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Air Tahiti Nui Pulls The Plug On JFK Route!  
User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8570 times:
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Ia Orana all !

After years of criticism towards the launch of this route, Air Tahiti Nui has finally decided to stop flying to JFK.
They were supposed to start flying back to New York from the 15th of june 2009 and close it for the winter on the 15th of october 2009. It was decided recently by the CEO Christian Vernaudon and the board of directors that seeing how badly tha aviation industry was doing and how badly hit TN was, they needed to shut down the route along with the SYD and KIX route which was closed recently.
Air Tahiti Nui will only fly to LAX, CDG, NRT and AKL but they will keep all 5 Airbus in the fleet so as to be ready for the summer season !
They will not renew any of the temporary contracts and 50 flight attendants who have a temp job will not be renewed when their contract expires.
TN will codeshare with QF and NZ for flights to and from SYD via AKL. JAL and other asian airlines have been approached for cooperation in order to bring in the passengers at NRT.
Also a partnership with AF and DL is in the pipeline for CDG and LAX.
Air Tahiti Nui has finally realised that they can not be a stand alone carrier or take on the world. Such a small niche carrier NEEDS the help of bigger mega carriers such as QF, DL, JL or AF.
No mention of a skyTEAM partnership in the newspaper article.

http://www.tahitipresse.pf/index.cfm?snav=see&presse=26612


Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew


Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

That's a shame - I flew with them r/trip between JFK and SYD back in September - transiting in PPT was so much easier than LAX or SFO!! Also, really enjoyed the in-flight service and product.

User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

So, I guess TN won't be coming to Las Vegas. But, I already knew that..


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Which A340's do they operate?

Will they just let aircraft sit on the ground instead of using them to JFK?

How many frequencies do they currently operate to JFK?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6862 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
Which A340's do they operate?

They operate 5 A340-313X's.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
How many frequencies do they currently operate to JFK?

At the moment, none. They were running a seasonal operation at JFK with either 2 or 3 weekly flights.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

Supposely Air Tahiti and Qantas haven't done well on their JFK ventures, just like some European carriers haven't done well on LAX.

User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

I guess it was expected...any timeframe on when they expect to have a cooperation agreement in place with JL, DL, and AF? It would be a shame if they can't fill those beautiful A343's...at least they keep them clean unlike other airlines which I won't mention! (although I guess it's easier to keep a plane clean if you are not using it...  duck  )

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5792 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
Qantas haven't done well on their JFK ventures

Qantas was once at 5 weekly flights but I believe is now operating this route daily. It may not be such a successful route in terms of passenger loads but I've heard its a big cargo money maker. It's a shame they aren't able to sell tickets between JFK and LAX.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8248 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5742 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
Which A340's do they operate?

5 A340-300X's. They were looking at a A340-500 but that never happened, PPT to Paris is a hell of a LONG way.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5699 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
PPT to Paris is a hell of a LONG way.

They fly PPT to CDG with a stop in LAX.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5671 times:
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Keeping five A343 for only 3 routes... that won't help in terms of operational profitability... !!


FB.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17278 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5651 times:

The route never had a chance, but it was cool to see TN at JFK.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
Qantas haven't done well on their JFK ventures

QF just has to cover the variable costs on the LAX/JFK/LAX leg, since the aircraft time is essentially free. If they make $1 more than they would leaving the plane on the ground in LAX, they're ahead of the game.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5551 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
QF just has to cover the variable costs on the LAX/JFK/LAX leg, since the aircraft time is essentially free. If they make $1 more than they would leaving the plane on the ground in LAX, they're ahead of the game.

Sure but that LAX ground time could be put to good use. Instead of having the aircraft constantly flying, it could rest in LAX for a little over 12 hours while maintenance crews and cleaning crews upkeep the aging 747's. This would most likely work to the benefit of Qantas in customer service aspects as well as maintenance aspects rather than making a buck on a 5000 mile journey while the plane gets worn down.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5525 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
Sure but that LAX ground time could be put to good use.

On any given day at LAX Qantas has at least four or five aircraft parked on the ramp for 12 hours of the day. One aircraft being sent across the coast is being put to good use.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5227 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Keeping five A343 for only 3 routes... that won't help in terms of operational profitability... !!

They don't care about profitability ! ATN never made a single € profit since it was created. ATN is a typical "political" airline. They survived all along those years thanks to subsidies and public money "invested" from the local "Government".


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Didn't they always do badly on this route???


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5283 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5178 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 15):
Didn't they always do badly on this route???

Very badly. I am very surprised that they can't make SYD work either. But this is TN after all. Their primary goal should be to bring Tourists from SYD, AKL to PPT and onto LAX. I myself think TN should drop CDG aswell though that and AF flying to PPT I've heard does quite well.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24710 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5173 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 15):
Didn't they always do badly on this route???

Yes extremely -

Load factors per DOT

Jan07 - 47.7%
Feb07 - 46.1%
Mar07 - 32.2%
Apr07 - 43.3%
May07 - 48.6%
Jun07 - 60.8%
Jul07 - 69.2%
Aug07 - 67.3%
Sep07 - 61.7%
Oct07 - 43.3%

May08 - 64.9%
Jun08 - 51.5%
Jul08 - 46.6%



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Why Skyteam? I would think that One World would be better. Feed from Qantas in Australia NZ area, plus CX and JL in Asia from NRT and AA at LAX.

AA can even code share with PT on the LAX-CDG route. PT can even codeshare with BA or AA on the LAX-LHR route and beyond.



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4843 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):


Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 15):
Didn't they always do badly on this route???

Yes extremely -

Load factors per DOT

Jan07 - 47.7%
Feb07 - 46.1%
Mar07 - 32.2%
Apr07 - 43.3%
May07 - 48.6%
Jun07 - 60.8%
Jul07 - 69.2%
Aug07 - 67.3%
Sep07 - 61.7%
Oct07 - 43.3%

So one would have to think how the hell did they last this long????????

May08 - 64.9%
Jun08 - 51.5%
Jul08 - 46.6%




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User currently offlineEd1984 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

actually...TN did make a profit in 2003 and 2004.

User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

This may help Qantas JFK-LAX leg, since they codeshare on the LAX-NAN, not to mention reduce competition.

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

I always thought QF did well on JFK-LAX, thanks to cargo in the belly

-A



What now?
User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4410 times:

So QF has cargo rights LAX-JFK-LAX but not the passenger rights?

User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4337 times:

I meant in terms of passengers.

25 Enilria : Surely they will lease them out, but who knows. I look at them like I look at Air Jamaica. They have no chance of ever making money, but is that real
26 FlySSC : The problem is that those passengers "who spend $3000 while they are there would go there anyway, with or without ATN ... ATN did bring any "new" vis
27 LAXintl : French Polynesia created a catch-22 situation for itself with ATN. Their wish was to have greater control of their air transportation links. But to fo
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