MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6690 times:
I recently flew JFK-TPA on B6 and noticed two DL pilots and an AA pilot in full uniform on the flight. Both AA and DL fly JFK-TPA so why would the pilots fly B6 when they can just jumpseat on their own airlines? Just curious as I didn't realize that crew would commute on an airline that has no interline agreement or partnership with their own.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6674 times:
As long as both airlines have CASS (I don't know what it stands for) pilots can fly on those airlines to get where they need to go. Maybe the schedule was convenient and they didn't want to wait around JFK for the next flight so they found the next one leaving was B6 and they just hopped on. We have a few pilots that live here in the Quad Cities and I've noticed that only a couple regularly deadhead on the one they work for. One AirTran pilot always takes DL to and from ATL despite FL having flights to MLI. Another MQ pilot flies UA a lot if Eagle is having weight issues and an OH pilot always takes UA to ORD and then continues on from there. I of course can't speak for the pilots in your case, but it might have just been the timing of the flight that worked best for them.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6646 times:
Oh Ya-
We got a ton of AA commuters on WN going DAL-STL for the AA based folks, as well as UA and AA folks flying STL-MDW too.
Most airlines have cabin jumpseat agreement for flight attendants and CASS
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2): As long as both airlines have CASS (I don't know what it stands for)
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CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 992 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6638 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): Just curious as I didn't realize that crew would commute on an airline that has no interline agreement or partnership with their own.
Many US carriers have reciprocal crew jump seat (pilots & flt attendant) travel agreements.
If empty seats are available after all other passengers have been accommodated, then they usually ride in the passenger seats. If not, then they can ride only to the extent of available jump seats. A fairly good crew perk that does not apply to ground personnel.
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6600 times:
Quoting CV880 (Reply 4): Many US carriers have reciprocal crew jump seat (pilots & flt attendant) travel agreements.
Interesting, I had no clue of such a thing. Are there any U.S. carriers not involved in this agreement?
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19717 posts, RR: 56 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6528 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 5): Are there any U.S. carriers not involved in this agreement?
I saw a list once. I couldn't find any major carrier or regional that wasn't on it.
It's a reciprocity thing - B6 helps DL and AA crews out when they need to get to/from work, and DL and AA help B6 crews out when they need to get to/from work. The airlines all figure that giving commuters as many options as possible to get to work on time is a good thing.
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Jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6461 times:
Actually, as far as the flight attendant cabin jumpseat agreement goes, it continues to be a work in progress as agreements must be struck between each respective airline. Since 9/11 as airlines have closed a number of crew bases across the U.S., the agreements have become increasingly important and beneficial for crewmembers who now face having to commute to work. Additionally, with significant capacity reductions in the domestic U.S. airline system in recent months, such agreements give commuting crewmembers a nice back-up when they are unable to commute to and from work on their own company's pass privileges.
The FAA and/or company policies preclude cabin crewmembers from riding on crew jumpseats of another carrier, so these reciprocal cabin jumpseat authority agreements allow for crewmembers to ride on another airline, provided there are seats available in the cabin. Hence, it is not uncommon to see a number of US Airways F/A's commuting between PIT and PHL on SWA, since the PIT hub was reduced and the PIT crew base was closed. Likewise, you're likely to find numerous other airline crewmembers attempting to commute to their bases in the Northeast from their homes in Florida on B6 flights.
Since better technology has allowed airlines to enhance their revenue management abilities, coupled with reduced domestic capacity, the perk of pass travel has become increasingly more difficult for airline crewmembers and airline employees as a whole. These cabin jumpseat agreements help to reduce the risk of commuting crewmembers not being able to get to their bases for trip assignments.
DELTA777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 654 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6223 times:
At JetBlue, we call our flights from IAD-FLL "the United Shuttle". There can be upwards of 15 United flight attendants and pilots jumpseating. Another interesting fact is, while its called jumpseating, few airlines actually allow OAL flight attendants to occupy a working jumpseat. Most have to take on open cabin seat.
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 948 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6186 times:
Props to B9 and its people for having a very 'open door policy' when it comes to offline jumpseating & passriding since day 1 =) . Many folks, on both sides of the cockpit door, have commented that if it were not for B9...they would not be able to keep their jobs in expensive domiciles like IAD/JFK/BOS.
Dutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6180 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 5): Are there any U.S. carriers not involved in this agreemen
At CO we (Flight Attendants) can only use the jumpseat on Continental or Continental Express (ExpressJet only) flights. Currently we have no agreements with other carriers for jumpseat use.
Josh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 325 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
I was on a DL DEN-ATL flight the other day, and an FL pilot walked on board in full uniform. That was the first I'd ever seen of that, but it's common apparently. I wonder if they like occassionally flying other airlines than their own to compare the experience against their own airline (?).
Contrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
AA and DL use us all the time. I should know, I carry up there freakin gate check bags that weigh almost as I do. Yeah, I'm bitter bout that.
PlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 904 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6033 times:
When I fly B6 from IAD-JFK return...there is always at least one UA flight attendent commuting, usually a couple of them...also saw foreign airlines as well.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6013 times:
Happens all the time, I have seen a ton of AA, UA, FL, F9, and especially just about every regional company on NW before. I know sometimes my dad jumpseats on F9 or UA to get home earlier, or if somehow the jumpseat is already taken.
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QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5955 times:
Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 7): The FAA and/or company policies preclude cabin crewmembers from riding on crew jumpseats of another carrier
No FAA rules preclude flight attendants from one airline riding another airline's jumpseat. This is purely up to the operating airline. B6 is one of the few generous carriers that allow OAL (other airline) F/As to ride their actual jumpseat. It took years for us at AA to get the airline to agree to any kind of reciprocal agreement for flight attendants. We finally succeeded with B6, and it has opened the door for agreements with DL, NW, US, OH and most recently UA. We've also had agreements in place with F9 and OO for sometime, even before B6.
The next step for us is to get AA to open up the actual jumpseat. But we're taking baby steps, and for now, we're headed in the right direction. Part of the problem at AA is that our pilots are prohibited from riding the cabin jumpseat, per the flight attendant's contract. I don't think the company wants to open the jumpseat up to OAL F/As when our own pilots can't ride the cabin jumpseat. That clause in our contract was the result of a pissing match from years ago, and in my opinion, has no place in our contract now. I have no problem w/ pilots occupying the cabin jumpseat, provided they are accommodated after any flight attendants waiting for a seat.
As for my own commute to NYC, I fly Eagle about half the time, but I also fly B6 and OH regularly as well. It all depends on schedule and open seats.
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OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5865 times:
Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 15): No FAA rules preclude flight attendants from one airline riding another airline's jumpseat.
Actually there are no FAA rule that preclude ANY airline employee from riding on a fligh attendant jumpseat. I perfect example of this is Southwest. Any employee of the company can sit in their 4th jumpseat if there are no open passenger seats, yes even a ramp agent.
I think airlines prevent any non-crew employee from taking a jumpseat because yes they can get in the way, not familiar with anything on the plane etc...
However I do think it would be agood idea for all the large airlines to get together and have a pow wow about this issue and open up the cabin jumpseats to all their flight attendants!
Av8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
Quoting OOer (Reply 17): Actually there are no FAA rule that preclude ANY airline employee from riding on a fligh attendant jumpseat. I perfect example of this is Southwest. Any employee of the company can sit in their 4th jumpseat if there are no open passenger seats, yes even a ramp agent.
I think airlines prevent any non-crew employee from taking a jumpseat because yes they can get in the way, not familiar with anything on the plane etc...
However I do think it would be agood idea for all the large airlines to get together and have a pow wow about this issue and open up the cabin jumpseats to all their flight attendants!
JetBlue allows OAL crewmembers to sit on our F/A jumpseats.
Jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5734 times:
I will echo what others have stated. If it wasn't for the generosity of Jet Blue to allow other airline employees to ride on them for no charge, we likely wouldn't be where we are today with regard to reciprocal cabin jumpseat authority, which has now become an industry-wide practice. So Jet Blue, thank you!
Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5557 times:
Doesn't only apply to passenger carriers. For example, UPS has reciprocal jump seat agreements with many airlines.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4750 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter): I recently flew JFK-TPA on B6 and noticed two DL pilots
and an AA pilot in full uniform on the flight.
Maybe because American only offers one flight a day, Delta offers two...and jetBlue offer several it was there only ride home. Happens all the time
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Av8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Quoting Jkudall (Reply 20): Doesn't only apply to passenger carriers. For example, UPS has reciprocal jump seat agreements with many airlines.
Very good point. I ride UPS and FEDEX at least once a year, and they are fantastic. Especially nice during the holidays when all of the airlines are jam packed.
Inthesky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4270 times:
Continental is really the only carrier that doesn't have jumpseat agreements with others (for Flight Attendants).
Contrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4272 times:
Fedex uses us all the time and on the flip side I get 75% off anything I ship using Fedex, its just too bad I never ship anything.
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25 Evan767: What's it like to commute on Fedex or UPS? I assume you don't board out of a pax terminal. You have to go to the hangar and walk up the stairs to the
26 Jeffinbwi: WN Flight Attendants can cabin ride on almost every US airline except CO. Other airline FA's are not allowed to sit in the 4th jumpseat. Any WN employ
27 NorthstarBoy: I can't vouch for UPS, but with Fedex, i understand that on the widebodies there are some jumpseats behind the cockpit, ie between door one and the c
28 Atrude777: Oh Man Jeff, I remember those days haha. I had to ride 4th once STL-PHX leaving at 6am. TWICE. I wasn't a cabin crew, but I was a CSA and had to get
29 Pilotpip: I'd much rather take that "inconvenience" after a long four day in exchange for getting on the flight and not dealing with stupid passenger comments.
30 QQflyboy: I had a feeling I was going to forget an airline when I compiled a list, and sure enough I forgot the airline I use the second most: WN. AA has agree
31 Apodino: Not quite true, Airline Dispatchers are also included in the CASS program but not every airline participates with Dispatchers, but more and more do.
32 Us330: Whenever I've flown DFW-LGA (about 6 times a year), I've seen several other airlines crew members on the flight, the most common being JetBlue, Eagle,
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