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AA 737-800 Returns To ORD April 7  
User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

It looks like the 737-800 will make it's return to AA at ORD on April 7. Two of the daily MSP and LAX flights will be operated by the 738 which is a welcome return. Can't wait to see more 738's on other ORD flights!


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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2726 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Who knows if this will be short lived. If you look further into June, ORD-LAX is back to MD80s. This could be because they have used that as a base aircraft for that route and will possibly change it later.
I was interested in seeing if AA will move 738 equipment into noise-impacted SAN. But, in April no luck (there are a few 757's to DFW, however). In June it shows all MD80s on SAN-DFW and SAN-ORD.
Maybe someday AA will take the loudest aircraft in CA and move them from the noise impacted airports of SAN, BUR, SJC. I'm still waiting for AA to become a good neighbor.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Interesting to see at this time, the 738 will be only assigned to two routes. MSP is a bit surprising. Also worth noting is that LAX will be only 2x daily, while MSP just 1x.

One would think if AA was keen on bringing newer 738s to ORD to replace MD-80s, we'd see SFO, SEA, MIA, and LGA. Instead, the aircraft will likely fill very little, if any role at ORD until oil is up to $150-200 a barrel.



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User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6553 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 1):
Who knows if this will be short lived. If you look further into June, ORD-LAX is back to MD80s.

This is probably because SABRE is not updated for June.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 2):
Interesting to see at this time, the 738 will be only assigned to two routes. MSP is a bit surprising. Also worth noting is that LAX will be only 2x daily, while MSP just 1x.

There are 2 daily LAX and MSP flights that will be operated by the 738.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 2):
One would think if AA was keen on bringing newer 738s to ORD to replace MD-80s, we'd see SFO, SEA, MIA, and LGA. Instead, the aircraft will likely fill very little, if any role at ORD until oil is up to $150-200 a barrel.

I would expect other routes to show up as well as delivery of the new 738's begin. Remember there are 76 737-800's on order to be delivered in 2009 and 2010.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5940 times:



Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 3):
There are 2 daily LAX and MSP flights that will be operated by the 738.

I swear I saw 1x daily for MSP last night on the spring 09 timetable. Anyway,.. still not many flights.

Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 3):
I would expect other routes to show up as well as delivery of the new 738's begin. Remember there are 76 737-800's on order to be delivered in 2009 and 2010

We will have to wait and see. Inevitably 738 flying will pick up at ORD as the MD-80 is phased out, but that may be years down the road. But in the nearterm, I'm not so sure the added expense of equipment/crew bases at ORD outweigh the savings while oil is cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if the 738s disappeared once again from ORD, before returning again to ultimately replace the Mad Dogs.

Remember, a good portion of the new 738s have been delivered, and MD-80s are not being replaced one for one at this time. Therefore one would think the 738 would hit a few markets all at once out of ORD with routes I stated above.



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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 611 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

The other frequency I believe does a rotation with DEN and PHL, or something similar.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

The B738 will also operate a daily ORD-FLL-ORD turn beginning May 1st.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5288 times:
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):

We will have to wait and see. Inevitably 738 flying will pick up at ORD as the MD-80 is phased out, but that may be years down the road. But in the nearterm, I'm not so sure the added expense of equipment/crew bases at ORD outweigh the savings while oil is cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if the 738s disappeared once again from ORD, before returning again to ultimately replace the Mad Dogs.

Remember, a good portion of the new 738s have been delivered, and MD-80s are not being replaced one for one at this time. Therefore

What? Our AA experts have shared with us that they were told internally, they were re-opening the 737 base @ ORD as they will begin to phase out the MD80s in particular, west coast flights at first and replace them with the 738s. This will take some time to do, but once it starts, I might be open to flying them again to O'Hare.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5244 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
Remember, a good portion of the new 738s have been delivered, and MD-80s are not being replaced one for one at this time. Therefore one would think the 738 would hit a few markets all at once out of ORD with routes I stated above.

They haven't had any delivered yet IIRC.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6646 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

I am guessing that DFW will probably get the most out of AA's new 738s. While AA will be introducing the 738 back at ORD, DFW already has a sizeable AA 738 operation, second only to MIA. Some of the DFW-Northeast routes may be shifted to 738s eventually.


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4749 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 7):
What? Our AA experts have shared with us that they were told internally, they were re-opening the 737 base @ ORD as they will begin to phase out the MD80s in particular, west coast flights at first and replace them with the 738s. This will take some time to do, but once it starts, I might be open to flying them again to O'Hare.

If you re-read my post, you'll see I'm not disagreeing with that statement. As I said, it's inevitable, and as you said, it will take some time to do. Bottom line, I expect the MD-80 to remain the narrowbody workhorse for AA out of ORD for at least another half decade, with the 738 over time taking the long sectors once done by MD-83s.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):
They haven't had any delivered yet IIRC.

My mistake, I thought deliveries already began.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
I am guessing that DFW will probably get the most out of AA's new 738s.

That is what I predict as well.



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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

From a pure dollars and cents standpoint, it makes the most sense to switch the 738's to

a) the longest MD80 routes, thereby minimizing fuel costs
b) to make more cities "no S80" ala Miami to minimize spares costs. SNA is a good candidate.

I expect the following to become all/or primarially 738:

ORD-LAX/SEA/SFO/SAN/SNA/PDX/LAS/SJD

DFW-LGA/BOS/DCA/IAD/SEA/SNA/SAN/FLL/PBI/TPA

I expect the following to loose MD80 service once deliveries are complete:

SFO
SEA
PDX
SNA
FLL
MCO


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
Remember, a good portion of the new 738s have been delivered, and MD-80s are not being replaced one for one at this time.

First new delivery 738s arrive in March. 2 in March, 2 in April, 3 per month after that.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 4):
I wouldn't be surprised if the 738s disappeared once again from ORD, before returning again to ultimately replace the Mad Dogs.

It is extremely expensive to open a new pilot crew base/equipment and even more so to close one. As seen in the Pilot Forecasts (below), AA is opening ORD 737 pilot crew base/equipment in April. It will not be closing it anytime soon.

While pilot job forecasts are never real accurate after the day they are published, they do provide a good idea of what's being considered. Interesting to note that the majority of the increases are ORD & LAX domestic (D) positions.... which supports the notion that the majority of "new" 738 flying will be ORD-west coast (primarily).

April 2009 CA 737 I / D
DCA...... 0 / 31
.. -BWI... 7 / 0
.. -IAD...14 / 2
DFW.... 47 / 85
LAX....... 0 / 47
.. -SNA.. 0 / 26
MIA....127 / 104
.. -FLL... 4 / 0
ORD..... 0 / 12

June 2009 CA 737 I / D
DCA...... 17 / 22
.. -BWI... 4 / 6
.. -IAD... 0 / 7
DFW.... 43 / 84
LAX....... 0 / 69
.. -SNA.. 0 / 26
MIA....137 / 95
.. -FLL... 6 / 5
ORD..... 0 / 23



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4436 times:



Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 11):
I expect the following to loose MD80 service once deliveries are complete:

SFO
SEA
PDX
SNA
FLL
MCO

Currently the only AA service at SNA is 738s to DFW and 752s to ORD. We "lost" use of one gate for at least the next couple of years while the county builds a new south end of the terminal.



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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4341 times:



Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 11):
From a pure dollars and cents standpoint, it makes the most sense to switch the 738's to

a) the longest MD80 routes, thereby minimizing fuel costs
b) to make more cities "no S80" ala Miami to minimize spares costs. SNA is a good candidate.

I expect the following to become all/or primarially 738:

ORD-LAX/SEA/SFO/SAN/SNA/PDX/LAS/SJD

DFW-LGA/BOS/DCA/IAD/SEA/SNA/SAN/FLL/PBI/TPA

I expect the following to loose MD80 service once deliveries are complete:

SFO
SEA
PDX
SNA
FLL
MCO

This is the probable scenario. They will augment the redepoyment of the 757 to A300 flying out of MIA and JFK so this will open up x752 flying to the new 738 deliveries.

In keeping in tune with the simplification efforts many of the spokes will be swapped to like equipment. After the redeployment of the 752 is complete you should see the 738 fill the S80 void. Until then the S80 flying will not be backfilled (directly anyway).

Until then the 738 will replace the S80 when it makes sense to narrow the number of fleets operating at a given station. I would expect to see the spokes be first from a given hub. The mixed fleets should only be at the hubs.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4301 times:
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Granted the MD80's are fuel hogs, im sure AA will see fuel savings when they use the 738's that land on the new runway and give the passengers the 'tour of Illinois'

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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4225 times:



Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 11):
DFW-LGA/BOS/DCA/IAD/SEA/SNA/SAN/FLL/PBI/TPA

Disagree on this. DFW-TPA was once a good mix of 2-3 738 and 5-6 MD-80, and the lastest schedule revision shows 7x MD-80 1x 738. I do wonder if ORD-TPA will move to 738, but there must be soft demand, as this is the first time in years that route is 2x daily instead of 3x or even 4x back a few years.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4192 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10):
Bottom line, I expect the MD-80 to remain the narrowbody workhorse for AA out of ORD for at least another half decade, with the 738 over time taking the long sectors once done by MD-83s.

 checkmark 

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 11):
DFW-LGA/BOS/DCA/IAD/SEA/SNA/SAN/FLL/PBI/TPA

FWIW, DFW-BDL is already all 738, and since ORD is all MQ, BDL is M80 free.

One thing that will be interesting to see is at what point the 738s come to STL. Several stations that have been discussed here as going all-738 have M80 service to STL (LAX, SFO, SEA, FLL if it returns). From a pure distance perspective, STL-west coast should be the next priority after ORD-west coast.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

One route that needs to be 738 badly is DFW-YYC. If I were AA, I would also consider putting 738's on DFW-YVR so that they could free up the 757's to replace some A300 flying.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4144 times:



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I was interested in seeing if AA will move 738 equipment into noise-impacted SAN.

SAN has a complete and total take-off curfew from 11:30 PM to 6:30 AM daily. Landings are unrestricted. As for "noise" restrictions, we have 727's and DC-10's roaring off our runways daily, so noise isn't an issue.

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SAN Take-off Restrictions


The only restrictions on noise are at night as can be seen in this picture.

I wish there were certain exemptions to this rule - it would be great to have red-eye flights from SAN to IAH, DFW, MSP, and ORD (that arrives after 4:30 AM!!).



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4050 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Several stations that have been discussed here as going all-738 have M80 service to STL (LAX, SFO, SEA, FLL if it returns).

I would like to see AA bring back STL-FLL in the future. However it seems as though AA will cut capacity at FLL and they prefer to route most connecting pax at FLL through DFW. AA currently has 2 daily MD-80 flights to ORD, and AA will only operate the 738 on the ORD-FLL-ORD route from May 1st to June 10th. During the summer, ORD-FLL-ORD will operate 1x daily (MD-80). DFW-FLL-DFW will operate 5x daily, (3 MD-80, 2 738), along with daily services between FLL and KIN, PAP, and SJO, (all 738 operated). No more 752s at FLL.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
I would also consider putting 738's on DFW-YVR so that they could free up the 757's to replace some A300 flying.

I think the B752 should stay on the route. Its usually full of cruiseship pax during the summer.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3981 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
I think the B752 should stay on the route. Its usually full of cruiseship pax during the summer.

Yes, but in the winter the 738's would be perfect. The 757's still go out full, I think they might be a better fit from MIA/JFK-Latin America during the winter. If I were AA, I would run 2x DFW-YVR in the winter and 3x DFW-YVR in the summer.

Right now out of DFW, only SNA and BDL are all 738.

More detailed, I think the following routes could be more than half 738's:

DFW-SEA/DCA/BOS/LGA/PDX/YYC/SFO/SAN
ORD-LAX/SFO/SAN/SEA

I might be off, its just a guess. But thats whats in my crystal ball.  Wink



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3925 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
Yes, but in the winter the 738's would be perfect. The 757's still go out full, I think they might be a better fit from MIA/JFK-Latin America during the winter. If I were AA, I would run 2x DFW-YVR in the winter and 3x DFW-YVR in the summer.

Yes, AA will need the 752s at MIA; however some routes will most likely operate with a mix of a/c. AA could also operate DFW-YVR with a mix of a/c if they choose too. However, they should keep the 752 on the route at least daily year-round. AA has already pulled the 752s off of FLL-PAP, MIA-STX, MIA-SXM, which all are now 738 operated, and MIA-CUN will soon follow. AA will also fly MIA-SJU 2x daily (738), along with the other MIA-SJU flights; MIA-LAX will soon have 2 daily 738 services, instead of one, (along with 5 other daily flights).


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3919 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
However, they should keep the 752 on the route at least daily year-round

Yeah, I suppose that could be a good option too. The biggest priority for Canada flying should be getting 738's on DFW-YYC for now.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3772 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
The biggest priority for Canada flying should be getting 738's on DFW-YYC for now.

 checkmark I think DFW-YYC is the longest S80 route at DFW, and there are not many routes longer than it. With DFW already seeing many 738s, I suspect we'll see the 738 on DFW-YYC sooner rather than later.



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