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When Did Conviasa Quit Middle East?  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5839 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Amadeus are not showing any flights of Conviasa to Damascus and Tehran, but both cities are listed at their website, have they stopped flying to the region.

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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3240 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4877 times:

A trip report was recently issued about this route so I would imagine it is still going. Has this route been on Amadeus before? Are there any embargoes which could prevent this route being listed?

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4865 times:



Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Amadeus are not showing any flights of Conviasa to Damascus and Tehran, but both cities are listed at their website, have they stopped flying to the region.

I do think V0 and Amadeus are having a bit of a "problem".

CCS-DAM-THR is still flown 1x weekly with A340.

Saludos.



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4832 times:

I saw the A340 departing today to DAM punctually at 16:20 Venezuela Local Time. They are currently flying the route once a week departing on saturdays and arriving on tuesdays.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Amadeus is still showing the route.

AN7FEBCCSTHR
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** THR TEHRAN.IR 7 SA 07FEB 0000
1V0:IR 745 C9 I6 Y9 QR N9 /CCS IKA 330P 400P+1 1/340 16:30
2 V03006 J9 D9 Y9 B9 H9 M1 K9 /CCS IKA 330P 400P+1 1/340 16:30
Q9 S5 Z9

maybe you did look the whole week,

It is a Codeshare with IR.

Rgds,

TBYO747


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

What is the connection between the two areas as mentioned in the trip report which I just read and missed somehow? Trip report mentioned only 24pax on the flight, so, guessing not the bread and butter.

User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Does anyone know what the crew schedule is like on these flights?

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Anybody have the loads for this weekly flight??/

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4532 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 9):
Anybody have the loads for this weekly flight??/

You're asking for the loads of a Venezuelan State-owned airline flying to Damascus and Tehran....100% of course! hehe

Those figures will be VERY hard if not impossible to come by.

AA1818



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1858 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4527 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 10):
You're asking for the loads of a Venezuelan State-owned airline flying to Damascus and Tehran....100% of course! hehe

Those figures will be VERY hard if not impossible to come by.

Why would it be impossible? Anyone working the travel industry or that is familiar with DAM or THR can suggest the load factor. I dont see what is funny here?



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User currently offlineRleiro From Venezuela, joined Jan 2006, 499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

I can tell you that the flight on Jan 20th was a fully loaded one (THR - DAM - CCS). I saw the flight arriving to CCS at night as it was delayed for some hours and immigration area was crowded with the passengers fromthis flight. I don't really know how are the general load factors of the flight as this info is not disclosed by Conviasa, as well as details on the crew scheduling.

Saludos,

Roberto.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Pity this isn't flown with a Tu-154 via TIP so that the Axis of Evil would be complete...

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
Why would it be impossible? Anyone working the travel industry or that is familiar with DAM or THR can suggest the load factor. I dont see what is funny here?

It's not like Conviasa prints its information frequently for the public to see, and it's not like many a.netters fly regularly on the route.

I suppose this route primarily exists for political purposes?


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4397 times:
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Quoting Directorguy (Reply 11):
I suppose this route primarily exists for political purposes?

You guess ????  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin  biggrin   biggrin 

I'm pretty sure !!!  biggrin   biggrin 



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4388 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
Why would it be impossible? Anyone working the travel industry or that is familiar with DAM or THR can suggest the load factor. I dont see what is funny here?

The flight exists for political purposes and if no one wanted to fly i'm sure Chavez would put 100 soldiers on the flight and say "here, go spend a day and come back!" hehe So we may never actually know what the true loads are like- people legitimately flying the route to transact business or for holiday or visit relatives.

De-cork a little too! Sometimes humour isn't a bad thing!

AA1818



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4382 times:
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Quoting Trintocan (Reply 1):
A trip report was recently issued about this route so I would imagine it is still going. Has this route been on Amadeus before?

I can find a trip report DAMASCUS-CARACAS, but with IR's 74L.

Can anyone provide me with the link of the Conviasa one ?



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

I also remember reading the IR trip report...one of the first a.net reports I ever read!

Could CCS-DAM-THR be viable? I mean, that route must be extremely limited, especially if Conviasa lacks onward IR connections from THR (to the Gulf, Asia or even Europe).


User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4284 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 15):
Could CCS-DAM-THR be viable? I mean, that route must be extremely limited, especially if Conviasa lacks onward IR connections from THR (to the Gulf, Asia or even Europe).

No. This route is a purely politically motivated route. I'd imagine that routing the flight over Beirut instead of Damascus would marginally improve numbers, but then again profits might not be what they are after.

Also, if you consider the drop in oil prices and the softening of the economy, (even Ahmadinejad admitted the economy was suffering... that says a LOT), this route might be uneconomic for these two oil producing states to run. Iran's budget, IIRC, planned on 70ish dollar a barrel oil, not 40-50. Iran is going to have a hard time keeping people "happy" when consumer prices skyrocket more than they already have.

If you wanted to fly to the Gulf from Venezuela, you'd fly Lufthansa via Frankfurt or another European hub. Tehran is out of the way if you're trying to fly to the Gulf, but a good place to connect to Central Asia, another major oil and gas producing region.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25737 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Here is a Conviasa trip report CCS-DAM. Flight had a whole 24 people onboard.  Yeah sure
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/141799/



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4176 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 13):
The flight exists for political purposes and if no one wanted to fly i'm sure Chavez would put 100 soldiers on the flight and say "here, go spend a day and come back

I'm afraid you're correct. At least he had the decency to drop it to once a week. Can you imagine flying the route 4X week with 20 passengers on board??

.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4070 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 18):
I'm afraid you're correct. At least he had the decency to drop it to once a week. Can you imagine flying the route 4X week with 20 passengers on board??

You mean 5 people per flight?

Quoting Elmothehobo (Reply 16):
If you wanted to fly to the Gulf from Venezuela, you'd fly Lufthansa via Frankfurt or another European hub. Tehran is out of the way if you're trying to fly to the Gulf, but a good place to connect to Central Asia, another major oil and gas producing region.

That's what most people would do-Tehran Air/Conviasa via THR aren't exactly your average traveller's favourite hub.
Still, I asked the obvious (is this route making money) just for discussion's sake-perhaps Venezuala was sending military/technical personal to Iran, or vice versa, which would then make the route somewhat more worthwhile.
But if the route exists purely because it looks good on paper than that says a lot about the attitudes of both countries, esp. with regards to aviaion. In 2007, some 8m pax travelled through CCS (a lot on domestic flights). Conviasa fails to capture even the smallest margin on the international market.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4029 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 19):
Still, I asked the obvious (is this route making money) just for discussion's sake-perhaps Venezuala was sending military/technical personal to Iran, or vice versa, which would then make the route somewhat more worthwhile.
But if the route exists purely because it looks good on paper than that says a lot about the attitudes of both countries, esp. with regards to aviaion. In 2007, some 8m pax travelled through CCS (a lot on domestic flights). Conviasa fails to capture even the smallest margin on the international market.

An educated guess would lead me to believe NO. I would even go so far as to to say it could never because the Gov't probably has to subsidize tickets on flights. I would say that Chavez views it as money well spent if it pisses off the Americans, which to him is worth a lot more than what it's costing him to run his flight to Iran.

AA1818



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5839 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Why dont they fly to Europe and have onward connections from there, just Madrid would be sufficient.

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