777 model and it didn't have it. I was mad. But when I went into airliners.net's photos, all recent photos of 75s, 76s and 77s don't have it. Did they do away with this? Or am I crazy??? Id they did away with them, it's sad, it was unique.

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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13988 times:
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They never had Luxery jets,
they did though have LUXURY LINERS.

see: http://www2.airliners.net/aviation-f...eneral_aviation/read.main/1476901/

AFAIK the 777 never carried this name.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13940 times:
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After 9-11 it was false advertising, an oxymoron if you will, like jumbo shrimp, free rent. I do believe, being serious here that it was a cost savings to remove the decals fleet wise.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13830 times:

The Luxury Jet decals were used on AA's narrowbody aircraft, while Luxury Liner decals were used on AA's widebody aircraft. According to this partial article from the Chicago Tribune, AA began removing the decals in October of 2002.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13833 times:

Didn't the decals leave the fleet with MRTC?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13764 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 3):
According to this partial article from the Chicago Tribune, AA began removing the decals in October of 2002.

That's when their service really started going down hill. I guess they didn't want to be accused of false advertising...



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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13748 times:

They removed it a while back, which is sensible given flying is no longer a luxury. Plus AA's products on their 757/767 might have been luxurious in the 80s/early 90s, but not in this day and age.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16863 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13721 times:

Kind of like Eastern's "Whisper Liners", those 727s were far from Whispering on takeoffs.


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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13525 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Kind of like Eastern's "Whisper Liners", those 727s were far from Whispering on takeoffs.

lol... That was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this thread.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13455 times:



Quoting Superhub (Reply 6):
767 might have been luxurious in the 80s/early 90s

Very much so. The leather and lambs wool F seats were great.



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13245 times:

I actually recall this very question being asked in an edition of the APFA's membership magazine shortly after 9/11.

The response from AMR management was basically what other posters have explained...

The "LuxuryLiner" titles were applied to aircaft beginning in the 1970s in the 747 era when passenger lounges, pianos, etc could be found on the aircraft. By the beginning of the 2000s, AMR management decided it was no longer an appropriate description and scrapped the "LuxuryLiner" and "LuxuryJet" titles.

Whether it saved money, I don't know. But that was basically the answer provided by AMR management.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13112 times:

They should have kept them, named planes are cool.


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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12093 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
Very much so. The leather and lambs wool F seats were great.

I remember those fondly. I remember back when I first started traveling internationally with my family, and we would often fly business. The 763s were 3 class then, and you could even occasionally get a 762 or an AB6 on an transatlantic flight.

The on board amenities kits used to come in leather book covers and the flight attendants always served warm cookies after every meal. Even on flights were the J cabin was full or just my parents were up there, often the F/A would bring a cookie back for my sister and I. It's funny, back then, seats that folded into a bed, or an advanced AVOD system were just on the drawing board, but yet it seemed even more luxurious than the finest airlines today.



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User currently offlineAvallillo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10997 times:

In truth, there has rarely ever been what would accurately be described as "Luxury" on commercial airliners, in any era. A look at the pictures of the Pan Am Boeing 314 Clippers will reveal a good deal more space but a lack of anything "Luxurious" -- in fact the appointments are rather spartan, and had to be due to weight considerations. The real Luxury was the time one gained by flying, and the aura of glamor and romance that attached to the ability to travel so far so quickly (at least in relative, 1930's terms!).

It was the conscious decision of the US Government in the late 1970's that air travel should become a form of mass transportation, affordable to all. This decision, and the changes in the travel industry that flowed from it, drove the any vestiges of luxury from the commercial airline scene, albeit at a pace slower than that which most of us in the industry originally expected. By the post 9-11 era, the presence on an airplane of a moniker like "Luxury Jet" was either oxymoronic, as some have correctly pointed out, or at best building expectations that could no longer be fulfilled. Either way, the decals went the way of the "Flagship" city and state names that once adorned the sides of the nose of every AA airplane.

Interestingly, I myself had once suggested to my employer (AA), back in the mid 1980's, that it might be better to resurrect the Flagship names instead of Luxury Jet or Liner for the exact reason stated above, along with the idea that the publicity that could accrue to the naming of airplanes with city and state names might be positive. For reasons never made clear, this was rejected. Perhaps some still remembered that, in the late 1950's, the Flagship New York had gone into the East River only weeks after it was delivered new. Who can say.

No, the only true luxury that has ever existed in the air has and still does exist in the cabins of the golden barges of the ultra rich. That A-380 that some sheik ordered as a personal plane will, no doubt, be rightly considered "Luxurious". But nothing that carries paying passengers can come close to true luxury, even in First Class. Not enough room and no gold plated faucets! Those, you see, are de rigeur for real Luxury! To say nothing of being able to avoid security, and even the crowded airports the airlines use!


User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10149 times:



Quoting Avallillo (Reply 14):
But nothing that carries paying passengers can come close to true luxury, even in First Class. Not enough room and no gold plated faucets! Those, you see, are de rigeur for real Luxury! To say nothing of being able to avoid security, and even the crowded airports the airlines use!

That's not completely true. What about the first class suites in SQ's A380's? I wouldn't mind trying those out!!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10100 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 12):
It's funny, back then, seats that folded into a bed, or an advanced AVOD system were just on the drawing board, but yet it seemed even more luxurious than the finest airlines today.

Well, they did have personal Hi8 tape players which were basically AVOD with a bit of a delay (since you had to ask the F/A for the tape).

I have an F menu from an LHR-ORD flight I took in the late 90s (I think it was 97) on a 767. Service levels have been cut back since then on this day flight. I don't think they have 6 courses for lunch anymore.

Moet and Chandon Brut Imperial
French and American reds and whites, Sanderman sherry, Graham's Malvedos Port, and Royal Tokaji "Blue"

Warm nuts and fresh veggies with dip

Sevruga Caviar and Smoked Salmon

Salad roasted vegetables chateaubriand

Lime Sorbet
Fresh breads

Entree choice:
Rack of Lamb
BBQ Chicken
Fettucine (vegetarian)
Steak Louisiana

Dessert:
Fruit and Cheese
Ice Cream Sundae
Chocolates

then

Afternoon Meal:
Marinated Chicken over spinach and arugala salad with veggies
or
Greek Pasta Salad

Fruit and fresh cookies.



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User currently offlineFlyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

Quoting DL747400 (Reply 13):
Ummmm, the Luxury ceased to exist, perhaps?

Indeed.. Price sensitive passengers have of course played a large part to this as well.. Everyone wants luxury for peanuts.. Im amazed at how many passengers expect "cruise line food service" on a flight to Mia, yet current fares from ORD are as low as $53 one way through netsAAver fares.

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

AA a/c are far from being luxurious now anyway lol


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User currently offlineAApilot2b From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

I think that AA should return to the "Flagship" names. Nothing extravagant, just "Flagship ....." may be accompanied by a small decal of that states flag next to the name. I realize this is a little more work, but its a pride thing. I think it would be cool.

User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

Names of persons, cities or states would make larger airliners (767, 330 and larger) much more interesting for spotters and the flying public. I would love to fly a Delta 777 called the "Mississippi Queen" or the "Georgia Peach". I love any plane, but most of the public find them nondescript and uninteresting. A name or saying under the cockpit window would go a long way in making air travel a bit more enjoyable. Virgin Atlantic named their 747's and I flew on a UA 744 named Bob Sampson. His name right beside the nose. Who is he anyway?

Hey US Airways, how bout a 330 named "The Pride of Massachusetts?



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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

"Luxury Liner" "Astrojet" "Whisperjet", "Pamperjet", "Funbird" now they should nickname jets after the real conditions of today.

"CrapLiner", "Bankruptcy Jet", "DirtBird", "SardineLiner", "BareBonesLiner".


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8460 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
Kind of like Eastern's "Whisper Liners", those 727s were far from Whispering on takeoffs.

Eastern called the 727 and DC-9 "Whisperjet" for their relative quietness in the cabin compared to earlier types. They called the L1011 the "Whisperliner".

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 20):
I would love to fly a Delta 777 called the "Mississippi Queen" or the "Georgia Peach".

DL's first 747-100 (in service 1970-74) was named "Georgia Belle".


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8336 times:
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Quoting Dc863 (Reply 21):

"Luxury Liner" "Astrojet" "Whisperjet", "Pamperjet", "Funbird" now they should nickname jets after the real conditions of today.

"CrapLiner", "Bankruptcy Jet", "DirtBird", "SardineLiner", "BareBonesLiner".

How about "Bitter Bird" "Angry at the world bird"



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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7948 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 23):
How about "Bitter Bird" "Angry at the world bird"

If you're referring to cabin crew attitude then absolutely.


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

I suppose they aren't too luxurious any more!


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25 Jmc1975 : AA removed the "Luxury Liner" and "Luxury Jet" decals from their planes at roughly the same time they introduced the catchy & classy slogan "Get a low
26 CodyKDiamond : I believe I heard it was due to plane crashes. DC-10's at AA were called "DC10 LuxuryLiner". After 191, it became "American Airlines LuxuryLiner" for
27 N737AA : Close........it was actually in conjunction with the removal of "more room throughout coach" seat repitch or as we called it......less room in coach.
28 Tango-Bravo : Actually, it was "Whisperjet" on Eastern's 727s (and DC-9s). Believe it or not, at the time the "Whisperjet" title was introduced, 727s and DC-9s liv
29 AirlineBrat : Or the 'Spirit of San Quentin' where you are in 'lock down' during take off, landing and when there is turbulence.
30 Fiveholer : They also used to have "Super 80" on the noses of all the MD-80s as well. When did that disappear? I do fondly remember flying ORD-LHR-ORD in the Leat
31 LH423 : Yes. Between that and the explosive depressurization over Windsor, Ontario in 1972, AA decided maybe it was best not to advertise that particular air
32 Post contains links DingDong : Ah, as far as I'm concerned, AA's luxury jets ended the day they took out the Wurlitzer electronic organ (vaguely resembled a baby grand piano), in-ai
33 DocLightning : I seem to remember that the Luxury Jets were the single-aisle a/c and the Luxury Liners were the twin-aisle models. Am I wrong?
34 RB211 : There are still a few MD-80s sporting the "Super 80' titles around DFW.
35 DocLightning : CrampLiner, CattleJet, BoredomBird? Oooh, this is fun!
36 Dc863 : LOL. Yep that's the US industry these days.
37 Post contains links Dtw9 : At least the Freightdogs still like naming their jets http://www.visitingphx.com/cargonames.html Nice site. Click on plane names page 1 or 2 and see w
38 DL747400 : By the late 1990's AA like many other majors realized that their advertising was over-promising and their product was under-delivering, so they chang
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